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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers. (18 Viewers)

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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That's an interesting topic. Why do these Doctors and Nurses kill?
It wasn't out of mercy. But just killing. Why?.I don't put "Dr. Kevorkian" in this category. I truly feel he thought he was giving them mercy and had no malice.

It's odd to me that as pet owners we'll put our pets down when life becomes to painful and difficult for them. Then when we get into a situation like that it's deemed murder. When they take someone off life support they'll remove the feeding tube, IIRC. Then they just starve to death. Just put them out of their misery.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with money at all. I don't see how it could. It cost money to keep them alive. It is the appeals which is ridiculous. Some end up dying of natural causes before death can be carried out. Their victims didn't get appeals. Really makes me angry.

It costs more to put someone to death than incarcerate them for years. One thing that's good about the DP is that the case is gone over with a fine toothed comb. Prisoners sentenced to life don't get the same scrutiny.

The death penalty can also be used as a bargaining chip to help a perp decide to plead guilty and give up where the bodies are.

Unfortunately, it's been applied to blacks much more than whites. There have been over two dozen cases where it's been proven they got the wrong guy after he was dead. When DNA became widely available A LOT of death row inmates and other prisoners were set free.

Overall, I'm conflicted. If Jodi Arias had been given the death penalty I wouldn't lose any sleep.
 
There are nurses that will kill patients and when they're found out they're fired, but the cops aren't called. Hospitals don't like bad press. So the nurses go on to another hospital and the former hospital can only confirm their dates of employment. I've seen at least two shows about this. There is a character on this seasons Fargo that is one of those.
Scary. It doesn't surprise me though, what does surprise me is that another staff member or two doesn't raise the alarm, even if they have to do it anonymously. We think of most in the medical profession as being ethical... I wonder where that last happened anywhere? Because I would like to think nowadays if that happened, with the internet, we'd all help get it out there in the open if there was a hint of such a thing, kind of like what has happened with Fort Hood, calling attention to it.

It's not serial killer related, but similar things happen with teachers, cops, etc. They end up being forced to maybe quietly resign over something and they just end up teaching or working somewhere else... It is so outrageous that they just pass the buck and let the problem continue.
 
It's odd to me that as pet owners we'll put our pets down when life becomes to painful and difficult for them. Then when we get into a situation like that it's deemed murder. When they take someone off life support they'll remove the feeding tube, IIRC. Then they just starve to death. Just put them out of their misery.
I agree. It's a controversial subject though, some hang onto hope well past where others would and do not want a plug to be pulled and others do.

With Kevorkian, though, it was the person deciding for themselves. I don't judge it, all make their own decisions but I could not assist as he did as I am not sure I feel I have that right. It would be a tough call, say if a friend begged you to help them die.

I'm with Mel in that I don't class Kevorkian as a serial killer, his "case" is in an entirely different ballpark.
 
It costs more to put someone to death than incarcerate them for years. One thing that's good about the DP is that the case is gone over with a fine toothed comb. Prisoners sentenced to life don't get the same scrutiny.

The death penalty can also be used as a bargaining chip to help a perp decide to plead guilty and give up where the bodies are.

Unfortunately, it's been applied to blacks much more than whites. There have been over two dozen cases where it's been proven they got the wrong guy after he was dead. When DNA became widely available A LOT of death row inmates and other prisoners were set free.

Overall, I'm conflicted. If Jodi Arias had been given the death penalty I wouldn't lose any sleep.
Wrongful convictions are horrid whether the death penalty or someone losing their freedom for years in prison and it is downright awful that it happens.

I agree with you on the death penalty with often working as a bargaining chip or did when a state's death penalty had any teeth to it (so many don't these days) but even then I have seen it work as a deterrent as the perp is concerned if sentenced to death, the day could come the death penalty does have teeth again, a change in governor, a change in attitudes and opinions... Where I have seen it work though is usually a perp who knows their goose is cooked, the evidence is there and they are not beating at least a life sentence if not death, then they may deal.
 
