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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers.

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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I just watched a documentary about a case I NEVER heard about. That's correct. I'll give a little information first. Good Lord. Get ready. Hold on to something. "Donna Perry". Washington state. 1990. Wow. 3 "prostitutes" are killed. Their word. 2 white, One black. This will matter later. Its just. O.K. DNA is found, But not advanced enough to test. That's what they said. Their words. Breasts and privates displayed obviously on purpose. This will matter too. This is so. I was glad they did focus on the victims, And told the situation and history of their lives. Fast forward to 2000. This will matter. A woman is spotted in a gun store from an off duty police officer. He can tell this woman should NOT have possession of firearms. So she record. A hit cones back from CODIS. To the DNA that had been run since of the killings of the sex workers. Her name is "Donna Perry". Well "Donna" Was "Douglas" In 1990. That's right. In 2000, "Douglas" Had a sex change. A full sex change. Reassignment. Her interrogation. She didn't kill anyone. She doesn't remember. She wasn't going to prostitutes. "Douglas" was then. Was adamant the whole time. Pictures of the three women. Nope. Never was them before. And "I Would never date a black girl". You just said YOU. She said "Douglas was left in Saigon". This was his way of removing himself from the crimes, And apparently always the objective. The displaying of the breasts and privates was because he felt these women didn't deserve to be because of what they were doing. Dad started raping him at 3 until his death when Douglas was 7. Cruelty to animals. Liked guns. Had a history of gun charges. I have NEVER heard this or ANYTHING LIKE IT BEFORE!!!!! THAT IS A PERFECT example of a CLUSTERF***K!!!
 
I just watched a documentary about a case I NEVER heard about. That's correct. I'll give a little information first. Good Lord. Get ready. Hold on to something. "Donna Perry". Washington state. 1990. Wow. 3 "prostitutes" are killed. Their word. 2 white, One black. This will matter later. Its just. O.K. DNA is found, But not advanced enough to test. That's what they said. Their words. Breasts and privates displayed obviously on purpose. This will matter too. This is so. I was glad they did focus on the victims, And told the situation and history of their lives. Fast forward to 2000. This will matter. A woman is spotted in a gun store from an off duty police officer. He can tell this woman should NOT have possession of firearms. So she record. A hit cones back from CODIS. To the DNA that had been run since of the killings of the sex workers. Her name is "Donna Perry". Well "Donna" Was "Douglas" In 1990. That's right. In 2000, "Douglas" Had a sex change. A full sex change. Reassignment. Her interrogation. She didn't kill anyone. She doesn't remember. She wasn't going to prostitutes. "Douglas" was then. Was adamant the whole time. Pictures of the three women. Nope. Never was them before. And "I Would never date a black girl". You just said YOU. She said "Douglas was left in Saigon". This was his way of removing himself from the crimes, And apparently always the objective. The displaying of the breasts and privates was because he felt these women didn't deserve to be because of what they were doing. Dad started raping him at 3 until his death when Douglas was 7. Cruelty to animals. Liked guns. Had a history of gun charges. I have NEVER heard this or ANYTHING LIKE IT BEFORE!!!!! THAT IS A PERFECT example of a CLUSTERF***K!!!
Wow. That's just about unbelievable. I'd even wonder about the mind that could make it up as a fiction book. Kind of unreal hardly heard of but then considering the prostitutes and the sex changed perp, maybe it isn't such a surprise it isn't well known. If it was some nutty blonde who was on wheel of fortune, in a pageant and a body building contest/pageant, who killed her kids and decided to start a cult, well then they'd be all over it ya know. Or some rich woman who put out a hit on her husband Or some woman who bought a million dollar plus home to flip and wrote a children's book on grief over the hub she killed and gave him a Moscow Mule (even though he is Mormom and Mormons don't drink alcohol) laced with fentanyl. Don't get me wrong, they interest me too so i can't say they don't grab one's interest but SO would the one you are talking of. HAD I seen it.
 
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HEY! Easy on the blondes there.
LIor is no natural blonde. And with that simple and short argument I rest my case that I never insulted true blondes.

The woman was bleaching Tylee's hair when she was a young child as well. Apparently she has some twisted belief about blondes and the need to be one. Maybe the voices told her through her portal or her visions when she died on the table having Tylee (lie from all we have heard) that they must be blonde... She keeps it up even in jail so she is resoruceful one must give her that....
 
