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DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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No, pretty sure not any TOD that anyone could be sure of. Anything is possible. Imo since he was such a creature of habit as to hanging at the resortt bar most nights, many would know this and likely know the home to be unoccupied if someone wanted to either ransack it or lay in wait for him. I tend to lean towards the fact he worked there, had upset most, ratted on them or so it sounds, and he was upset when other workers stayed on when they went ahead against what it was said were stop work orders basically by officials... I think it relates to this most likely and/or someone followed him from the bar or did lay for him. I don't see honestly why you'd frequent a bar when you are on the outs with the owners and so on. I don't even know though that he WAS there that night, didn't RC think it likely as it was a usual habit for him? He could have went anywhere for all we know or had anything going on OR never went anywhere at all.

I'd have to assume and think LE knows far more than us BUT they've done nothing and charged no one and giving no such further info in 15+ years right? Has anyone tried FOIAs with them? I'd say they'd better get active on these cases, give some info or call them cold and provide what they do have. Not sure it works that way but that's what i'd say should be done at this point.

Has RC or family or anyone gotten someone on these cases? There are several YTers who get after these records, interviews and more and request them, there is also the doc guy who I think is Twitter many of them rely on who gets such stuff.
 
Please let anyone who can get records or files, we want them. Nearly 20 years…
It’s locked down and we aren’t sure when Michael Scott Winters left as sheriff, what he did
With the audiotape copies he had been sent. He confiscated boxes from the detectives. Winters also
Said NO to a Dateline show, without telling the detectives or Dave Lewis family. This cold case needs arrests,
Convictions, handcuffs, prison. Time to think about the horror they did, killing Dave.
 
Regina that is correct. They were found murdered on the same day. However, the medical examiner stated that the timelines of death between the two men, was much closer than originally thought.
Since Troy’s phone had no charge…he may have been alive longer. That the deaths occurred much closer than originally thought. Thank you.
Indeed, that's correct! These two murders did not occur on the same day and it's a fact that must be appreciated.
And based on the facts and circumstances of Troy's death as I understand them to be, he was murdered sometime overnight on the night of the 1st and if you or the medical examiner want to believe it was "closer", "much closer", it's my opinion that you both need to come up with something a heck of a lot better than "his phone had no charge".
You're welcome. (lol)
 
I'd have to refresh on this but I do recall coming to the leaning that they were not connected. I couldn't see any reason at all to think they were. If they are, or are thought to be, then LE knows something we don't. Imo.
 
I'd have to refresh on this but I do recall coming to the leaning that they were not connected. I couldn't see any reason at all to think they were. If they are, or are thought to be, then LE knows something we don't. Imo.
Troy was last seen on 1st Sept at the truckstop at 6 pm and was discovered the same day as Dave, the 4th Sept. So he could have been shot on the 2nd or 3rd IMO which would be just 1 or 2 days different.

We havent heard about ballistics but wasn't Dave shot with his own gun. Can that be confirmed?
 
Hope this helps with some clarification. The Medical Examiners did advise us the deaths were much closer timewise than originally thought. We can’t speak to the science of their forensic exams, but science is accurate.
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Two men were killed sometime in the early hours before dawn on September 4, 2008 within a thirty-five mile radius in Jackson County, Oregon Nearly five years later, ( now 18) both murders remain unsolved and the friends, siblings, parents and families of Dave Lewis and Troy Carney are connected in a way that words can’t reach as both have had to find a way to keep going without any resolution, despite their grief and pain.

It’s been five years ( 18 now ) without closure, but the answers are out there somewhere.

Forty-six year old Dave Lewis lived in a cabin on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road just on the outskirts of Ashland. Photos taken before his murder, captured a man who seemed quick to smile and his obituary noted he was, “intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire.” Dave loved fishing and spending time with his sons.
The first call came in shortly after 2:30 AM on September 4 when a passerby reported a fire on Dead Indian Memorial Road. Fire crews were dispatched and before they were finished cleaning up the site of a burnt vacation home, a second call came in, alerting officials to another fire about five miles up the road. By the time the fire crews arrived at the scene, Dave Lewis’ home was burnt to the ground and within the charred rubble, the crew discovered the body of
this father of three and friend to many. Photos from the crime scene show tall, jagged, burned columns against ash and yellow crime scene tape flapping in the breeze.

Later the sheriff’s office would speculate that Lewis’ killer crept quietly up the mountain road to his cabin, used accelerant to ignite the fire and then slipped away into the dark shadows of the wilderness before being discovered. Investigators found Lewis was killed before the fire was started and it is not clear whether he was killed inside his home or at a separate location. While fire erases clues from a crime scene, it does not erase memories for those who bear witness and investigators know that there were traces and clues left behind.

