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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers.

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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Right, I know that, I should have said "statically speaking" but I need to correct my info that she was the last known victim- she was the 8th but he did take her body from her home; he took it to his church and afterward, dumped it elsewhere. Now, had he not gone to the church, I think he still would have dumped her body away from her home simply because her murder occurred too close to his own home.
Same with the last known victim, that is, if the info's correct that she lived only a mile and a half from Rader.
Jumping in the middle. Was she the neighbor?.
 
I don't know if it was in that article or not- among other things, I was experiencing some sort of dyslexia with my reading comprehension, lol!- but good questions, why would he take such an offer but also, why would they make the offer in the first place? I suppose it could be that amnesty could simply mean he'd be spared court appearances/proceedings...or maybe Missouri and/or Oklahoma were death penalty states but he'd avoid the death penalty, I really don't know.
But hey, one reason he wouldn't take the offer is simply that he didn't actually commit the crime(s), right?! And you're right, there'd have to be evidence in addition to a confession, which wouldn't doesn't exist if he actually didn't do it. Now in the Kinney case, though, if he led to her body, that'd certainly be conclusive of his guilt. As for the Garber case, I'm not aware of any evidence that could link him conclusively.
IDK Anout Oklahoma l. But Missouri still is a death penalty state. The whole country should be. And bring back more painful methods than euthanasia. Please.
 
Did it say that? I'm sure it did, and I see that I need to sloooow down and actually read the material rather than just skim through.
But indeed, I'd picked-up on that last part of your post; I'd just watched the video of the court proceeding where he was charged with the 10 counts and listened his walkthrough of the crimes and realized that no, he didn't actually sexually assault the victims, that it was only after they were dead- or he thought they were- that he derived pleasure from the scene, itself. From what I've seen in other cases, that's not actually unusual.
What I don't understand- and no one does- not even the killers, themselves- is why they can't allow their sick fantasies to remain a fantasy!
It's escalation. For instance "Bundy". He started as a teenager peeping. But before that, He had to have harbored fantasies. He is suspected of being responsible for the disappearance of a girl who lived close when he was 14. So peeping and masturbation wasn't enough anymore. The fantasies weren't enough. Then usually the next step is rape, And/or kidnapping. They've thought and planned it a long time. Then he did break and enter to kill on the spot, Attack or kidnap. He said at the end in the 3rd person profiling, But referring to himself. They would be looking for someone who has killed in 3 digits. "Ridgeway". Was convicted of 49. The death penalty was taken off the table as part of a plea deal to lead investigators to more bodies than they had discovered. But not all apparently. He should have been killed on the spot as far as I am concerned. He's a real POS!!! They were just "Whores". But he went to THEM for sex!!! The sight of him enrages me. He went back to bodies for sex so he "Didn't have to pay for sex again". Quote, Yes. He later said 70 sounded about right. He wet the bed. His mother ridiculed him. He started wanting to have sex with her around puberty. "Bundy" Did torture animals. At an early age he liked to scare people. Serial killers start somewhere. There are always early signs. At the end they are whiney little b*tches. Bundy was, Gacy, Apparently little Gary was scared. Awwww....
 
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I don't know if it was in that article or not- among other things, I was experiencing some sort of dyslexia with my reading comprehension, lol!- but good questions, why would he take such an offer but also, why would they make the offer in the first place? I suppose it could be that amnesty could simply mean he'd be spared court appearances/proceedings...or maybe Missouri and/or Oklahoma were death penalty states but he'd avoid the death penalty, I really don't know.
But hey, one reason he wouldn't take the offer is simply that he didn't actually commit the crime(s), right?! And you're right, there'd have to be evidence in addition to a confession, which wouldn't doesn't exist if he actually didn't do it. Now in the Kinney case, though, if he led to her body, that'd certainly be conclusive of his guilt. As for the Garber case, I'm not aware of any evidence that could link him conclusively.
Yeah it could be because he didn't commit them. It also could be that he has life sentences in Kansas and could face the death penalty in Missouri but if they are offering amnesty, I'd think he wouldn't have to worry about that.

I take amnesty to mean the sentences he already has would remain but they'd not try him or convicted him on these new ones if he confesses. That is what I'd think anyone would assume they mean so I think it likely means that BUT they don't explain it so who knows... I'd guess the reason they offer it is so they can get answers to cases and victim families that they have never been able to find/get.

Kerri is ocnvinced he did Garber and if there is no evidence, she doesn't seem to think that. She thinks the FBI should get involved and all should be tested etc. but she also thinks there is some blanket that per the LE lady doesn't exist or they have no knowledge of. I don't know who to believe any longer but I don't think she knows the laws like she maybe thinks she does. Nor do I but can they even do what she says should be done. Do they need cause? I have no idea. And you say there isn't anything so what is it she refers to that should be tested? Were there things found with the victim or is she talking of trophies dug up of Rader's? I have no idea. She probably said but I can't recall or maybe she didn't and just stated there things that should be tested. And I believe there is now a third being looked at or maybe it was the second she was referring to when she said she just found they are looking at another. Can't keep up these days.

He did make some journal entry of "bad laundry day" or something like that...

