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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers. (2 Viewers)

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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Kimster said:
Not all serial killers keep on killing, according to this article in Psychology Today:

www.psychologytoday.com

Not All Serial Killers Must Keep On Killing

There are serial killers who stop murdering altogether before ever being caught or killed.
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I disagree for a large part. I think they just have undiscovered victims most of the time. When it does happen it is extremely rare. The man in the article was stated as killing 5 yrs apart and 2 killings. That's not a serial killer.
 
Kimster said:
Not all serial killers keep on killing, according to this article in Psychology Today:

www.psychologytoday.com

Not All Serial Killers Must Keep On Killing

There are serial killers who stop murdering altogether before ever being caught or killed.
www.psychologytoday.com www.psychologytoday.com
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Maybe many take intervals or manage to get by with their weird fantasies, porn and over the line sick needs. Is it not the very fact they cross that line though even in thoughts and materials they watch or engage in that drives them back to the need and want for the real thing and a real victim? It is good enough for awhile but then they see the strangling, the erotic asphyxiation, a victim whether in their own imagination, a snuff film or who knows what else (I don't want to know what's out there that way, be up there with Redwine's weird "fetish"), or their own imagination, and it eventually drives them to acting on it again or even for the first time? No expert, just saying, I don't think they quit in general, most do not kill daily or three times a day to begin with and many have to cover or look normal in their every day lives if they have jobs, wives, families so they can't just go do it every time the urge hits. They do seem to value their own skin/freedom too and if they feel the heat is on them or they feel they made a mistake and will be caught they may lay low, which to me shows they can control it or some can.

Just talking as a person as I can't fathom how they think as I don't even really think a shrink can, but I do doubt all are all alike. And perhaps some quit when old from lack of urge, mobility, health, need or for whatever reasons.

It also bothers me that the writer says BTK had an alter ego. I can't help but take that as an offered "excuse" like it is up there with multiple personalities or something. He KNEW exactly what he was doing and enjoyed every minute of giving detail in court.

This is not at you at all, just a great article and topic for discussion so just discussing with my take on it. A great topic imo for discussion on it.
 
I just watched 2 true crime series. The first was "Fall River". Takes place in Fall River, MA starting in 1979. It's very complicated. The murder of 3 young women that were involved in prostitution. It is a question of who among the players did it and involves the start of the "Satanic panic" era. It's 4 parts on Epix. I thought it was good.
The second is about "Gacy". Things I didn't know before. Very detailed. Even included an interview with him and FBI profiler "Robert Ressler". 6 parts on "Peacock". Called "John Wayne Gacy: Devil in disguise". Also has a voice recording of his 2nd ex wife about him. His sister was also interviewed. You can really see how he fooled people. He was very personable, Polite, Friendly.
 
There is a new documentary on Netflix about Dennis Nilsen called "Memories of a murderer: The Nilsen tapes". He recorded himself on cassettes of his life. He is grandiose, Arrogant, Makes himself out more than he was. Says the opposite of what others say about him who are also interviewed. It does tell about his crimes. He was once a police officer. Died in 2018.
 
Watching something on Dennis Rader (BTK). He's got to be the weirdest serial killer ever. He committed horrendous murders, but he ceased his killings around the times his children were born. Sort of a committed family man serial killer?!

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Many people think he never stopped killing for all the years he remained dormant before being caught. I'm not so sure. He was very detailed about all his killings during his trial and I believe that if he had killed others he would have boasted about it.

Soon after he started it was reported that some people had been arrested for the Otero murders. He wrote a letter to the paper telling them where to find a message from him. He detailed the killings so they would know it was from the killer. He couldn't stand someone else getting the glory for his killings.

He also wrote a letter to the paper after killing a few people asking how many people he had to kill before he got his name in the paper.

(On a side note: the letter he wrote about needing publicity had been written on a typewriter and copied and recopied and recopied over and over to obscure the typewriter's identity. The police went to Rochester, NY in order to have Xerox help them figure out what kind of copier was used. They were able to finally identify the copier as one in the basement of a nearby college. Unfortunately, that didn't help much.)

His dormancy is very unusual. I don't remember hearing about any other serial killers being quiet for so many years. He didn't start killing again, he just started communicating with police so he could raise the fear level again. His question about floppy disks and the ability to retrieve info from them seems to me like he wanted to be caught.

He also sent a coded message to the paper and after he was caught they re-analyzed the note and discovered his address was in it.

