Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers.

To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I feel like I should delete the post I did above. Debating. I feel guilty and like I am beating up on a victim.

The fact that I am thinking of it though says what another issue is here or what it seems like.

She is a victim I guess of her dad, their entire family is. Same in LISK with Asa and the ADULT children. They are victims of the husband/dad. They are NOT victims of LE and the system.

I get it to a point and she goes on about her therapy and mental health, etc. BUT every time she does, it is like if it is that bad for YOU after all these years, imagine the families of the victims. And for that matter what the victims went through. I'm not even saying she doesn't care about that, at times she seems to but the word that keeps coming to mind for me with her is martyr.

She is doing all this for us, the world, the public, the victims, at great cost to herself. She does it for investigators, etc. at great cost to herself. She lifted the no contact order with her dad to HELP us. and had to meet with him which she never intended to do and had not all these years. Again, LOOK at what she has to do at great cost to her but she is selfless and does it.

Maybe it is so bad being his daughter, she feels the need to do such, I don't know. I also think I read in the last day, probably the one posted here, recently anyhow somewhere, that LE did not come looking for her, SHE offered and went to them.

It is always SHE is the one that can do it and knows, etc.

I sense she has a lot of internal struggles still but what often wins out most of the time is ego. Any humble attitude is rare or takes on again the martyr tone. She will defer to the psych experts on shows or to big name people to a point. And many of them won't call her out when she says something that is NOT what she should say because I'm sure, like me here, that would be attacking a "victim". Even the LE lady she came down on wouldn't go there. No one on shows quite goes there but one has to figure they want her as a guest now don't they. Big headlines and interest and views.

See I am doing it again. Feeling as if I should delete this one now and feeling guilty.

I know nothing of what she is like or deals with on Twitter or other SM but I can guess and can guess how she likely responds because I have seen plenty of her in the last months.

I'll also say she wants to be relevant and important in these circles. She is in the "big league" to a point of making a career based on jumping off of all of this.

On the other hand, I do believe she is trying to help and feels like an expert on her dad, which arguably who knows people better than those close to them, more so than LE etc. She is, however, not an expert investigator or psych person, and so on. She is not unbiased nor not connected as the others are. I don't know if she sees that her own internal struggles show quite often.

Does she realize she doesn't owe the world or victims anything? Her dad does. Why does she feel the need? Her mother and brother don't. I also think she still whether she realizes it or not has feelings for her dad. Understandable. I think there is a lot of baggage there yet but she knows herself what face to put on and what to share and not share much of the time depending on what she is doing.

Competing? Yes she is competing. She is competing with people first of all. She is competing for attention second of all. She is competing with LE. AND she is competing with her dad. And she's going to win the match with her dad and more or less has said so. I'm not so sure of that.

If you find these posts deleted at some point by my guilt in saying such about a "victim" you know why.

 

[GrandmaBear]

OMG a cute and friendly shark.

It makes me think of when I see cute Halloween decorations where bats look like not disgusting brownish, blackish, grayish curled up or heavy thick winged disgusting creatures. Not.

Yeah, hey shark. That "smile" . Those "teeth". Yeah friendly and sociable, yeah right....

 

[Mel70]

I feel like I should delete the post I did above. Debating. I feel guilty and like I am beating up on a victim.

The fact that I am thinking of it though says what another issue is here or what it seems like.

She is a victim I guess of her dad, their entire family is. Same in LISK with Asa and the ADULT children. They are victims of the husband/dad. They are NOT victims of LE and the system.

I get it to a point and she goes on about her therapy and mental health, etc. BUT every time she does, it is like if it is that bad for YOU after all these years, imagine the families of the victims. And for that matter what the victims went through. I'm not even saying she doesn't care about that, at times she seems to but the word that keeps coming to mind for me with her is martyr.

She is doing all this for us, the world, the public, the victims, at great cost to herself. She does it for investigators, etc. at great cost to herself. She lifted the no contact order with her dad to HELP us. and had to meet with him which she never intended to do and had not all these years. Again, LOOK at what she has to do at great cost to her but she is selfless and does it.

