OH BRAYLEN NOBLE: Missing from Toledo, OH - 4 Sept 2020 - Age 3 *Found Deceased*

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Police, firefighters searching Swan Creek near Byrne Road for missing 3-year-old

Toledo Police and Fire & Rescue crews are searching for a 3-year-old boy who went missing at Friday afternoon at Hunter's Ridge Apartments.

According to police, Braylen's mother suspects he fell out of a third-story window.

Crews including divers and K-9 are currently searching in the woods and creek nearby.


TPD, Toledo Fire searching for missing nonverbal 3-year-old

Toledo Police and Fire are searching for a missing 3-year-old boy this afternoon and also are asking for the public's help in locating the missing toddler in south Toledo.
Braylen Noble, 3, was reported missing on Friday from the 3400 block of Gibraltar Heights Drive at the Hunters Ridge apartments. His mother called police to say the boy apparently fell out of a third-floor window and she couldn't find him, police said.

The child last was seen wearing a long-sleeved red and white Mickey Mouse shirt.

Toledo Police and Fire personnel have been searching for the boy since 12:25 p.m. Friday.

Braylen is nonverbal, police said. Toledo Police and Fire personnel are searching the areas of South Byrne Road and Airport Highway, and the area by the apartment complex in the 3400 block of Gibraltar Heights Drive.

Officers and detectives are now conducting door-to-door searches of the entire apartment complex, police said at 2:42 p.m.

Also assisting police and fire personnel with the search are Toledo Metroparks Officers. Teams are conducting an area search of surrounding buildings, dumpsters, under vehicles and more, police say.

Drones have been deployed to assist the search and Toledo Fire and Rescue Department's water rescue unit is also on Swan Creek to help search. K9 units are also being employed to help search.

Police say the child's mother has been taken to the Safety Building as a matter of protocol in such search situations.


MEDIA - BRAYLEN NOBLE: Missing from Toledo, OH since 4 Sept 2020 - Age 3
 
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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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Lots of things can still show "no anatomic cause of death"... Drowning. Suffocation. Poisoning/Overdose (some).

All that pretty much tells us is there was no physical trauma that would have caused death. No skull fracture, no abdominal bleed, no starvation, etc.

And no gross evidence of trauma... Children are "springy" and often sustain no injury when you'd expect them to. But at the same time, I'd expect SOMETHING from a 3rd story fall. A broken arm. A bruised knee. A scraped leg. Something.

Interesting statement about the drowning by the coroner. If there was water in his lungs, that will also need to be tested to see if it matches the water in the pool, or if it was treated/faucet water.
 

Guess Who

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Lots of things can still show "no anatomic cause of death"... Drowning. Suffocation. Poisoning/Overdose (some).

All that pretty much tells us is there was no physical trauma that would have caused death. No skull fracture, no abdominal bleed, no starvation, etc.

And no gross evidence of trauma... Children are "springy" and often sustain no injury when you'd expect them to. But at the same time, I'd expect SOMETHING from a 3rd story fall. A broken arm. A bruised knee. A scraped leg. Something.

Interesting statement about the drowning by the coroner. If there was water in his lungs, that will also need to be tested to see if it matches the water in the pool, or if it was treated/faucet water.
RE the treated faucet water...the pool was probably filled with the same tap water BUT if the pool was not maintained (I think that's a given since they obviously could not see to the bottom or there would have been no question as to if he was there the entire time or not) it would most likely be full of mostly non treated rain water.
 

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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RE the treated faucet water...the pool was probably filled with the same tap water BUT if the pool was not maintained (I think that's a given since they obviously could not see to the bottom or there would have been no question as to if he was there the entire time or not) it would most likely be full of mostly non treated rain water.

Yeah. The pool was closed and not maintained for the past 3 months. It may not have the normal chlorine/chemicals in it, but it's going to be gross and full of microorganisms, dirt particles, etc. Not a match to your typical faucet water.



