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Discussion on Serial Killers, Spree Killers, Mass Killers, And single event killers.

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To start. I have always found Serial Killers fascinating. What makes them do what they do?. I know I am not the only one. This is the place to talk about it. I'll start. Who do you find the most fascinating and why?.
 
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Cousin Dupree said:
He would have cashed it in already.
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Well take a listen to this, Rader's daughter is basically saying he is responsible for 22 year old Garber in McDonald County, Missouri. She says they are waiting for some things to be tested but that HE DID IT based on other things they've determined.

What is it you think he'd cash in on with it? They aren't going to give him anything other than another trial and more time if there is such a thing, etc. if new victim's families insist he be held accountable. One would hope anyhow.

This is interesting and she went on more even in the other one I had posted but here she came right out and said it about Garber.

I suggest listening to it to see if you still feel he would have told all and that there aren't other victims... It seems they think there are and have real reason to. There are also some pics the public has never seen from what they say that his daughter has, etc.

 
RoundPeg said:
Dennis Rader sketch. Hey, anyone recall when he came back to the forefront in the news and such?

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The first I noticed it was after the deaths of the four Idaho college students. A professor Brian Kohberger had had (BK, interesting I guess in that respect), had met Rader and didn't she write a book about him, etc. and is a wealth of knowledge on him, etc. That's also when Rader's daughter showed up more than I had seen previously. I was not real enamored with people jumping to conclusions re Rader and Brian K, etc. Not saying it couldn't be the case but not a thing connected the two of them, just he had a professor that was very up on Rader. To this day, nothing connects them.

I think I've shown both here and for sure in Kohberger and LISK that I go a bit both ways on Rader's daughter. Not for a MINUTE do I blame her for anything but there are things I don't like on occasion and do not agree with. I'm not going to go into each thing and time again here as I think I've pretty much said what I've thought here and there through the months but maybe not every time but it is much more of similar things.

Well here again, here we go. So I posted the one on News Nation last night and suggested a must watch or recommend watching where they had Rader's daughter on. All should watch it. It ended with her coming down on and naming the LE officer she stated outright out of the blue she thinks little of. Well lo and behold, on break today at work I was looking for something to watch a few minutes of on my phone and there was another News nation where that talked to THAT officer or prosecutor or whoever she is, investigator probably. So Rader's daughter brings her up out of the blue to put her down and it sounds like right after they interviewed her they interviewed this officer. Interesting. She doesn't get personal at Kerri (sp?) but she does debunk or disagree with a lot that was said and she just refers to it as things said out there like on the internet, not that Kerri said them but you know what is meant as Kerri has been saying such things. Everyone needs to watch both. I suspect the truth falls somewhere in between the two women. I don't want to be mean but I think the daughter has a bit of self importance that isn't all earned. I don't begrudge her wanting to find her way in life and having confidence but she is not the investigator here and the investigators and sheriff etc. are not "her" investigators as she refers to them, etc. You will notice the LE gal says something toward the end of hers about "my" sheriff and it sounded very normal unless you know the other interview and how Kerri talks and I find it was likely a bit o fa dig without anyone being able to say it was as she didn't act that way at all.

One thing the LE gal says for instance is she knows of no blanket that went missing with Garner. Kerri says there was. And more. I think the difference is that Kerri thinks they should be getting DNA and she has judged her dad guilty of it basically based on pics and a lot of other things and just wants them to get that physical evidence. The LE officer is basically saying I think they don't have reason or cause to do any such thing. She also claims there is no evidence of a boy scout outing and more. Now the daughter may recall such as that, but that isn't proof of anything. But where does she come up with the blanket? Etc. There is more.

They aren't that long. It is News Nation, they generally never are. Watch Kerri's first up above and then watch this one below. Six minutes, like I said, they are short.

 
GrandmaBear said:
The first I noticed it was after the deaths of the four Idaho college students. A professor Brian Kohberger had had (BK, interesting I guess in that respect), had met Rader and didn't she write a book about him, etc. and is a wealth of knowledge on him, etc. That's also when Rader's daughter showed up more than I had seen previously. I was not real enamored with people jumping to conclusions re Rader and Brian K, etc. Not saying it couldn't be the case but not a thing connected the two of them, just he had a professor that was very up on Rader. To this day, nothing connects them.

I think I've shown both here and for sure in Kohberger and LISK that I go a bit both ways on Rader's daughter. Not for a MINUTE do I blame her for anything but there are things I don't like on occasion and do not agree with. I'm not going to go into each thing and time again here as I think I've pretty much said what I've thought here and there through the months but maybe not every time but it is much more of similar things.

Well here again, here we go. So I posted the one on News Nation last night and suggested a must watch or recommend watching where they had Rader's daughter on. All should watch it. It ended with her coming down on and naming the LE officer she stated outright out of the blue she thinks little of. Well lo and behold, on break today at work I was looking for something to watch a few minutes of on my phone and there was another News nation where that talked to THAT officer or prosecutor or whoever she is, investigator probably. So Rader's daughter brings her up out of the blue to put her down and it sounds like right after they interviewed her they interviewed this officer. Interesting. She doesn't get personal at Kerri (sp?) but she does debunk or disagree with a lot that was said and she just refers to it as things said out there like on the internet, not that Kerri said them but you know what is meant as Kerri has been saying such things. Everyone needs to watch both. I suspect the truth falls somewhere in between the two women. I don't want to be mean but I think the daughter has a bit of self importance that isn't all earned. I don't begrudge her wanting to find her way in life and having confidence but she is not the investigator here and the investigators and sheriff etc. are not "her" investigators as she refers to them, etc. You will notice the LE gal says something toward the end of hers about "my" sheriff and it sounded very normal unless you know the other interview and how Kerri talks and I find it was likely a bit o fa dig without anyone being able to say it was as she didn't act that way at all.