The whole thing is really out of the ordinary for serial killers.
 
Another interesting thing is he had stopped killing for ten years and in 1986 he killed Vicki Wegerle. Vicki had fought so hard against him that she had his skin under her finger nails. I didn't know this, but in 1986 DNA was sophisticated enough to tie the murderer to the Otero murders. Before that was discovered police thought it was the husband doing a copycat crime.

A TV news station did a piece on BTK and asked people what they thought happened to him. One person said they think he was dead. So Rader sends the news Wegerle's driver license and pictures that could have only been taken by the killer.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
Watching something on Dennis Rader (BTK). He's got to be the weirdest serial killer ever. He committed horrendous murders, but he ceased his killings around the times his children were born. Sort of a committed family man serial killer?!

:thinking:

Many people think he never stopped killing for all the years he remained dormant before being caught. I'm not so sure. He was very detailed about all his killings during his trial and I believe that if he had killed others he would have boasted about it.

Soon after he started it was reported that some people had been arrested for the Otero murders. He wrote a letter to the paper telling them where to find a message from him. He detailed the killings so they would know it was from the killer. He couldn't stand someone else getting the glory for his killings.

He also wrote a letter to the paper after killing a few people asking how many people he had to kill before he got his name in the paper.

(On a side note: the letter he wrote about needing publicity had been written on a typewriter and copied and recopied and recopied over and over to obscure the typewriter's identity. The police went to Rochester, NY in order to have Xerox help them figure out what kind of copier was used. They were able to finally identify the copier as one in the basement of a nearby college. Unfortunately, that didn't help much.)

His dormancy is very unusual. I don't remember hearing about any other serial killers being quiet for so many years. He didn't start killing again, he just started communicating with police so he could raise the fear level again. His question about floppy disks and the ability to retrieve info from them seems to me like he wanted to be caught.

He also sent a coded message to the paper and after he was caught they re-analyzed the note and discovered his address was in it.

The whole thing is really out of the ordinary for serial killers.
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Yeah he was different. Going dormant for so long. That is really unheard of. Ridgeway slowed down during his marriage. Of course there are according to him 22 victims unaccounted for. He was going for 100. He said he killed 71. They got him with 48 or 49.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
Another interesting thing is he had stopped killing for ten years and in 1986 he killed Vicki Wegerle. Vicki had fought so hard against him that she had his skin under her finger nails. I didn't know this, but in 1986 DNA was sophisticated enough to tie the murderer to the Otero murders. Before that was discovered police thought it was the husband doing a copycat crime.

A TV news station did a piece on BTK and asked people what they thought happened to him. One person said they think he was dead. So Rader sends the news Wegerle's driver license and pictures that could have only been taken by the killer.
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I believe the first time DNA was used in a trial was 1988.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
Rochester's serial killer Arthur Shawcross: 45 minutes:

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Shawcross. Big talker. "Weapons Specialist" in Vietnam. Pffft. He was a clerk. Even made up gruesome stories. If they would have kept him for his full sentence for the 2 children in Watertown, He wouldn't have been out to kill the women in Rochester. He found out he had a daughter when he was in prison. She knew what he did. She even brought his grandchildren to visit him. He had pictures of them. They woywould send him drawings they did in school. Ugh. I just can't understand that. I think it was short lived. He may have found out about the daughter the same year he died in 2008. He gave me the creeps. He looked like a clown without make up.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
www.nbcnewyork.com

Old DNA Evidence Being Reexamined in Hope of Finally Solving 'Atlanta Child Murders'

Between 1979-1981, at least 29 Black children and young adults — mostly boys — were killed in Atlanta, and the cases have remained unsolved.
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Being he was convicted of the killings of only adults that were down on their luck and some talk of them and Williams cross dressing. And with the children and there was no evidence except carpet fibers from his parents house where he lived. IDK. I don't buy the conspiracy that it was the KKK or even one person. One of the boys ran into a man's truck with a go cart I believe and threatened him in a racial rant. He became one of the victims. A recorded conversation revealed the boy was taken care of or not a problem anymore. I'll try to find more information. I can't remember the details. And there was one girl. I don't think she was killed by the same person. Firstly the other victims were male. Secondly she was raped. Thirdly she was tied to a tree. None of that resembles the other killings. So men, African American boys, One African American girl and the African American men he was convicted of killing. It's way too all over the board. I hope they can get DNA evidence to finally give the families peace they have been living without for so long.
 
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