Maybe it is so bad being his daughter, she feels the need to do such, I don't know. I also think I read in the last day, probably the one posted here, recently anyhow somewhere, that LE did not come looking for her, SHE offered and went to them.

It is always SHE is the one that can do it and knows, etc.

I sense she has a lot of internal struggles still but what often wins out most of the time is ego. Any humble attitude is rare or takes on again the martyr tone. She will defer to the psych experts on shows or to big name people to a point. And many of them won't call her out when she says something that is NOT what she should say because I'm sure, like me here, that would be attacking a "victim". Even the LE lady she came down on wouldn't go there. No one on shows quite goes there but one has to figure they want her as a guest now don't they. Big headlines and interest and views.

See I am doing it again. Feeling as if I should delete this one now and feeling guilty.

I know nothing of what she is like or deals with on Twitter or other SM but I can guess and can guess how she likely responds because I have seen plenty of her in the last months.

I'll also say she wants to be relevant and important in these circles. She is in the "big league" to a point of making a career based on jumping off of all of this.

On the other hand, I do believe she is trying to help and feels like an expert on her dad, which arguably who knows people better than those close to them, more so than LE etc. She is, however, not an expert investigator or psych person, and so on. She is not unbiased nor not connected as the others are. I don't know if she sees that her own internal struggles show quite often.

Does she realize she doesn't owe the world or victims anything? Her dad does. Why does she feel the need? Her mother and brother don't. I also think she still whether she realizes it or not has feelings for her dad. Understandable. I think there is a lot of baggage there yet but she knows herself what face to put on and what to share and not share much of the time depending on what she is doing.

Competing? Yes she is competing. She is competing with people first of all. She is competing for attention second of all. She is competing with LE. AND she is competing with her dad. And she's going to win the match with her dad and more or less has said so. I'm not so sure of that.

If you find these posts deleted at some point by my guilt in saying such about a "victim" you know why.

I do agree with you. Setting up funding for serial killer families, Her statement seemingly trying to illicit sympathy for her ailing father. Uh uh. How about setting up funding for victims families?. How about that idea?. They are the ones suffering!!!

 

[Mel70]

-------> Really small bat

 

[Mel70]

Cute little baby bat. I would name it "Belfry". I don't mind them. I saved one once. It's a funny story.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I do agree with you. Setting up funding for serial killer families, Her statement seemingly trying to illicit sympathy for her ailing father. Uh uh. How about setting up funding for victims families?. How about that idea?. They are the ones suffering!!!

EXACTLY. That whole thing with her and the other daughter of the other serial killer of funding, helping and there is some GROUP behind them that is forming or has been formed, mark my words, and just like Asa's attorney and all the talk of their wrecked house and suing the City, etc.

And of course we feel bad, don't attack the families, they didn't do it. I agree. But that does NOT MEAN you not knowing a thing start funding them, fund the DEAD victim's families and need to miss work for trial, fund the victim's families who lost jobs, struggled to pay a PI for answers when they couldn't get any, etc. Fund them for psych hep to deal with it and grief counseling and more.

What is WRONG with this picture???

I am very torn on her as I think shows. On one hand it is like she feels guilt over what her dad did and is trying to make up for it but on the other, yes, she seems to think at times he should have sympathy and it slips through and shows AND she thinks he should be CONSULTED like on LISK!!

She made a remark in one video of knowing what she can't say depending on who she is talking to, etc... And what it meant, she said more, was she can't say what she truly wants to, she doesn't dare more or less... I'd have to find it again but it was CLEAR what she meant. That her real opinions would not be received well so she has to play the game and the dance to try to get to whatever it is she is trying to get to and achieve...

She touts her own self importance and does it at times for her dad as well. She remarks on everyone wanting a piece of her and she just doesn't have time to handle it all or the mental health can't allow that, and she means news organizations, podcasters, LE, etc. and at the same time what she is saying is she is so important and popular and wanted as a guest...

How old is she? I forget. Because she does not quite get it all I don't think yet in the way someone older might. Trying to be fair here. She is intelligent and she does have some good insight but she's too close to some of it and not through it imo.

