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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers. (4 Viewers)

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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I don't think it has anything to do with money at all. I don't see how it could. It cost money to keep them alive. It is the appeals which is ridiculous. Some end up dying of natural causes before death can be carried out. Their victims didn't get appeals. Really makes me angry.
There is a lot out there about big $$ in prison systems and some are private too (which was actually news to me). Yes, someone pays for it all, probably us little guys... Others profit. Imo. We may not agree go figure :catfight: Lol.
 
Did you know that I did a refinance for Dahmer's mother? I only spoke to her on the phone on occasion, but she seemed really nice. My appraiser friend said that her house was very nice and that she had a picture of her son on the mantelpiece just like any other mother.
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I believe in it but I draw back at wanting to be the one to give it as a jury member or hit the switch so to speak... I am not sure in that or those situations how I would feel. Just being honest, I would like to say I could no problem in the right case but actually being in that situation would be a very serious consideration. I actually root for it in some cases, but like Gar, I would not like being the one responsible for the decision. I do know I would feel it truly would depend on the sheer amount of proof and certainty for me as well, I don't think I could hand it out in just any case. Beyond a reasonable doubt is one thing with regard to prison, but I think I would want to be even more certain than that if handing down death.

It bothers me when those deservedly get it with enough proof but then just sit on death row for decades and it is not carried out anyhow in many of the states that have it. Some would say that is due to appeals, I would say it also ties to $$$.

All jmo.
it costs far more to keep them in death row than not, so that kind of $$ isn't the case.
 
it costs far more to keep them in death row than not, so that kind of $$ isn't the case.
Of course it does, that is not the way I meant it.

I don't want to sidetrack the thread but I mean it a much different sense than the outright obvious, of course it costs more to house them. I don't have time to look further and this is not the ideal article but there is profit in the prison system.

I have seen new jails voted for and paid for by telling people the extra beds will bring income from other areas who can't house their own prisoners and they pay for it. Just one example of many. Just like a full motel, a full jail brings more profit in some cases. And as it says in this article, if no competition in the area, a monopoly can arise and prices unchecked.

Not trying to argue, I am just looking at it from a few different perspectives. Not to mention the government money depending on the type of facility. Some profit and some pay as in everything I guess is more my point.

I have read better articles than this but it touches on some of it...

 
Of course it does, that is not the way I meant it.

I don't want to sidetrack the thread but I mean it a much different sense than the outright obvious, of course it costs more to house them. I don't have time to look further and this is not the ideal article but there is profit in the prison system.

I have seen new jails voted for and paid for by telling people the extra beds will bring income from other areas who can't house their own prisoners and they pay for it. Just one example of many. Just like a full motel, a full jail brings more profit in some cases. And as it says in this article, if no competition in the area, a monopoly can arise and prices unchecked.

Not trying to argue, I am just looking at it from a few different perspectives. Not to mention the government money depending on the type of facility. Some profit and some pay as in everything I guess is more my point.

I have read better articles than this but it touches on some of it...

Private prisons are run differently. State is where they hold prisoners on "Death Row".
 
I'm fascinated by the Zodiac Killer. Probably because he's still unknown. And we do have a separate thread about him here: The Zodiac Killer in SF.

Also the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway, as he operated where I live now. And several of his victims are still missing or unidentified.

And Ted Bundy, for the same reasons. Obviously before my time. He was executed before I turned 3. But he grew up in the city that I live in now! Did anyone watch the movie with Zac Effron? I lot of people had some issues with it but I thought it was really well done.
 
A less "prolific" serial killer with "only" 7 known victims - Joseph Duncan.
He killed the Groene family and kidnapped Shasta and Dylan less than 30 minutes from where I grew up. I drove by their house the night he attacked, but it was several hours prior, and I didn't even realize until months later.

If you really want to dig into the mind of a psychopath, though... wow. Not for the faint hearted. It will make you angry. It will make you disgusted. He tries to make himself appear the "victim" because of the "system". But it's not often we actually get to see what a serial killer puts out there...

He had a blog. His last entry just days prior to killing the Groene family and taking the kids. Blogging The Fifth Nail

He also has a "friend" outside of prison who gets letters from him to post a blog from death row.... Most recent entry is July of this year. The Fifth Nail Exposed: Chronicles
 
I'm fascinated by the Zodiac Killer. Probably because he's still unknown. And we do have a separate thread about him here: The Zodiac Killer in SF.

Also the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway, as he operated where I live now. And several of his victims are still missing or unidentified.