LIor is no natural blonde. And with that simple and short argument I rest my case that I never insulted true blondes.

The woman was bleaching Tylee's hair when she was a young child as well. Apparently she has some twisted belief about blondes and the need to be one. Maybe the voices told her through her portal or her visions when she died on the table having Tylee (lie from all we have heard) that they must be blonde... She keeps it up even in jail so she is resoruceful one must give her that....
Well. O.K. Then.
 
I just ran across this. How awful. There is nothing to solve this. LE either lazy, Irresponsible with evidence, Lost evidence l. Or all of the above. Most likely the killer is deceased. They could never tie anyone to the murder. I wonder how deep they delved. Any similar crimes in the state or country. I know they weren't connected then. But I don't think everything was done at the time that could have been. They did clear some suspects.
 

I have a different take on "Aileen Wournos". This only gives a brief synopsis. At 13 she was gang raped. She got pregnant. Got kicked out of her grandparents home and was living in the woods in Michigan. I watched the documentary about her. IMO. Her being abused by customers and childhood experiences. She never had a positive experience. And her statements. She was truly mentally ill. Eventhough she may not have been raped. I believe in her mmind, She thought she was. When she was speaking. And not making sense. Prison guards were in the background laughing. The song she loved was "Carnival". I love it too. Her only person who cared was her childhood friend "Dawn". They interviewed her birth mother. She denied everything. And had no emotion. Didn't give a dam at all.
 

Most know I agree with the death penalty. But I would never go to tbe outside of a prison cheering it on. I don't understand that. I clap, And say good. It's about time. And if it was someone who killed someone I cared about. I would be at the execution. It's a link. People with signs. Singing. Uh uh. At old prisons when hanging was the way executions were carried out, Were usually on a Sunday. People would bring picnics, Make a day out of it. And watch the hanging. That's entertainment?. I call it justice.
 
Most know I agree with the death penalty. But I would never go to tbe outside of a prison cheering it on. I don't understand that. I clap, And say good. It's about time. And if it was someone who killed someone I cared about. I would be at the execution. It's a link. People with signs. Singing. Uh uh. At old prisons when hanging was the way executions were carried out, Were usually on a Sunday. People would bring picnics, Make a day out of it. And watch the hanging. That's entertainment?. I call it justice.
I agree with the DP as do you. I believe we are similar, it has to be in a case where evidence is very conclusive. Even so, I could not be the one to flip the switch and I am also not sure I could be on a DP jury. That may make me sound a hypocrite but I don't want to be the "judger" (juror in such a case) or the executioner but I agree with it. Celebrating outside or like in the old west as seen in westerns bringing a picnic like some town event I fail to understand and never will. I think of our case and let's say the baby killer was put to death, I think I would possibly attend but I'm not sure either. It is easy for me to say I would. I believe I would. I would look him right in his eyes if he looked at me and let him know with my eyes that he did this and he is getting what he deserves and never blink nor look away. I am pretty sure I would. I have seen four people die and it was horrible, loved ones. I don't think though seeing someone who tortured, abused or hurt or killed a loved one would be that way. I'll never know of course so all I can do is guess if I would attend or how I would feel.

Others I know wouid disagree and that's fine. We all have our reasons and different experiences. I believe in forgiveness but I have NONE for him. IF he had faced it and admitted to it and apologized, I wonder if I could do it, not sure.

Aileen Wuornos is a tough one, I have always thought so as well. You never have sympathy for a serial killer, etc. or someone that killed so I know for you to feel her case is different says something.

She did kill though. Several. Life sh*t on her terribly no doubt. Could she have used help throughout her llife? Most definitely. Would she have killed again in the same circumstances? Probably.
 
So ... Some recent BTK news.

Thought this task force story is coming along nicely. Scroll down for more interviews w/ BTK's daughter.


8/24 BTK was named prime suspect in 2 more murders.

9/11 TASK FORCE ANNOUNCED

on 9/15, BTK daughter is interviewed on how she helped the police nail her dad on 2 more murders.

