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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers. (63 Viewers)

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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I don't want serial killlers alive, no argument there, but in the interesting in having some excitement I shall continue this part.... :catfight: Again, I am the LIGHT lavender one...

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Scary. It doesn't surprise me though, what does surprise me is that another staff member or two doesn't raise the alarm, even if they have to do it anonymously. We think of most in the medical profession as being ethical... I wonder where that last happened anywhere? Because I would like to think nowadays if that happened, with the internet, we'd all help get it out there in the open if there was a hint of such a thing, kind of like what has happened with Fort Hood, calling attention to it.

It's not serial killer related, but similar things happen with teachers, cops, etc. They end up being forced to maybe quietly resign over something and they just end up teaching or working somewhere else... It is so outrageous that they just pass the buck and let the problem continue.

In one show I saw about one of these nurses she was caught a couple of times by hospitals that couldn't prove anything other than a lot of people seemed to die on her watch. Finally one hospital caught her in the act of giving a patient poison and it was a slam dunk prosecution.
 
I agree. It's a controversial subject though, some hang onto hope well past where others would and do not want a plug to be pulled and others do.

With Kevorkian, though, it was the person deciding for themselves. I don't judge it, all make their own decisions but I could not assist as he did as I am not sure I feel I have that right. It would be a tough call, say if a friend begged you to help them die.

I'm with Mel in that I don't class Kevorkian as a serial killer, his "case" is in an entirely different ballpark.

Oh, I meant only if the person wanted to. I have instructions not to use any "heroic" actions to keep me alive. Also, if I'm on life support I've given my brother the right to tell them to off me.

When I was at the hospital, I never saw it, but when a patient had requested no (I think it was called "heroic actions") be taken. when the patient would flatline all the doctors and nurses would raise their hands and take a step back until the patient was declared legally dead. I was told this by an E.R. nurse. Legally they had to do that.
 
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Anyone else have these feelings/ thoughts?

I find it strange and interesting that there are killers who I find myself empathizing with, feeling sorry for, or in the least, I don't see them as being evil and sinister, although they have done extremely sinister acts. Two that come to mind are Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Body Snatcher / "The Plainfeild Ghoul"
The case of Ed Gein is an interesting one to discuss. He made clothing, furniture, kitchenware, lots of 'stuff', out of human skin and bones! To name a few for those who may be unfamiliar with the case, he had a nipple belt, a box full of vulva's, a skin chair, and a body (skin) suit made out from a woman's corpse!!
He confessed killing two women Mary Hogan in 1954, and Bernice Worden in 1957, however, it was imamissable in court because the sheriff at the time used excessive force to coerce the confession. He slammed Ed's head and face into a brick wall. He was also suspected suspected of killing his brother and mother.


"The Milwaukee Cannibal"
The case of Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting because he killed out of admiration rather than abhorance. Many times with serial killers we see (1) a deep seeded hate or disgust for their victims (2) a need to dominate or control (3) and/or a sexual desire. While the last two could be attributed to Dahmer's M.O., what in the world created the desire for him to eat them!?!? I've heard his explanation, but it still doesn't satisfy my curiosity.

I curious to hear you'lls thoughts before I elaborate further :).


Ed Gein wasn't technically a Serial Killer. He killed 2 Women. However the things as you mentioned have put him in that category in people's minds. He was declared insane in 1958 after his capture and died in an Asylum in 1984.
 
Oh, I meant only if the person wanted to. I have instructions to use any "heroic" actions to keep me alive. Also, if I'm on life support I've given my brother the right to tell them to off me.

When I was at the hospital, I never saw it, but when a patient had requested no (I think it was called "heroic actions") be taken. when the patient would flatline all the doctors and nurses would raise their hands and take a step back until the patient was declared legally dead. I was told this by an E.R. nurse. Legally they had to do that.
DNR orders. My Mom had those.
 
Anyone else have these feelings/ thoughts?

I find it strange and interesting that there are killers who I find myself empathizing with, feeling sorry for, or in the least, I don't see them as being evil and sinister, although they have done extremely sinister acts. Two that come to mind are Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.