And I'm going to say this too. I do NOT LIKE ASA, the wife of LISK. I am open to changing my opinion and it is not 100 percent but every bit of what I've seen so far I find her intensely playing and knowing exactly what she is doing and I find her very dislikable and a FAKE "poor me" figure. NOT ONE WORD about the victims EVER, not from her and not from her attorney in all the media sh*T they have played for. I do NOT think she has "left" her husband and I DO think she knew some things. How much or how far it went, I'm not sure. I have no problem however believing she knew of sex workers and knew he had them in their home.

No one knows that she isn't guilty herself. Yet Rader's daughter and Happy Face's daughter jump on her ship or actually build her one and also state she is innocent. They don't KNOW that. NO ONE does. Is that naivete or what is it? Is it an agenda?

What is Happy Face's real name? I don't have time to look into it. I want to NOT use the SK name but don't know the other. I know you know. You are our resident expert!

 

[Mel70]

EXACTLY. That whole thing with her and the other daughter of the other serial killer of funding, helping and there is some GROUP behind them that is forming or has been formed, mark my words, and just like Asa's attorney and all the talk of their wrecked house and suing the City, etc.

And of course we feel bad, don't attack the families, they didn't do it. I agree. But that does NOT MEAN you not knowing a thing start funding them, fund the victim's families and need to miss work for trial, fund the victim's families who lost jobs, struggled to pay a PI for answers when they couldn't get any, etc. Fund them for psych hep to deal with it and grief counseling and more.

What is WRONG with this picture???

I am very torn on her as I think shows. On one hand it is like she feels guilt over what her dad did and is trying to make up for it but on the other, yes, she seems to think at times he should have sympathy and it slips through and shows AND she thinks he should be CONSULTED like on LISK!!

She made a remark in one video of knowing what she can't say depending on who she is talking to, etc... And what it meant, she said more, was she can't say what she truly wants to, she doesn't dare more or less... I'd have to find it again but it was CLEAR what she meant. That her real opinions would not be received well so she has to play the game and the dance to try to get to whatever it is she is trying to get to and achieve...

She touts her own self importance and does it at times for her dad as well. She remarks on everyone wanting a piece of her and she just doesn't have time to handle it all or the mental health can't allow that, and she means news organizations, podcasters, LE, etc. and at the same time what she is saying is she is so important and popular and wanted as a guest...

How old is she? I forget. Because she does not quite get it all I don't think yet in the way someone older might. Trying to be fair here. She is intelligent and she does have some good insight but she's too close to some of it and not through it imo.

And I'm going to say this too. I do NOT LIKE ASA, the wife of LISK. I am open to changing my opinion and it is not 100 percent but every bit of what I've seen so far I find her intensely playing and knowing exactly what she is doing and I find her very dislikable and a "poor me" figure. NOT ONE WORD about the victims EVER, not from her and not from her attorney in all the media sh*T they have played for. I do NOT think she has "left" her husband and I DO think she knew some things. How much or how far it went, I'm not sure. I have no problem however believing she knew of sex workers and knew he had them in their home.

No one knows that she isn't guilty herself. Yet Rader's daughter and Happy Face's daughter jump on her ship or actually build her one and also state she is innocent. They don't KNOW that. NO ONE does. Is that naivete or what is it? Is it an agenda?

What is Happy Face's real name? I don't have time to look into it. I want to NOT use the SK name but don't know the other. I know you know. You are our resident expert!

"Happy Face Killer" Keith Jesperson. I will never get out of my head what he did to a litter of kittens his daughter found. So sickening!!!! POS!!!! One point on the "Serial killer triad". Good old "Ted Bundy" Gave his input, Psychological profile of what "The Green River Killer" Would be like. I have a book called "The Riverman" (Ted Bundy And I Hunt for the Green River Killer). It's by renowned "Robert Keppel". Who spoke to, Worked with Bundy in his ladt days trying to get information on other killings. He was an investigator and Law enforcement officer. Foreword by "Ann Rule". Who worked with Bundy. Also wrote the book about him. " The Stranger Beside Me".