TROY CARNEY
In his mid-forties, Troy Carney was by all accounts an adventurer. “He was a free spirit,” his mom, Linda Wood said in an email. “He enjoyed the adventures that life had to offer.” Carney traveled the country, often finding day laborer work at truck stops, loading and unloading cargo. He was between jobs, so after spending time with old friends in Medford,Carney telephoned his mom to update her on his plans. He was [going to] “camp out while waiting to get more work on another truck,” she said. That was the last time his mother heard his voice.
Before his death, the last time anyone remembers seeing Carney was on September 1 when a surveillance tape at the Pilot Truck Stop caught him walking away from the building. The Pilot was a place he’d been showing up regularly to eat, use the phones and earn a few dollars doing quick, odd jobs for the truckers. Described as a “likable guy”, Carney was quick to help others. His mother stated,“Troy was killed by someone he had met just a couple day’s before, someone he trusted as a friend and it has to be someone that was camped very near to him cause he would never tell anyone where he was camped, said it was safer that way. That person knew he was supposed to leave town that next morning and he would not have left without saying goodbye to a friend.”
Carney was camping along the edge of the Bear Creek Greenway, a normally tranquil path that follows the creek for a 17 mile stretch from Ashland to Central Point. It is a place that many transients call home and the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office makes semi-annual sweeps and had just rousted campers a few weeks before the murders. Carney might have pitched camp near the Pilot Truck Stop, expecting to catch some quick work and a ride back East, but he never got that chance. Sometime between when he was last seen and on the afternoon of September 4, when a passerby found his body inside his sleeping bag, a killer walked the greenway path. There was no sign of a struggle as Carney was shot in his head while sleeping. Other campers nearby must have heard that shot echo through the darkness of the evening. While investigators have talked to
people who were in the area, they have not been able to root out answers.

The killer did not rob Carney and police have been unable to identify a clear motive for his killing. “Troy was not a drug user,” his mother said. Autopsy results did not find any trace of drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death.

Then in the early morning of September 14, someone set fire to the crime scene and a flames ravaged the area. The rough terrain and wildness of the Greenway prevented firefighters from being able to arrive quickly at the scene. The arsonist was never found.

In 2010, the Jackson County Sheriff’s Department released a statement which says that “through the course of the investigation, an evidentiary link between the two homicides was discovered.” They have not released any information and there is no new information available on either case.
In June 2012, “Fishhook Dave’s” memorial stone was placed against the edge of the bike path along the Greenway and Mountain View Cemetery in Ashland. Standing next to it, one notices the growing birch tree nearby and a spectacular view of the rolling hills off in the distance. The face of a wolf and an eagle’s feather envelopes the words “Beloved son, brother, father, and friend David Edwin Lewis, Aged 46, Born December 23 Wilmington Delaware, Killed September 4, 2008 Dead Indian Road, Ashland Oregon. The most loving man on the mountain. He said it the way it was and it was the way he said.” There is an uneasiness there at the edge of the cemetery where the red winged blackbirds come to rest on the top of the fence, on what should be a sacred and peaceful place, as the community still waits for answers.
 
Hope this helps with some clarification. The Medical Examiners did advise us the deaths were much closer timewise than originally thought. We can’t speak to the science of their forensic exams, but science is accurate.
///

Two men were killed sometime in the early hours before dawn on September 4, 2008 within a thirty-five mile radius in Jackson County, Oregon Nearly five years later, ( now 18) both murders remain unsolved and the friends, siblings, parents and families of Dave Lewis and Troy Carney are connected in a way that words can’t reach as both have had to find a way to keep going without any resolution, despite their grief and pain.

It’s been five years ( 18 now ) without closure, but the answers are out there somewhere.

Forty-six year old Dave Lewis lived in a cabin on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road just on the outskirts of Ashland. Photos taken before his murder, captured a man who seemed quick to smile and his obituary noted he was, “intense and unforgettable, a rascal and a live wire.” Dave loved fishing and spending time with his sons.
The first call came in shortly after 2:30 AM on September 4 when a passerby reported a fire on Dead Indian Memorial Road. Fire crews were dispatched and before they were finished cleaning up the site of a burnt vacation home, a second call came in, alerting officials to another fire about five miles up the road. By the time the fire crews arrived at the scene, Dave Lewis’ home was burnt to the ground and within the charred rubble, the crew discovered the body of
this father of three and friend to many. Photos from the crime scene show tall, jagged, burned columns against ash and yellow crime scene tape flapping in the breeze.