The apartment's maintenance supervisor told WTOL 11 the pool was open for the season but had to be closed three months ago because of pump issues. He said the pool had been closed this entire time.
 

Guess Who

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Yeah. The pool was closed and not maintained for the past 3 months. It may not have the normal chlorine/chemicals in it, but it's going to be gross and full of microorganisms, dirt particles, etc. Not a match to your typical faucet water.



The apartment's maintenance supervisor told WTOL 11 the pool was open for the season but had to be closed three months ago because of pump issues. He said the pool had been closed this entire time.
so it is possible that the turbidity of the water could have concealed him. Not likely, but is possible.

my pool is only 4 ft deep. When we open it and have the chemicals in balance, but the filter hasn't been able to to filter everything out yet, the water can look clearish, but in reality it is only clear for about 6". I've amazed the kids with throwing stuff in it and have them try to scoop it up and they can't believe how fast it "disappears". That is with using what was left of the previous season's water (usually about 2' ish). I am not saying this is the case, but it is amazing how it can look clear, but isn't in reality. When everything is balanced and the filter has had a couple of days to do it's job, the water is so clear it nearly magnifies any particles that are on the bottom.
 

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Yeah. The pool was closed and not maintained for the past 3 months. It may not have the normal chlorine/chemicals in it, but it's going to be gross and full of microorganisms, dirt particles, etc. Not a match to your typical faucet water.



The apartment's maintenance supervisor told WTOL 11 the pool was open for the season but had to be closed three months ago because of pump issues. He said the pool had been closed this entire time.
Open for the season but closed for the last 3 month???? That is pretty much THE season!
 

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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so it is possible that the turbidity of the water could have concealed him. Not likely, but is possible.

I might be able to believe that if the pool hadn't been halfway drained with a DIVER in the water and cadaver dogs on the property.

I absolutely believe your information about not being able to see clearly. I really do. And I believe that's probably the case, that the water was not clear and they could not see properly. But I still can't wrap my mind around them missing him with the way they were searching.

Also, like GrandmaBear said, what led them to put divers in a locked, gated, closed pool? A statement somebody made? Just precautionary? And why not just drain the dang thing. It's not that big.

I will have to re-evaluate everything I know about everything if this is ruled an accidental drowning in that pool.

Post from first search of the pool. Barely ankle deep on that end.
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GrandmaBear

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The pool allegedly was up and running earlier in the summer like about June it sounded like but because of an issue, it was shut down. It is said it was 1/2 drained or 1/2 full. Searchers and apartment residents have said there is no way he was in here prior, that everyone checked it, looked, etc... as did the LE lady stress that it had been checked thoroughly more than once and she stressed names like the FBI, LE, and more...

I am pretty sure the fire department does the initial fill where I am familiar with them. It is why often it is not open right on time before Memorial Day as it is scheduled along with tons of others around.

I think there are some pics out there with it 1/2 full and it does not look very full of anything and it looks pretty clear. If it was simply drained down, it could still have chlorine...?

I guess either way, I sense they are positive this child was not in there prior. They did everything but shout it almost, including LE... Residents said the same, everyone has checked there. So unless someone was holding him alive or he was running around on his own for days on end without anyone sighting him (and I don't believe that), I don't see him drowning in there the night before or yesterday...

It is interesting they mention drowning though and it is interesting the pool seemed to be a thing from early on. I wonder if someone during questioning didn't center on water or the pool...?

ETA: I see other posts since I was working on this one so this may be repeating what has been said.
 

GrandmaBear

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Lots of things can still show "no anatomic cause of death"... Drowning. Suffocation. Poisoning/Overdose (some).

All that pretty much tells us is there was no physical trauma that would have caused death. No skull fracture, no abdominal bleed, no starvation, etc.

And no gross evidence of trauma... Children are "springy" and often sustain no injury when you'd expect them to. But at the same time, I'd expect SOMETHING from a 3rd story fall. A broken arm. A bruised knee. A scraped leg. Something.