 

[GrandmaBear]

"Happy Face Killer" Keith Jesperson. I will never get out of my head what he did to a litter of kittens his daughter found. So sickening!!!! POS!!!! One point on the "Serial killer triad". Good old "Ted Bundy" Gave his input, Psychological profile of what "The Green River Killer" Would be like. I have a book called "The Riverman" (Ted Bundy And I Hunt for the Green River Killer). It's by renowned "Robert Keppel". Who spoke to, Worked with Bundy in his ladt days trying to get information on other killings. He was an investigator and Law enforcement officer. Foreword by "Ann Rule". Who worked with Bundy. Also wrote the book about him. " The Stranger Beside Me".

I know of the whole Ann Rule part, not as up on the rest of all of it.

It is like Kerri is going by movies if you want to know the truth. I feel sometimes she thinks she is Jodi Foster in Hannibal. I'm not being mean, it comes to mind a lot as she says she is going to outfox her dad, win, etc. on meeting with him and so forth. She also I think when she said that NY should have been consulting her and her dad about Crybaby and the LISK case, is going by all the former stuff you are talking about when they tried to mine other serial killers for how serial killers think, etc. and in asking them about some new one they were trying to catch and what they thought he'd do and so forth.

The one guest on the show did not call her out or insult her but he kind of said without directing it AT HER that they've found since doing that it really doesn't get them anywhere, you know drilling an apprehended serial killer for info on catching an at large serial killer. He said a few things that kind of was nicely putting down her thoughts that she and her dad would be some experts on LISK and could help and THEY should have been contacted. That really is one of the most outrageous and full of it things I've heard her say. And honestly I found it kind of juvenile. And again she is kind of making her dad IMPORTANT and part of a "we" with her. She does this at times in ways that kind of disturb. It shows me even if never seeing him he has some strange hold there yet with her. I'm no psych expert but watch all these things with her on them and you will notice it. The next time she will be totally the opposite but then slip into emotion for him, etc. or indignance even almost like in the remark about LISK. How dare they not think they should consult him is how it came across. AND her. She said more too that wasn't much better but I forget what exactly.

They are each too their own animal with their own MOs and fantasies. One isn't going to necessarily know a thing about the next. And they are so egocentric and solo in most cases imo that they can't even stand being blamed for another's crimes OR being ignored for their own, no?

I have to quit going on this morning. I've lost most of my time that I usually slowly drag myself back to preparing for another day.

 

[Regina]

The article you posted below this one is wrong from the outset. It says that Rader raped his victims. IIRC, he never raped his victims, he just masturbated on them.

Did it say that? I'm sure it did, and I see that I need to sloooow down and actually read the material rather than just skim through.
But indeed, I'd picked-up on that last part of your post; I'd just watched the video of the court proceeding where he was charged with the 10 counts and listened his walkthrough of the crimes and realized that no, he didn't actually sexually assault the victims, that it was only after they were dead- or he thought they were- that he derived pleasure from the scene, itself. From what I've seen in other cases, that's not actually unusual.
What I don't understand- and no one does- not even the killers, themselves- is why they can't allow their sick fantasies to remain a fantasy!

 

[Regina]

Yeah, someone else was getting his credit. I'm sure he didn't like that.

Well I think that's easy to assume about him but I really don't know. Do you think he could have just been sticking it to the police, so to speak, as in a "Hello, Nitwits? You're barking up the wrong tree" kind of thing?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Did it say that? I'm sure it did, and I see that I need to sloooow down and actually read the material rather than just skim through.
But indeed, I'd picked-up on that last part of your post; I'd just watched the video of the court proceeding where he was charged with the 10 counts and listened his walkthrough of the crimes and realized that no, he didn't actually sexually assault the victims, that it was only after they were dead- or he thought they were- that he derived pleasure from the scene, itself. From what I've seen in other cases, that's not actually unusual.
What I don't understand- and no one does- not even the killers, themselves- is why they can't allow their sick fantasies to remain a fantasy!

I imagine because dreaming of being on a beach all warm with sand between your toes when you are living in the middle of Canada in December isn't the same as being on a beach.