NewsNation Ashley Banfield - VIDEO Interview w/ Kerri Rawson, BTK daughter HERE:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/full-interview-btks-daughter-kerri-rawson-reveals-details-behind-bondage-photos-banfield/8962819/

TASK FORCE HERE:
https://www.ocso.net/sheriff-virden-national-btk-task-force-cold-case-pawhuska/

Two NY times articles here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/btk-killer-dennis-rader-kansas.html

Over the course of a three-hour interview in the El Dorado Correctional Facility in El Dorado, Kan., Mr. Rader, a notorious and elusive serial killer known as B.T.K. who is serving 10 consecutive life terms, went into excruciating detail as he recounted the nearly dozen horrific murders he had committed in and around Kansas. But before Sheriff Virden left the prison, Mr. Rader offered up a final, strange piece of information.

Sheriff Virden said Mr. Rader told him there was one “fantasy” he never managed to pull off: kidnapping a girl from a laundromat.
Officials now believe that was not true.


This week, Mr. Rader was named the primary suspect in two unsolved cases: Cynthia Kinney, a 16-year-old girl who worked at a laundromat and disappeared in 1976 from Pawhuska, Okla., in Osage County; and Shawna Beth Garber, a 22-year-old woman whose body was discovered in 1990 in Lanagan, Mo.


Mr. Rader toyed with residents of Wichita, Kan., for three decades using letters, poems and packages. He insisted that the public call him B.T.K., for his systematic approach: bind, torture and kill.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/us/btk-daughter-dennis-rader-kerri-rawson.html
Over the course of two visits, Ms. Rawson asked her father about Ms. Kinney, and other possible victims, and about locations that investigators were interested in. She also asked about the “project names” he had given his crimes in diary entries. But she never used the word murder.


Mr. Rader is escorted into the El Dorado Correctional Facility in El Dorado, Kan., in August 2005. He is serving 10 consecutive life terms at the facility.Credit...Larry W.


“I just called it B.T.K.,” she said. “I was like, were you doing B.T.K. at this time?”
“We were having very open discussions,” she said. “I think he actually appreciated it. He knew I took the time to do the research and study and have a conversation with him about it. He’ll call you out on it if you go in there and don’t know your stuff. He won’t talk to you.”
The second time, she was even more prepared.
“It wasn’t going to work if I was going to go be upset, or I was going to be mad,” she said. “I literally just went in there very clear and focused.”
Last month, Mr. Rader was named the primary suspect in two unsolved cases — in part, the authorities said, because of Ms. Rawson’s contributions.
In addition to Ms. Kinney, the authorities in Osage County believe Mr. Rader is responsible for the murder of Shawna Beth Garber, a 22-year-old woman whose body was found in McDonald County, Mo., in 1990.
Ms. Rawson has gone on multiple ride-alongs with law enforcement, pointing out familiar points from her childhood in Kansas and Missouri that could offer more clues.

One of those visits included Pineville, Mo. The law enforcement team came on a stream that Ms. Rawson recognized as a fishing hole she had visited with her father.
Ms. Garber’s body had been discovered just up the road.
Now, Ms. Rawson is part of a national task force created by the Osage County Sheriff’s Office to examine the Kinney case. But it is not the only case she and law enforcement are looking into: At least four cases are being re-examined for connections with Mr. Rader, and there could be more.

More linkies - Kerri Rawson interviews:



 
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So ... Some recent BTK news.

Thought this task force story is coming along nicely. Scroll down for more interviews w/ BTK's daughter.


8/24 BTK was named prime suspect in 2 more murders.

9/11 TASK FORCE ANNOUNCED

on 9/15, BTK daughter is interviewed on how she helped the police nail her dad on 2 more murders.

NewsNation Ashley Banfield - VIDEO Interview w/ Kerri Rawson, BTK daughter HERE:

https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/full-interview-btks-daughter-kerri-rawson-reveals-details-behind-bondage-photos-banfield/8962819/

TASK FORCE HERE:
https://www.ocso.net/sheriff-virden-national-btk-task-force-cold-case-pawhuska/

Two NY times articles here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/btk-killer-dennis-rader-kansas.html








https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/15/us/btk-daughter-dennis-rader-kerri-rawson.html


More linkies - Kerri Rawson interviews:


Thank you so very much @Olenna
 

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