Interesting statement about the drowning by the coroner. If there was water in his lungs, that will also need to be tested to see if it matches the water in the pool, or if it was treated/faucet water.

On the face of the report thus far, it would appear this child did not fall or jump from this window... I agree that one would think he would show some sign of that?
 

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I might be able to believe that if the pool hadn't been halfway drained with a DIVER in the water and cadaver dogs on the property.

I absolutely believe your information about not being able to see clearly. I really do. And I believe that's probably the case, that the water was not clear and they could not see properly. But I still can't wrap my mind around them missing him with the way they were searching.

Also, like GrandmaBear said, what led them to put divers in a locked, gated, closed pool? A statement somebody made? Just precautionary? And why not just drain the dang thing. It's not that big.

I will have to re-evaluate everything I know about everything if this is ruled an accidental drowning in that pool.

Post from first search of the pool. Barely ankle deep on that end.
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I'm not buying it in this particular case, either, but we all know weird s--t happens all the time!

i would be interested in how long the coroner thinks he was in the water. Skin condition should be able to tell approximately that.
 

GrandmaBear

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I am not buying that, either. Not without some sort of something to show for it.
Yeah, I was really hoping they would share more than they did. People are wondering too if he was wrapped in anything or just found, what he was dressed in, etc... Clearly they know some of that or like you say how long he may have been in the water and have some idea...
 

GrandmaBear

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“But we do want to reiterate that the area was searched numerous times by Toledo Fire and Rescue, the FBI, private search groups, and both live and cadaver dogs.”

This is not my go to site generally, but it covers this pretty well and I had not until last night watched LE either, the LE woman stresses this like twice I think and you can watch her here too... Once I watched her twice, this seemed to me like a clear message... The article here seems to indicate noticing the same thing...

Adding it here for the record, I don't think this has been posted prior... Note "reiterate"...

 

Kimster

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I think a fall or even a jump from a window would show something. On the other hand, a child can have a very huge head injury or fracture with no outward sign so I still think the window fall story may have been to cover whatever the concern was by whomever did whatever...

The other thing is this entire pool thing and drowning... Again, was drowning or water necessary to cover something that really happened...?

Not accusing anyone in particular as it seems anyhow that there are a few people involved here or who could be/or not be. Just speculation.

I do remember the mom being upset they were not going down the road and checking like other apartment buildings, pools, etc. She also made a remark that they were busy questioning her when someone apparently saw him at the playground... (Per Truecrime Society info)...

I also wonder if there were any marks, say marks around the neck just as an example, if this quickly they can just not say it was the cause of death... So perhaps there is no obvious cause but maybe there are things not shared, they just can't be sure they caused the actual death... YET.

It just seems the window fall is/was necessary for some reason and it could simply be because of cameras known to be elsewhere or someone believing he was in his room when he was not or to cover some injury... And then it seems this child was moved or had not yet been taken out of the building...

Just thoughts. This one is very going to be very different or so it appears.

And yet, another innocent lost his life regardless of how or why or who. Poor baby.
Could it be that he actually got by them and ran down to the pool and they thought the only way he could have gotten out was through the window?

The autopsy will clear all this up.
 

GrandmaBear

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Could it be that he actually got by them and ran down to the pool and they thought the only way he could have gotten out was through the window?

The autopsy will clear all this up.
I don't know. I have thought of that this morning too, what if they come back and say accidental drowning in pool, he simply got out... I don't think I could buy it after this length of time... And other things...

I keep looking at and thinking of that pool and its size and the ones I know of and honestly even if murky (which it does not look to be), a team of maybe six people hand in hand (or more, just a guess) could walk it and ensure nothing is in there... They had divers and more. Residents claimed they looked more than once. And then there is the stress by LE how well it was searched and by how many...

If he simply got by them and ended up in the pool, found the first day or two, maybe... If that even was the case, the window story was a really dumb move imo. Just having been honest at worst would be neglect maybe? And even in such a case, many are not charged for various reasons... I mean clearly in such a case there is no murderous intent, parents need support and high needs children take a lot of attention...