So for them, being stuck with ah wife and kids and daily life who aren't a bit of what your fantasy is and just imagining it isn't the same as having it/doing it.

Sick, I know but they want the reality of what they think about obsessively I suppose. That would be my guess. They figure the reality will be THAT MUCH BETTER just like a real beach would be for the rest of us. Disgusting. Our beach fantasy is harmless, their fantasies are not.

And clearly they don't care about laws or limits or decency when it comes to that. It's pure sick self indulgence and gratification with no thought of the victim other than that they are there for their use and need for power and control.

This is all just my guess.

 

[Regina]

I don't always like this thing that they NEVER chance their type of victim or MO, etc. It may be true in many cases but it doesn't mean it has to be in all. If you were a smart serial killer, which they want to be considered, you would do EXACTLY that. Different areas, different MO, etc.

And they will change MO for different reasons but you know, these known crimes of Rader's must surely make for an eye-opening geographic profile, right? I'd really like to see a map of his known crimes. (Btw, I'm trying to gather and organize addresses.)
What interests me at the moment is that his last known victim was a neighbor! I say that because it's my understanding that it's the first crime of a serial killer that's near his home. Also, though, I suppose that's the reason why he transported her body elsewhere...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well I think that's easy to assume about him but I really don't know. Do you think he could have just been sticking it to the police, so to speak, as in a "Hello, Nitwits? You're barking up the wrong tree" kind of thing?

Could be. I wasn't really putting a lot of thought into the remark, just saying it was likely. They want to be known for THEIR crimes and THEIR details and often compare themselves to other SKs and set out to be a better one or more prolific, etc. don't they or isn't that said/thought? He also complimented the one when he said it wasn't him on a job well done kind of thing.

 

[RoundPeg]

EXACTLY. That whole thing with her and the other daughter of the other serial killer of funding, helping and there is some GROUP behind them that is forming or has been formed, mark my words, and just like Asa's attorney and all the talk of their wrecked house and suing the City, etc.

And of course we feel bad, don't attack the families, they didn't do it. I agree. But that does NOT MEAN you not knowing a thing start funding them, fund the DEAD victim's families and need to miss work for trial, fund the victim's families who lost jobs, struggled to pay a PI for answers when they couldn't get any, etc. Fund them for psych hep to deal with it and grief counseling and more.

What is WRONG with this picture???

I am very torn on her as I think shows. On one hand it is like she feels guilt over what her dad did and is trying to make up for it but on the other, yes, she seems to think at times he should have sympathy and it slips through and shows AND she thinks he should be CONSULTED like on LISK!!

She made a remark in one video of knowing what she can't say depending on who she is talking to, etc... And what it meant, she said more, was she can't say what she truly wants to, she doesn't dare more or less... I'd have to find it again but it was CLEAR what she meant. That her real opinions would not be received well so she has to play the game and the dance to try to get to whatever it is she is trying to get to and achieve...

She touts her own self importance and does it at times for her dad as well. She remarks on everyone wanting a piece of her and she just doesn't have time to handle it all or the mental health can't allow that, and she means news organizations, podcasters, LE, etc. and at the same time what she is saying is she is so important and popular and wanted as a guest...

How old is she? I forget. Because she does not quite get it all I don't think yet in the way someone older might. Trying to be fair here. She is intelligent and she does have some good insight but she's too close to some of it and not through it imo.

And I'm going to say this too. I do NOT LIKE ASA, the wife of LISK. I am open to changing my opinion and it is not 100 percent but every bit of what I've seen so far I find her intensely playing and knowing exactly what she is doing and I find her very dislikable and a FAKE "poor me" figure. NOT ONE WORD about the victims EVER, not from her and not from her attorney in all the media sh*T they have played for. I do NOT think she has "left" her husband and I DO think she knew some things. How much or how far it went, I'm not sure. I have no problem however believing she knew of sex workers and knew he had them in their home.

No one knows that she isn't guilty herself. Yet Rader's daughter and Happy Face's daughter jump on her ship or actually build her one and also state she is innocent. They don't KNOW that. NO ONE does. Is that naivete or what is it? Is it an agenda?