I guess in her defense they DO seem to be looking into these and if they offered him amnesty then there IS something going on. And they DID dig up and find things of his, etc.

I DO believe the one sheriff did say he thinks Rader is responsible, and I think it was for Garber but again, not sure which.

I don't know, I"m muddled but yeah, they'd need more than his confession I think to conclude anything.
 
Yeah, that was the ***er murders (in Wichita, 1987, I think) a crime very much like Rader's but authorities knew it wasn't a "BTK" case because they were quickly onto an obvious suspect. (If you hadn't heard of the case, it's very interesting. One thing that that perp did exactly like Rader was that he'd parked his car nearby and left the scene in the victim's car.)
It could be inaccurate but I read somewhere that BTK notified either authorities or media that the guy police arrested didn't do it, that he did it.
Is there some reason the name of that case can't be shared?

Are we talking of two things/cases here? One that Rader told police he did and they had the wrong guy and one in which he said the guy that did it, which wasn't him, did good work?
 
Right, I know that, I should have said "statically speaking" but I need to correct my info that she was the last known victim- she was the 8th but he did take her body from her home; he took it to his church and afterward, dumped it elsewhere. Now, had he not gone to the church, I think he still would have dumped her body away from her home simply because her murder occurred too close to his own home.
Same with the last known victim, that is, if the info's correct that she lived only a mile and a half from Rader.
Yeah it would make them found not to close to his home but you'd think they'd look at people around her including neighbors as to who may have done it. And a chance in MO too, not leaving them in their own homes.
 
"Jodie Foster" Was in "Silence of the Lambs". It was that annoying "Julianne Moore" (Scientologist). I didn't like her before. She was fired once for "Bad acting". I'm serious. I'm not jabbing you. I just can't stand hher.The movie "Hannibal", Was too much for me. I think Gary Oldman is a great actor. And Anthony Hopkins is amazing. But Oldman cutting off his face and feeding it to a dog. And having a drugged up Ray Liotta, Rest in Peace. At the dinner table eating his own brain. Uh uh. I have "Silence of the Lambs". Jodie Foster is a great actress. It isn't for the faint hearted. But IMO, More tastefully done. I like horror movies. There will be some blood. But I don't like gore. A good horror movie doesn't need that as filler. All the dam remakes, That's all it is. And that's my actor, Movies review. Thank you very much. Stay safe, Stay cool for my next episode. My next episode. AHAHAHAAAA. :LOL: 😜🤪
Pretty sure I saw them both. I remember Silence of the Lambs far better. And I'm sorry but I think of how Jodie dealt with Hopkins and how he played mind games with her and her own insecurities and things and how she'd meet with him and that's what I sense the daughter here thinks she is doing, competing with her dad, playing head games both of them, just as Foster and Hopkins. Jodie to get info and Hopkins to do as SKs do for his own reasons. I can't help it, it pops into my head a lot when I listen to her. And then too like she is running the investigation and all that kind of attitude and behavior. Part of it is I think she's trying to show she is every bit as knowledgeable and experienced as the big dogs she is on with but at the same time then she will turn around and want their advice. She is really back and forth. And the same with her dad. You'd think she can't stand him and then you feel she cares. There are times I don't want to see her on another thing and I've said so on this site and then I will think she has some very good info and points and recommend watching one she is on. Since when am I so all over the place on my opinion of someone? Lol. It's because she is kind of all over the place at times. Or one show to the next.
 
And they will change MO for different reasons but you know, these known crimes of Rader's must surely make for an eye-opening geographic profile, right? I'd really like to see a map of his known crimes. (Btw, I'm trying to gather and organize addresses.)
What interests me at the moment is that his last known victim was a neighbor! I say that because it's my understanding that it's the first crime of a serial killer that's near his home. Also, though, I suppose that's the reason why he transported her body elsewhere...
Yeah. That was a big risk. Was known to say hi to her. Wave. Not overly friendly. But knew her so to speak.
 
I've been thinking a lot about Kerri, his daughter, today. I can't begin to imagine her life. I'm the type I would just literally crawl into a hole and hide if one of my family members did that. She sure enjoys the limelight. It may be what she needs to heal and come to peace with this. But, jeepers, who goes after their serial killer parent like this, and so publicly? I know she says she's trying to help and I believe her. But on Twitter, she just posts nonstop and is super competitive. Always offended by someone and calling them out. I dunno. Anyway.
I saw a clip of Ted Bundy's little brother last night. I feel bad for him. He's still suffering from his brother's crimes.

 
Yeah it would make them found not to close to his home but you'd think they'd look at people around her including neighbors as to who may have done it. And a chance in MO too, not leaving them in their own homes.
Well Rader would have said he wasn't home, wouldn't he, that he was camping? If I recall correctly, in the video of the court proceeding, he explained to the judge that he'd stolen away from the camping event to commit the murder.
 
I was referring to two women, one- believed to be the 8th victim, Marine Hedge- lived on the same street as Rader and the last known victim, Delores Davis, lived a mile and a half away.
I had Delores Davis' picture in my mind. But I do remember seeing the photo of Marine Hedge. He found older women to be more vulnerable based on his experiences. What a POS!
 

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