And Ted Bundy, for the same reasons. Obviously before my time. He was executed before I turned 3. But he grew up in the city that I live in now! Did anyone watch the movie with Zac Effron? I lot of people had some issues with it but I thought it was really well done.
Zodiac. I believe it was "Arthur Lee Alan". The DNA not matching on an envelope can be explained away. There was alot of circumstantial evidence. More than anyone else. Gary Ridgeway. Such arrogance. He was convicted of 48 but he said he killed 71. I believe there may be even more than that. There are alot of gaps in between killings and he was killing in alarming regularity. He said he went back to the bodies at times so he didn't have to pay for a prostitute again. I don't buy that. He said he came to hate prostitutes because when he was a child his father was a city bus driver and would come home and complain about them. Nice try Gary. I have seen the "Zac Effron" Movie. There were alot of mistakes and things they left out. Also added things that didn't happen.
 
A less "prolific" serial killer with "only" 7 known victims - Joseph Duncan.
He killed the Groene family and kidnapped Shasta and Dylan less than 30 minutes from where I grew up. I drove by their house the night he attacked, but it was several hours prior, and I didn't even realize until months later.

If you really want to dig into the mind of a psychopath, though... wow. Not for the faint hearted. It will make you angry. It will make you disgusted. He tries to make himself appear the "victim" because of the "system". But it's not often we actually get to see what a serial killer puts out there...

He had a blog. His last entry just days prior to killing the Groene family and taking the kids. Blogging The Fifth Nail

He also has a "friend" outside of prison who gets letters from him to post a blog from death row.... Most recent entry is July of this year. The Fifth Nail Exposed: Chronicles
Yeah they love to NOT take responsibility.
 
Do you believe in the Death Penalty?
Why or why not?
If you do, Is there anyone you believe should not have been executed?.
In general, no. Absolutely not in favor of the death penalty.
HOWEVER, I can make an exception for scum like this. And like Kimster said, there better be SOLID, inescapable proof.

As for innocent people executed, the first one that comes to mind is always George Stinney. :(

Since 1973, more than 170 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.

Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).


In 2015, the Justice Department and the FBI formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an FBI forensic squad overstated forensic hair matches for two decades before the year 2000.[38][39] Of the 28 forensic examiners testifying to hair matches in a total of 268 trials reviewed, 26 overstated the evidence of forensic hair matches and 95% of the overstatements favored the prosecution. Defendants were sentenced to death in 32 of those 268 cases.

 
In general, no. Absolutely not in favor of the death penalty.
HOWEVER, I can make an exception for scum like this. And like Kimster said, there better be SOLID, inescapable proof.

As for innocent people executed, the first one that comes to mind is always George Stinney. :(

Since 1973, more than 170 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.

Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).


In 2015, the Justice Department and the FBI formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an FBI forensic squad overstated forensic hair matches for two decades before the year 2000.[38][39] Of the 28 forensic examiners testifying to hair matches in a total of 268 trials reviewed, 26 overstated the evidence of forensic hair matches and 95% of the overstatements favored the prosecution. Defendants were sentenced to death in 32 of those 268 cases.

I do agree with the Death Penalty. However, There does need to be no question it was that person. I have never had any doubt that some have been wrongly convicted and executed. The ones I mostly think of are Serial Killers who don't deserve another day on Earth. But I do believe a life for a life. Child Killers. The ones who are molesters who the system let's out. Then they kill. It has happened over and over. I think also they need to suffer. Their victims did. Bring the chair back. Just drifting off to sleep is too easy. IMO.
 
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In general, no. Absolutely not in favor of the death penalty.
HOWEVER, I can make an exception for scum like this. And like Kimster said, there better be SOLID, inescapable proof.

As for innocent people executed, the first one that comes to mind is always George Stinney. :(

Since 1973, more than 170 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.

Death penalty case costs were counted through to execution (median cost $1.26 million). Non-death penalty case costs were counted through to the end of incarceration (median cost $740,000).


In 2015, the Justice Department and the FBI formally acknowledged that nearly every examiner in an FBI forensic squad overstated forensic hair matches for two decades before the year 2000.[38][39] Of the 28 forensic examiners testifying to hair matches in a total of 268 trials reviewed, 26 overstated the evidence of forensic hair matches and 95% of the overstatements favored the prosecution. Defendants were sentenced to death in 32 of those 268 cases.

Wow! At least today we have DNA and the likelihood of a wrong conviction is very slim. But they better have it or other irrefutable evidence.
 
I'm not touching the death row discussion - my views tend to be extreme when it comes to kids, especially, so i'll hold my tongue.

I'm always fascinated by organized and disorganized killers - those that hold it together for years - BTK, Green River, etc. - and those that are just wack-a-doodle and the neighbors and everyone else aren't even surprised when they're locked up - "Yep, I always knew that boy just wasn't right."
 

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