The Body Snatcher / "The Plainfeild Ghoul"
The case of Ed Gein is an interesting one to discuss. He made clothing, furniture, kitchenware, lots of 'stuff', out of human skin and bones! To name a few for those who may be unfamiliar with the case, he had a nipple belt, a box full of vulva's, a skin chair, and a body (skin) suit made out from a woman's corpse!!
He confessed killing two women Mary Hogan in 1954, and Bernice Worden in 1957, however, it was imamissable in court because the sheriff at the time used excessive force to coerce the confession. He slammed Ed's head and face into a brick wall. He was also suspected suspected of killing his brother and mother.


"The Milwaukee Cannibal"
The case of Jeffrey Dahmer is interesting because he killed out of admiration rather than abhorance. Many times with serial killers we see (1) a deep seeded hate or disgust for their victims (2) a need to dominate or control (3) and/or a sexual desire. While the last two could be attributed to Dahmer's M.O., what in the world created the desire for him to eat them!?!? I've heard his explanation, but it still doesn't satisfy my curiosity.

I curious to hear you'lls thoughts before I elaborate further :).



There are killers I empathize with, but neither of those two. I empathize with Betty Broderick, but she's still a killer. However, I'll stop just short of saying they deserved it, but it was awfully close. At least according to the show I saw about it.
 
If it's the right person. The guards on death row did horrible things to Damien Echols and he was innocent. Let's treat people humanely here and let God mete out the punishment. We're supposed to be better than they are.
They deserve death. Plain and simple. They acted like animals. Did horrible things to their victims. They deserve the same. They don't deserve better. Echols is a different story. I Am talking about the killers we know for sure and their crimes. They don't deserve to breathe. The families have to suffer knowing they just sit there everyday and don't care.
 
There are killers I empathize with, but neither of those two. I empathize with Betty Broderick, but she's still a killer. However, I'll stop just short of saying they deserved it, but it was awfully close. At least according to the show I saw about it.
Betty Broderick. Yes. I agree. They mentally tortured that Woman. Andrea Yates shouldn't have been convicted but hospitalized. I really felt for Aileen Wornous. I believe she was mentally ill.
 
They deserve death. Plain and simple. They acted like animals. Did horrible things to their victims. They deserve the same. They don't deserve better. Echols is a different story. I Am talking about the killers we know for sure and their crimes. They don't deserve to breathe. The families have to suffer knowing they just sit there everyday and don't care.

That's the problem. Twelve people were convinced enough that Echols did it. We can never really know. I know there seems to be obvious cases, but not as many as you'd think. The police have framed people in the past, and I'm sure it's still happening.
 
In one show I saw about one of these nurses she was caught a couple of times by hospitals that couldn't prove anything other than a lot of people seemed to die on her watch. Finally one hospital caught her in the act of giving a patient poison and it was a slam dunk prosecution.
Scary. Thank goodness they caught her. How many had to die before that though...
 
Oh, I meant only if the person wanted to. I have instructions not to use any "heroic" actions to keep me alive. Also, if I'm on life support I've given my brother the right to tell them to off me.

When I was at the hospital, I never saw it, but when a patient had requested no (I think it was called "heroic actions") be taken. when the patient would flatline all the doctors and nurses would raise their hands and take a step back until the patient was declared legally dead. I was told this by an E.R. nurse. Legally they had to do that.
Wow, I didn't know that. I guess it makes sense, it makes it clear to all they are nowhere near the patient and everyone did as they were supposed to.

I think medical power of attorneys have changed things a lot. At least if someone has one, it is harder for a family to argue whether to end life support or not as they have the patient's wishes.
 
Betty Broderick. Yes. I agree. They mentally tortured that Woman. Andrea Yates shouldn't have been convicted but hospitalized. I really felt for Aileen Wornous. I believe she was mentally ill.

Technically, anyone who kills anyone is nuts. I know what you mean, but there is a limit. Charles Manson had a horrible childhood, but people know the difference between right and wrong.
 

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