Later the sheriff’s office would speculate that Lewis’ killer crept quietly up the mountain road to his cabin, used accelerant to ignite the fire and then slipped away into the dark shadows of the wilderness before being discovered. Investigators found Lewis was killed before the fire was started and it is not clear whether he was killed inside his home or at a separate location. While fire erases clues from a crime scene, it does not erase memories for those who bear witness and investigators know that there were traces and clues left behind.

TROY CARNEY
In his mid-forties, Troy Carney was by all accounts an adventurer. “He was a free spirit,” his mom, Linda Wood said in an email. “He enjoyed the adventures that life had to offer.” Carney traveled the country, often finding day laborer work at truck stops, loading and unloading cargo. He was between jobs, so after spending time with old friends in Medford,Carney telephoned his mom to update her on his plans. He was [going to] “camp out while waiting to get more work on another truck,” she said. That was the last time his mother heard his voice.
Before his death, the last time anyone remembers seeing Carney was on September 1 when a surveillance tape at the Pilot Truck Stop caught him walking away from the building. The Pilot was a place he’d been showing up regularly to eat, use the phones and earn a few dollars doing quick, odd jobs for the truckers. Described as a “likable guy”, Carney was quick to help others. His mother stated,“Troy was killed by someone he had met just a couple day’s before, someone he trusted as a friend and it has to be someone that was camped very near to him cause he would never tell anyone where he was camped, said it was safer that way. That person knew he was supposed to leave town that next morning and he would not have left without saying goodbye to a friend.”
Carney was camping along the edge of the Bear Creek Greenway, a normally tranquil path that follows the creek for a 17 mile stretch from Ashland to Central Point. It is a place that many transients call home and the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office makes semi-annual sweeps and had just rousted campers a few weeks before the murders. Carney might have pitched camp near the Pilot Truck Stop, expecting to catch some quick work and a ride back East, but he never got that chance. Sometime between when he was last seen and on the afternoon of September 4, when a passerby found his body inside his sleeping bag, a killer walked the greenway path. There was no sign of a struggle as Carney was shot in his head while sleeping. Other campers nearby must have heard that shot echo through the darkness of the evening. While investigators have talked to
people who were in the area, they have not been able to root out answers.

The killer did not rob Carney and police have been unable to identify a clear motive for his killing. “Troy was not a drug user,” his mother said. Autopsy results did not find any trace of drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death.

Then in the early morning of September 14, someone set fire to the crime scene and a flames ravaged the area. The rough terrain and wildness of the Greenway prevented firefighters from being able to arrive quickly at the scene. The arsonist was never found.

In 2010, the Jackson County Sheriff’s Department released a statement which says that “through the course of the investigation, an evidentiary link between the two homicides was discovered.” They have not released any information and there is no new information available on either case.
In June 2012, “Fishhook Dave’s” memorial stone was placed against the edge of the bike path along the Greenway and Mountain View Cemetery in Ashland. Standing next to it, one notices the growing birch tree nearby and a spectacular view of the rolling hills off in the distance. The face of a wolf and an eagle’s feather envelopes the words “Beloved son, brother, father, and friend David Edwin Lewis, Aged 46, Born December 23 Wilmington Delaware, Killed September 4, 2008 Dead Indian Road, Ashland Oregon. The most loving man on the mountain. He said it the way it was and it was the way he said.” There is an uneasiness there at the edge of the cemetery where the red winged blackbirds come to rest on the top of the fence, on what should be a sacred and peaceful place, as the community still waits for answers.
I fail to see the connection between these two men. 35 miles sounds close in one way but also sounds a world away in another way.

Yet they say there is an evidentiary link.

Any thoughts on what?

I think with crimes so old it seems unlikely they will ever be solved, giving out what LE knows is something they should consider. I mean someone has escaped justice for this long already and likely always will if they don't spur something, maybe let some more info out.
 
I thought it was two weeks later. Also the fact he was in a sleeping bag and it was early September may well have compromised his exact TOD.
I think "sometime overnight" is as close to exact as it can be and is what other circumstances support is correct.
We havent heard about ballistics but wasn't Dave shot with his own gun. Can that be confirmed?
I don't recall anything about whose gun but reportedly, the ballistics didn't match.
 
I never thought they were related or saw a connection. However, of course, we don't know what LE does. LE though that to this day has made not a single arrest in either case.
 
^I think I can top that; I never saw a connection between Troy's murder and a fire 2 weeks later!
True. There was also that guy on the trail after work that that other poster was suggesting may tie in. I don't think she was sold on it but did bring it up...

I'd really have to go back and refresh on some things but not sure I will get around to it. I just know I did decide for various reasons that Troy and Dave most likely were not connected. Of course one can't be sure though. I just know it seemed unlikely to me.

Just being talked about in the Buzzard thread about little faith in the CA justice system too...
 