What is Happy Face's real name? I don't have time to look into it. I want to NOT use the SK name but don't know the other. I know you know. You are our resident expert!

I think she's in her 40s. I've heard that extreme trauma can kind of freeze your emotional maturity at whatever age you suffered it. I dunno.

 

[Regina]

And clearly they don't care about laws or limits or decency when it comes to that. It's pure sick self indulgence and gratification with no thought of the victim other than that they are there for their use and need for power and control.

I guess that's it, really, you know, that that's just the way a criminal mind works.

 

[GrandmaBear]

And they will change MO for different reasons but you know, these known crimes of Rader's must surely make for an eye-opening geographic profile, right? I'd really like to see a map of his known crimes. (Btw, I'm trying to gather and organize addresses.)
What interests me at the moment is that his last known victim was a neighbor! I say that because it's my understanding that it's the first crime of a serial killer that's near his home. Also, though, I suppose that's the reason why he transported her body elsewhere...

Well I guess even though with SKs it is so ingrained to think some things apply to all of them, it still is just generalizing and not all are going to fit the mold/pattern with every single thing. Just like criminal profiling, it's just a likelihood or something on that order.

I'd have to refresh and look at it and don't have time but the neighbor may have been somewhat opportunistic or even one he saved for knowing of when he couldn't easily get his "fix" with another victim or maybe when he felt the heat was on or was worried about being caught... I mean it was his last right...?

Generally they aren't stupid I guess so yeah, I think both changing MO and changing areas and things like that would be something most would do if they have the means to do so and if they deemed it smart or necessary to like stop in a certain area if say, it is just getting to dangerous for them, too much attention, etc.

They also evolve right? I mean from their first crime to their last. They learn. They find what works for them and what doesn't or what not to do again, etc.

The neighbor may have been an easy one in that so close to get at BUT it also could have been a thrill to sit there and realize both his family and LE didn't even realize the SK of the neighbor was him who lived right next door. After all that time and all those murders, he hit next door and close to home to sit there in pride that even THEN they didn't have an inkling or suspect. Just a thought. Heck, he and his family were probably questioned as to if they saw or heard anything no?

 

[Regina]

I forget where I saw it, maybe in Regina's article but apparently they did offer Rader amnesty for these murders they are looking at. Why would he take that though? He has is it ten life sentences, what does amnesty matter? It gets him no freedom, no fish sticks, no sketch pad for his gruesome porn and torture, no outing, etc. He probably LOVES that they asked for such, he again has an upper hand. And is in the news. And his daughter visited and he has someone that thinks she can win playing cat and mouse with him.

Authorities and her are not going about it right. He isn't dumb. What good wold amnesty do someone like him? There is not one bit of that that would appeal. He is NOT A DO GOODER and going to confess for the victims OR for the public because he has some EMOTION akin to sympathy or guilt. No WAY.

The daughter, for those that dind't watch the one, did say he complained about some air vent or some such in his cell where he is cold all the time or hot, etc. She said on I think Surviving the Survivor that she either said to LE or maybe she was saying it on the show, GIVE him that, fix that in exchange for info, etc.

Here's the thing though that is just starting to hit me, they seem to think they have things but regardless of Rader and if he confessed, they need to PROVE and TRY these cases or it could be a false confession. Again games. I don't think he will do that but the public and victims anyhow are going to want more than his claim he did so...

I don't know if it was in that article or not- among other things, I was experiencing some sort of dyslexia with my reading comprehension, lol!- but good questions, why would he take such an offer but also, why would they make the offer in the first place? I suppose it could be that amnesty could simply mean he'd be spared court appearances/proceedings...or maybe Missouri and/or Oklahoma were death penalty states but he'd avoid the death penalty, I really don't know.
But hey, one reason he wouldn't take the offer is simply that he didn't actually commit the crime(s), right?! And you're right, there'd have to be evidence in addition to a confession, which wouldn't doesn't exist if he actually didn't do it. Now in the Kinney case, though, if he led to her body, that'd certainly be conclusive of his guilt. As for the Garber case, I'm not aware of any evidence that could link him conclusively.

