Right, "picked up" implies that either he hadn't slept there or he had slept there but was elsewhere prior to taking her to school and so at this point, I think either he had been elsewhere or they lied that he picked her up because he wasn't supposed to have been spending the night.
The way Jennifer explained it, it sounds to me like Madeline was dropped off at home by someone who'd attended the party. Btw, it's not my impression that Sterns attended but regardless, my strongest impression is that she wasn't home very long before she went to bed.
It seems to me that "observed her dressing" is a characterization rather than a statement and so I'd have to know precisely what the officer was told and by whom.
Yah, it could have been a cover because he shouldn't have been there/been spending the night. That doesn't even have to be a legal thing but if her family, etc. thought she was done with him and she claimed so, then help, support or a family fall out may occur. I think this is a possibility as her mother/gma said she did not know why Jen called him or he was there, etc. almost like she couldn't fathom she would do that. I think she may have even said called him over/picked up too?/ to take her to school. Telemundo I am talking. And that he was not there the night before but then here he was during the night or next morning. I am very much paraphrasinig. To the best of my recollection. Her saying he was not there the night before and was in the morning, she almost gave her impression though that SHE WAS and knew this because she WAS. There's so much confusing in this case that largely relates to where everyone was and when and even who all was there or anywhere.
If Gray hadn't went too a bit everywhere, and sideways, there were a few things that made sense. Just one example, say Maddie stayed the night at grandma's or he picked her up there and she stayed with him, and he was to take her to school or was asked to, of course she may not have her backpack and laptop and they had to stop by to get it.... We need to assume the 8 a.m thing by Jennifer for this is also wrong or she lied for him but was she already dead from he night before just for one.... He tells Jenn yes I said I'd get her to school but she needs her stuff and takes it and of course not known most likely to mom dumps it.... There are so many possibilities here and some interpret the bit by LE to mean she was killed in the home/at home.
I can also make it work that Jenn did see her getting dressed. We haven't been given enough nor know enough in this case imo.
To your other point, since the start of this I have heard Stephan was not at the party and seeming truth he was not and I've heard he was. That like everything for the most part is entirely up for debate. We do not know enough, it seemed with the first PD we were given some stuff and info but with this PD it was handed over to, nothing really but even with the first, there are so many questions. The only things I am sure of as I would think most anyone is is him and his guilt and he had been SA'ing her for years on end. Just about all else is undecided for me as they won't clear things up for us.
I stay with I haven't thrown mom entirely under the bus but she better now be helping every way from Sunday to nail him and if she is not guilty of anything other than denial even with or without an attorney, I feel that is the best she can do for Maddie but herself too. Seek justice for your daugter. And help.
I am not convinced she is innocent though. I'm open.. We don't know enough imo.
The other thing is since this thread has little interest or activity, so not on a lot for new posts, can't recall if we have discussed the DV thing. It was said she died by domestic violence wasn't it? And DV is going to mean someone in he home, family and would bring it down most likely to Jenn or Stephan. and I don't get a lot of time on all is that supposedly this is ruled DV her death is. And DV if only him, her or one or the other with Maddie that night or morning is very likely to only mom or Stephan. I know we can't rule out much because it could be this or that and not enough info but can investigators? I'd sure hope so because one reason they may need to wait to charge him with murder is him claiming mom lost it or did it. They need to close off these possibilities big time as of course defense and Stephan may try that route, that SHE did it. That is why one of the biggest things is who was where and when? Aren't they the all around main questions. Did he pick her up? Did he stay the night? Who was at the bday party? How did she get home, when and by whom. When did Jenn get home? And so on.
It would be nice if they cleared some things up, some basics, IF they know for certain themselves. When not enough is known internet speculaton goes rampant. I get absolutely no feeling they will though or intend to until good and ready, if ever.
If mom is cooperating what do you think the odds are they have her still in contact with him getting some info out of him by seeming to support him or acting as if he can't quit "loving" him or can't believe it to get some answers out of him? Such has crossed my mind. Of course that's IF she is innocent herself.
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