I fail to see the connection between these two men. 35 miles sounds close in one way but also sounds a world away in another way.

Yet they say there is an evidentiary link.

Any thoughts on what?

I think with crimes so old it seems unlikely they will ever be solved, giving out what LE knows is something they should consider. I mean someone has escaped justice for this long already and likely always will if they don't spur something, maybe let some more info out.
I think it might be to do with firewood as i know Dave would make and sell some so it made me wonder if that was a connection. We also have not heard anything about the ballistics regarding Troy. Also sex offenders may be a connection. Some of the relatives Troy stayed with his last night were RSO's and Dave's ex wife married a SO didn't she?
 
I think "sometime overnight" is as close to exact as it can be and is what other circumstances support is correct.

I don't recall anything about whose gun but reportedly, the ballistics didn't match.
Have you got a link re the ballistics?
Apparently nobody heard the shot.
 
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I wonder who the "strong persons of interest" are? This was in 2020.


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Unsolved So. Oregon: From the Ashes


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Last Updated: August 26, 2020
MEDFORD, Ore. –“In this case we have some strong persons of interest. But we just don’t have enough to make a strong criminal case,” said Cpt. Tim Snaith, Jackson Co. Sheriff’s Office.
Two shocking crimes miles apart yet connected.
“I spent many agonizing months investigating this case,” said Cpt. Snaith.
Captain Snaith of the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office won’t disclose the link, but confirms it’s there.
“We investigated both cases very thoroughly and looked for all the similarities and connections. People connections, things connections,” he said.
On September 4th of 2008, Troy Dean Carney was camping on the Bear Creek Greenway near Central Point and Table Rock Road.
The 44-year-old, last seen walking away from Central Point’s ‘Pilot Truck Stop.’
Cpt. Snaith says his body was discovered three days later; there was no sign of a struggle.
“He was asleep in his sleeping bag. We didn’t find anybody who says they heard a gunshot around that time frame,” said Cpt. Snaith.
Investigators searched for clues looking at nearby transient camps abandoned at the sound of police sirens.
At one camp, Cpt. Snaith says a strange item caught their eye, a yellow and black wolverine mask.
You can find it on the cover of the ‘Return of Wolverine’ comic book showing the mutant emerging from flames.
“It was found in the campsite and it was so distinctive, we thought we might be able to locate witnesses or people who were camped there,” said Cpt. Snaith.
Police tracked down the mask’s owner with the help of DNA evidence and questioned him as a person of interest.
As for why the mask was at the campsite in the first place, Cpt. Snaith says, police never asked.
“We did not make any connection,” he said.
The comic book symbol, not the only thing perplexing to investigators about the events of that September day.
“As with a lot of things and any crimes you go to, things are not as they appear,” said Mike Moran, Jackson Co. Sheriff’s Office.
Little did police know, two fires on Dead Indian Memorial Road would spark a nearly 12 year investigation.
The first fire, around 4 am at an empty cabin near Hyatt Lake.
The second, just 3 hours later, a few miles down the road at the home of 46-year-old David Lewis.
“Both blazes were separately and intentionally set which is pretty unusual,” said Moran.
Moran says why a fire erupted at a vacant cabin is something investigators still don’t understand.
The second fire, however, had a more sinister motive.
“The actual cause of death was not fire, but a bullet wound,” he said.
Two men found on the same day both shot to death.
As far as police could determine, Carney and Lewis didn’t know each other.
Just over a week later, a third and final fire sparked in the vicinity where Carney was murdered.
“Why would someone 9 days later start a fire to destroy evidence when they could potentially do it much sooner,” said Cpt. Snaith.
Did the same person start a fire at Lewis’s home and the cabin down the road? Did that person also kill Lewis and Carney using a fire to cover up evidence?
“Only the suspect or eyewitness will have those pieces of information,” said Moran.
Trying to connect the dots today, Moran says, is a fruitless effort. But they’ll never give up hope that one day, someone will come forward.
“It’s very troubling that someone would go to these lengths to commit this crime,” said Moran.
Today, there are no new leads and no new suspects in the murders of Troy Dean Carney or David Lewis.
No one has ever been charged with the crimes.
If you have any information, call the Jackson County tip line at 541-774-8333.

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Destruction of evidence. Same as in Dave's murder.
The same would have been that Troy's body was also burned, so no, it's actually different.
Have you got a link re the ballistics?
Apparently nobody heard the shot.
 
The same would have been that Troy's body was also burned, so no, it's actually different.

Thanks. The scene was destroyed though, the same as Dave. Similar to Dave's and the other cabin being destroyed.

Sounds like the comment about the bullet means it was the same calibre but the gun was different. (The cartidge case markings didn't match.)
 

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