 

[Regina]

Could be. I wasn't really putting a lot of thought into the remark, just saying it was likely. They want to be known for THEIR crimes and THEIR details and often compare themselves to other SKs and set out to be a better one or more prolific, etc. don't they or isn't that said/thought? He also complimented the one when he said it wasn't him on a job well done kind of thing.

Yeah, that was the ***er murders (in Wichita, 1987, I think) a crime very much like Rader's but authorities knew it wasn't a "BTK" case because they were quickly onto an obvious suspect. (If you hadn't heard of the case, it's very interesting. One thing that that perp did exactly like Rader was that he'd parked his car nearby and left the scene in the victim's car.)
It could be inaccurate but I read somewhere that BTK notified either authorities or media that the guy police arrested didn't do it, that he did it.

 

[Regina]

Well I guess even though with SKs it is so ingrained to think some things apply to all of them, it still is just generalizing and not all are going to fit the mold/pattern with every single thing. Just like criminal profiling, it's just a likelihood or something on that order.

Right, I know that, I should have said "statically speaking" but I need to correct my info that she was the last known victim- she was the 8th but he did take her body from her home; he took it to his church and afterward, dumped it elsewhere. Now, had he not gone to the church, I think he still would have dumped her body away from her home simply because her murder occurred too close to his own home.
Same with the last known victim, that is, if the info's correct that she lived only a mile and a half from Rader.

 

[Mel70]

I know of the whole Ann Rule part, not as up on the rest of all of it.

It is like Kerri is going by movies if you want to know the truth. I feel sometimes she thinks she is Jodi Foster in Hannibal. I'm not being mean, it comes to mind a lot as she says she is going to outfox her dad, win, etc. on meeting with him and so forth. She also I think when she said that NY should have been consulting her and her dad about Crybaby and the LISK case, is going by all the former stuff you are talking about when they tried to mine other serial killers for how serial killers think, etc. and in asking them about some new one they were trying to catch and what they thought he'd do and so forth.

The one guest on the show did not call her out or insult her but he kind of said without directing it AT HER that they've found since doing that it really doesn't get them anywhere, you know drilling an apprehended serial killer for info on catching an at large serial killer. He said a few things that kind of was nicely putting down her thoughts that she and her dad would be some experts on LISK and could help and THEY should have been contacted. That really is one of the most outrageous and full of it things I've heard her say. And honestly I found it kind of juvenile. And again she is kind of making her dad IMPORTANT and part of a "we" with her. She does this at times in ways that kind of disturb. It shows me even if never seeing him he has some strange hold there yet with her. I'm no psych expert but watch all these things with her on them and you will notice it. The next time she will be totally the opposite but then slip into emotion for him, etc. or indignance even almost like in the remark about LISK. How dare they not think they should consult him is how it came across. AND her. She said more too that wasn't much better but I forget what exactly.

They are each too their own animal with their own MOs and fantasies. One isn't going to necessarily know a thing about the next. And they are so egocentric and solo in most cases imo that they can't even stand being blamed for another's crimes OR being ignored for their own, no?

I have to quit going on this morning. I've lost most of my time that I usually slowly drag myself back to preparing for another day.

"Jodie Foster" Was in "Silence of the Lambs". It was that annoying "Julianne Moore" (Scientologist). I didn't like her before. She was fired once for "Bad acting". I'm serious. I'm not jabbing you. I just can't stand hher.The movie "Hannibal", Was too much for me. I think Gary Oldman is a great actor. And Anthony Hopkins is amazing. But Oldman cutting off his face and feeding it to a dog. And having a drugged up Ray Liotta, Rest in Peace. At the dinner table eating his own brain. Uh uh. I have "Silence of the Lambs". Jodie Foster is a great actress. It isn't for the faint hearted. But IMO, More tastefully done. I like horror movies. There will be some blood. But I don't like gore. A good horror movie doesn't need that as filler. All the dam remakes, That's all it is. And that's my actor, Movies review. Thank you very much. Stay safe, Stay cool for my next episode. My next episode. AHAHAHAAAA.