Anyone else have these feelings/ thoughts?

I find it strange and interesting that there are killers who I find myself empathizing with, feeling sorry for, or in the least, I don't see them as being evil and sinister, although they have done extremely sinister acts. Two that come to mind are Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Body Snatcher / "The Plainfeild Ghoul"
The case of Ed Gein is an interesting one to discuss. He made clothing, furniture, kitchenware, lots of 'stuff', out of human skin and bones! To name a few for those who may be unfamiliar with the case, he had a nipple belt, a box full of vulva's, a skin chair, and a body (skin) suit made out from a woman's corpse!!
He confessed killing two women Mary Hogan in 1954, and Bernice Worden in 1957, however, it was imamissable in court because the sheriff at the time used excessive force to coerce the confession. He slammed Ed's head and face into a brick wall. He was also suspected suspected of killing his brother and mother.


"The Milwaukee Cannibal"
The case of Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting because he killed out of admiration rather than abhorance. Many times with serial killers we see (1) a deep seeded hate or disgust for their victims (2) a need to dominate or control (3) and/or a sexual desire. While the last two could be attributed to Dahmer's M.O., what in the world created the desire for him to eat them!?!? I've heard his explanation, but it still doesn't satisfy my curiosity.

I curious to hear you'lls thoughts before I elaborate further :).


 
Anyone else have these feelings/ thoughts?

I find it strange and interesting that there are killers who I find myself empathizing with, feeling sorry for, or in the least, I don't see them as being evil and sinister, although they have done extremely sinister acts. Two that come to mind are Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Body Snatcher / "The Plainfeild Ghoul"
The case of Ed Gein is an interesting one to discuss. He made clothing, furniture, kitchenware, lots of 'stuff', out of human skin and bones! To name a few for those who may be unfamiliar with the case, he had a nipple belt, a box full of vulva's, a skin chair, and a body (skin) suit made out from a woman's corpse!!
He confessed killing two women Mary Hogan in 1954, and Bernice Worden in 1957, however, it was imamissable in court because the sheriff at the time used excessive force to coerce the confession. He slammed Ed's head and face into a brick wall. He was also suspected suspected of killing his brother and mother.


"The Milwaukee Cannibal"
The case of Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting because he killed out of admiration rather than abhorance. Many times with serial killers we see (1) a deep seeded hate or disgust for their victims (2) a need to dominate or control (3) and/or a sexual desire. While the last two could be attributed to Dahmer's M.O., what in the world created the desire for him to eat them!?!? I've heard his explanation, but it still doesn't satisfy my curiosity.

I curious to hear you'lls thoughts before I elaborate further :).


Personally, I have no sympathy for them at that point. They seem to all know what they're doing is wrong, or they wouldn't cover it up. I feel horrible for their families! Just horrible. The families of the murdered and the serial killer.

I appreciate what you're saying, believe me. I do believe that God loves them as much as He loves me, though I do not understand it.
 
Anyone else have these feelings/ thoughts?

I find it strange and interesting that there are killers who I find myself empathizing with, feeling sorry for, or in the least, I don't see them as being evil and sinister, although they have done extremely sinister acts. Two that come to mind are Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Body Snatcher / "The Plainfeild Ghoul"
The case of Ed Gein is an interesting one to discuss. He made clothing, furniture, kitchenware, lots of 'stuff', out of human skin and bones! To name a few for those who may be unfamiliar with the case, he had a nipple belt, a box full of vulva's, a skin chair, and a body (skin) suit made out from a woman's corpse!!
He confessed killing two women Mary Hogan in 1954, and Bernice Worden in 1957, however, it was imamissable in court because the sheriff at the time used excessive force to coerce the confession. He slammed Ed's head and face into a brick wall. He was also suspected suspected of killing his brother and mother.


