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ANNA KEPNER: Teen found dead on Carnival cruise ship *ARREST!*

GrandmaBear said:
They'd been split up he said about six months. I've heard she was 17 and he 15 I think. To be clear I am talking of her ex bf, not her alleged murderer stepbrother. Just to keep it clear in the thread since the various families and kids make it a bit confusing.
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She never broke up with the step brother as far as I know of. I've never seen anything about them dating.
 
GrandmaBear said:
A bar hold is imo the forearm. You know if you are leaning on the bottom of your arm? From your elbow to your hand?

I guess I pic him doing that from on top of her just probably because he was allegedly on top of her once in their home. It would also be a position from which to try to get clothes off or rape sadly. That's what I envision. Of course she could have been trying to run from him and he did a bar hold catching her from behind as well...
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That is exactly what a bar hold is. Your arm is the bar that is forced upon the neck.
 
Guess Who said:
That is exactly what a bar hold is. Your arm is the bar that is forced upon the neck.
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I know. I picture him above her with his weight bearing on the arm. On the bed most likely. It could have been from behind though too.

she'd have a better chance though if standing than him on top of her with his full body and weight, etc.

Hate talking so graphic but it's what it is.

I would also imagine she fought back in any way she could. I expect she will have his DNA under her nails I'd think. I wonder if he had any injuries...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Whoa. I wondered if all the kids were with and the younger two might have been with the parents... There are two age 9 I think, one from each of the "parents" here. I also doubt ALL of her kids were with as the 18 year old stays with the dad but all the minors probably were though...

You know, I am sticking with this being a very bad decision by the parents, a fatal one, but at times I can believe some real naivete was part of it... But I mean do they live in the real world and pay attention to things?? These are teen stepchildren thrown together... Reportedly, Shauntel claims they tried to keep her older son from jumping out of a car because she would not let him stay with his girlfriend. He was 18 it seems, the one who lives with dad by choice. Yet Shauntel THEN lets her 16 year old son share a room with 18 year old Anna? That doesn't make any sense to me... In one case, she says no way and in the other she throws the kids together in a small stateroom...
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I blame both parents that were on the cruise for the situation to be able to happen. My girls both had very close male friends that went with us many places and I would never, ever think of them not being in the same room as I was in, especially when they got older. Even when it was with their cousins. No matter how well those kids got along, or not, this was not a smart plan at all.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I know. I picture him above her with his weight bearing on the arm. On the bed most likely. It could have been from behind though too.

she'd have a better chance though if standing than him on top of her with is full body and weight, etc.

Hate talking so graphic but it's what it is.

I would also imagine she fought back in any way she could. I expect she will have his DNA under her nails I'd think. I wonder if he had any injuries...
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I don't think they would have called it that if it was from behind, unless it happened with her facing down. Your weight doesn't bear down from behind. The bar and weight is how bar hold gets it's name.
 
Guess Who said:
I blame both parents that were on the cruise for the situation to be able to happen. My girls both had very close male friends that went with us many places and I would never, ever think of them not being in the same room as I was in, especially when they got older. Even when it was with their cousins. No matter how well those kids got along, or not, this was not a smart plan at all.
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I think you know I agree. I've said it with my daughters and stepson. They are all GOOD kids and I would never create or cause such a situation. They are still teens, unrelated. None of us have raised teens before before we did and still we know that--we were teens ourselves is one way parents should know that... Three marriages? A babysitter? Her dad should definitely KNOW that. Probably didn't care one bit or worry about it.

And it's one thing with teens who MIGHT be attracted to one another, that's risky enough, but in this case, he reportedly was obsessed with her and she was scared of him.

Every which way from Friday this was just wrong.
 
Guess Who said:
I don't think they would have called it that if it was from behind, unless it happened with her facing down. Your weight doesn't bear down from behind. The bar and weight is how bar hold gets it's name.
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Yeah I agree. I saw some people (not on here but in YT comments, etc.) though thinking it was from behind like while standing. I mean you could still bar the throat that way, but I think he was on top of her.
 
Guess Who said:
A bar hold is VERY up close and personal, too. That's evil IF this is what actually happened.
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Well it is what the cause of death says... Or manner... I get such mixed up lol.

Another evil move is kneeling on a chest with full body weight.

Yeah, this 16 year old just doing the things said, even prior, was clearly trouble and it is hard to buy mom and stepdad did not know it... He also clearly had not a stable life, look at his parents going at each other in court... I'm not excusing him whatsoever but am saying what a messed up bunch...
 
I never finished listening to the one I linked here before I kind of fell off for the day. Listening to the rest of it now and man......

I understand the FBI is going to do this right as to arrest and not going to say anything either but it irks me this "kid" is free. I mean I guess he is not in a way by staying with a relative and probably hiding out as well but still not under arrest...

The other overwhelming feeling I can't let go of is how Anna had her whole life ahead of her, was going to graduate this year and despite this messed up family thing/dynamics, was a great student and from all accounts, going somewhere with her life.

So sad.
 
Tresir said:
I am wondering whether there were interviews of the 16 year old without a legal rep. If he was as upset as we are hearing then what he said may not be admissable, especially if he is having memory problems now.
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I don't think that I've heard that, his upset/memory problems but then been a bit behind last day or two. Can you tell me more?

I have wondered if mom let her talk to them without her. His being a minor changes things up some.
 
Tresir said:
Ok so he is the stepmother's son, the one that raised Anna? So these two were raised together pretty much?
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Lol, no. It is confusing I know. I'm not having trouble with it but then I was early on following it all.

Just take the one that raised Anna out of the equation. This wife is recent, she did not raise her.

And these kids were not raised together. Does that help?

Anna DOES have a 14 year old brother who was on the cruise who the stepmom you are thinking of helped raise along with Anna, but he is not the suspect. He did share the room though too. He was out of the room when it happened.
 
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