The entire thing is just odd.. And he still would have had to get out of the apartment door, out through probably lobby doors or at least some exit door, where someone was apt to be, then probably across a yard and into the pool somehow all with no one seeing him...
 

Kimster

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I don't know. I have thought of that this morning too, what if they come back and say accidental drowning in pool, he simply got out... I don't think I could buy it after this length of time... And other things...

I keep looking at and thinking of that pool and its size and the ones I know of and honestly even if murky (which it does not look to be), a team of maybe six people hand in hand (or more, just a guess) could walk it and ensure nothing is in there... They had divers and more. Residents claimed they looked more than once. And then there is the stress by LE how well it was searched and by how many...

If he simply got by them and ended up in the pool, found the first day or two, maybe... If that even was the case, the window story was a really dumb move imo. Just having been honest at worst would be neglect maybe? And even in such a case, many are not charged for various reasons... I mean clearly in such a case there is no murderous intent, parents need support and high needs children take a lot of attention...

The entire thing is just odd.. And he still would have had to get out of the apartment door, out through probably lobby doors or at least some exit door, where someone was apt to be, then probably across a yard and into the pool somehow all with no one seeing him...
I think it's really odd that they were searching there, but maybe they did because so many kids that are missing are found in the water.
 

GrandmaBear

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I think it's really odd that they were searching there, but maybe they did because so many kids that are missing are found in the water.
Yeah, the focus on it seemed a bit strange, not unusual to search, just seemed to be so "pointed out". There sure have been a ton in the past few months found in water, that's one thought that crossed my mind (sorry to say but a copycat thing?)... Some were dismissed as accidents, some have not been... Or just that kids are likely attracted to water and parks for instance at such an age... Or there is more to it, they had more reason than we know for thinking this... One thing we have not heard is what camera footage may have shown or not shown... Apparently there were some cameras, not sure where and how many but I did read there were some...
 

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I don't know. I have thought of that this morning too, what if they come back and say accidental drowning in pool, he simply got out... I don't think I could buy it after this length of time... And other things...

I keep looking at and thinking of that pool and its size and the ones I know of and honestly even if murky (which it does not look to be), a team of maybe six people hand in hand (or more, just a guess) could walk it and ensure nothing is in there... They had divers and more. Residents claimed they looked more than once. And then there is the stress by LE how well it was searched and by how many...

If he simply got by them and ended up in the pool, found the first day or two, maybe... If that even was the case, the window story was a really dumb move imo. Just having been honest at worst would be neglect maybe? And even in such a case, many are not charged for various reasons... I mean clearly in such a case there is no murderous intent, parents need support and high needs children take a lot of attention...

The entire thing is just odd.. And he still would have had to get out of the apartment door, out through probably lobby doors or at least some exit door, where someone was apt to be, then probably across a yard and into the pool somehow all with no one seeing him...
oh, it's definitely murky! pic from above post. Notice how you can't even see any of his pole or even to his ankles? We should be able to see the bottom of his bright orange/red pants. All we can see is the reflection from the top on the surface. Not saying that he was there the entire time and didn't find him, but that pool definitely is majorly murky.

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GrandmaBear

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oh, it's definitely murky! pic from above post. Notice how you can't even see any of his pole or even to his ankles? We should be able to see the bottom of his bright orange/red pants. All we can see is the reflection from the top on the surface. Not saying that he was there the entire time and didn't find him, but that pool definitely is majorly murky.

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I think I see the bottom of his legs but I agree it isn't very bright or clear, more like shadow, I never really paid attention to that so that does show it is not crystal clear. I guess what I mean is thinking of like pond scum, green gross water, leaves, growth, muck--it is not the kind of dirty I would think of to hinder thorough searching. It also makes me wonder if it was not in use were they still keeping it free of leaves, etc...? I see your point totally, I just still don't see him missed in thorough searches in something like that or of that level water in a standard apartment sized pool which it looks to be.
 

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