"The Milwaukee Cannibal"
The case of Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting because he killed out of admiration rather than abhorance. Many times with serial killers we see (1) a deep seeded hate or disgust for their victims (2) a need to dominate or control (3) and/or a sexual desire. While the last two could be attributed to Dahmer's M.O., what in the world created the desire for him to eat them!?!? I've heard his explanation, but it still doesn't satisfy my curiosity.

I curious to hear you'lls thoughts before I elaborate further :).


You sure put out a thought that is discussion worthy and not a typical feeling. I do get what you mean though. They are a bit different than some other serial killers.

I would not say I have any empathy or sympathy for them. Nor even feel much sorrow for them. I maybe could at some earlier point in their lives or before they continued doing as they did, like with Dahmer. I think most of us have it in us to control ourselves although that can be untrue when it comes to addictions or anger with many, etc. When it comes though to doing something to harm others like this, not so much, most of us would never cross that line other than in self defense or saving our own or a loved one's life. Even if some sick addiction of something that manifests in them, they do try to hide it and lie and get away with it and they KNOW it is not the norm or acceptable. Even a heroin addict is doing an illegal substance but can still find another 100 heroin addicts to hang with, etc. People like Dahmer would never find a ton of people willing to join in his activities (hopefully such will never happen). And they know it or so I feel, it is so far beyond what people will do or where they will go or what they would even think to do. It is a choice on some level because they do know this. Imo.

Dahmer is interesting in that if true, his admiration, what did that mean, that he wanted to be like them? In some weird like satanic way did he develop his own belief that eating the person would make them part of him or he would be like them?

While Dahmer appeared to be one of the most forthcoming ever in an attempt to help understand serial killers like him, and he seemed mostly truthful, it also does not mean he told the entire truth.

Like when claiming he had an admiration for his victims, at odds with that for me was it not sometimes just who was the target he could get and opportunistic? I would have to look back on that but it seemed that was the case, it is not like he had admiration for someone and stalked and targeted them I don't think or did he? I can't recall perfectly on that.

It still haunts me how the one got away and the police actually sent him back to Dahmer...
 
Personally, I have no sympathy for them at that point. They seem to all know what they're doing is wrong, or they wouldn't cover it up. I feel horrible for their families! Just horrible. The families of the murdered and the serial killer.

I appreciate what you're saying, believe me. I do believe that God loves them as much as He loves me, though I do not understand it.
I have sympathy for the children that they were- many were badly abused. But that's where it ends. As adults, they make their own choices, and must be held accountable for them.
 
I'm guessing Kimster posted the pictures of Serial Killers at the top of the post. Challenge. Can you name them?.
top- 3rd from left- Gary Ridgeway
2nd row-Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy, don't know the next 2, 5 is Dahmer, not sure about 6- maybe Danny Rolling.
3rd row_- # 4 Michael Swango, #6 John Wayne Gacy
4th row- #1 Dahmar, #3 Dennis Rader, #4 Ridgeway, #6 David Berkowitz
 
There is a lot out there about big $$ in prison systems and some are private too (which was actually news to me). Yes, someone pays for it all, probably us little guys... Others profit. Imo. We may not agree go figure :catfight: Lol.

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Of course it does, that is not the way I meant it.

I don't want to sidetrack the thread but I mean it a much different sense than the outright obvious, of course it costs more to house them. I don't have time to look further and this is not the ideal article but there is profit in the prison system.

I have seen new jails voted for and paid for by telling people the extra beds will bring income from other areas who can't house their own prisoners and they pay for it. Just one example of many. Just like a full motel, a full jail brings more profit in some cases. And as it says in this article, if no competition in the area, a monopoly can arise and prices unchecked.

Not trying to argue, I am just looking at it from a few different perspectives. Not to mention the government money depending on the type of facility. Some profit and some pay as in everything I guess is more my point.

I have read better articles than this but it touches on some of it...


This is why private prisons are a very, very bad idea: Kids for cash scandal - Wikipedia
 

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