One thing the LE gal says for instance is she knows of no blanket that went missing with Garner. Kerri says there was. And more. I think the difference is that Kerri thinks they should be getting DNA and she has judged her dad guilty of it basically based on pics and a lot of other things and just wants them to get that physical evidence. The LE officer is basically saying I think they don't have reason or cause to do any such thing. She also claims there is no evidence of a boy scout outing and more. Now the daughter may recall such as that, but that isn't proof of anything. But where does she come up with the blanket? Etc. There is more.

They aren't that long. It is News Nation, they generally never are. Watch Kerri's first up above and then watch this one below. Six minutes, like I said, they are short.

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I've often wondered if Kohberger was trying to get that professor's attention.
 
RoundPeg said:
I've often wondered if Kohberger was trying to get that professor's attention.
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I could see that with him so yeah, that's definitely a thought. I also think he may possibly have been enthralled with the likes or Rader and other SKs and wanted to do like them or outdo or gain the same fame (notoriety). Yet what he did was not really typical SK, it was more like mass murderer, NOT that he couldn't be both.

I do think the way some out there think that he talked with Rader or corresponded and made the cpnnection and was able to reach him because of his professor is a REACH. There is NOTHING to indicate that and there is really nothing to indicate much about her where Kohberger is concerned. The woman had tons of students over the years.

There really isn't anything either to think he wanted to get her attention. However, I can see that possibility more as he WANTED to be the smartest, noticed, and acknowledged for it AND she did have some fame.

The thing is though there just isn't anything in the ID case that relates to Rader. It all started because he had a professor that had a Rader connection. NOT him, not someone close to him that did, etc. Maybe people added the fact he was in criminology and voila. It's all speculation with not a lot of substance that I've seen.

He strikes me a whole lot more like I said like a mass murderer, a school shooter, etc. Someone who hates the popular kids who rejected him, the teachers that didn't help, similar to those kinds of things. The kid that didn't fit in and who hates the world for it and for not helping but targets at a point the ones that maybe are the last straw of going through that yet again... And/or add an obsession with one of the girls perhaps.

Serial killers i most cases imo don't target a certain individual for those reasons or even necessarily target a certain one other than maybe having a "type". I don't see Rader and Kohberger as the same types at all. Murderers, yes, and murderers of multiples, oh yes. And could Kohberger and would he have went on and is he a serial killer or would have been? Quite possibly but it seems more personal who he picks where with serial killers like Rader I'd say it is not really personal, it is one he simply targets to act out a fantasy and not necessarily because it is about the need to kill THAT particular person. I don't have the words but hope I make some bit of sense.

I'd also say my gues is for Rader, he was detached, clam and cool other than probably exicted by the planning and then his torture and kill but cold whereas Kohberger is cold, don't get me wrong, but I somehow doubt he was detached and calm and cool. He dind't take his time as Rader did in many cases, he went in and bludgeoned four people to death in short order. Rader wasn't caught for years and nary a suspect, Kohberger made a ton of mistakes.

I'm wandering, I know. Long, long day. More to come. All of it is not to say he couldn't be enthralled with Rader and his ilk or even intended to go their route or one of his own for the same kind of "fame" or that he even wouldn't have loved to meet him, correspond, etc. but I don't see much similarity other than both are sick killers and I doubt it happened (them connecting).

Again though, not sure I think it, but I can entertain him wanting to impress his professor and hoping maybe she'd try to figure him out, write a book about him, etc., etc. if he did something big enough... The guy is sick and evil, hard to say how he thinks...
 
Cousin Dupree said:
I still believe he would have confessed to it.
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I think he'd more likely than not but at this point, I'm highly doubting his guilt in the Kinney or Garber cases but especially the Kinney case.
Granted, info I've managed to come across in that case- primarily, info surrounding witness statements- has never been clear to me, it's always been different depending the sources, which aren't much. And btw, while it was reported that police were to generate a composite sketch, I've never come across one.
Anyway, I think it's likely that Rader finds it amusing that authorities are trying hard to link him him to other cases, cases he may not have actually even heard of.
 
Regina said:
I think he'd more likely than not but at this point, I'm highly doubting his guilt in the Kinney or Garber cases but especially the Kinney case.
Granted, info I've managed to come across in that case- primarily, info surrounding witness statements- has never been clear to me, it's always been different depending the sources, which aren't much. And btw, while it was reported that police were to generate a composite sketch, I've never come across one.
Anyway, I think it's likely that Rader finds it amusing that authorities are trying hard to link him him to other cases, cases he may not have actually even heard of.
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I think he is very amused and very much gets off on this. The POS loves his control and head games.
 
Regina said:
If you're referring to Kinney and Garber, Rader notified the press that authorities went to him about those to cases, Kinney in January and Garber in May.
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I had the impression he is talking of on his arrest back when but I don't recall things well enough or all of the victims to know who he means. And no time to look into. I don't think he meant now. Or he saw something recent and is mixing up the time frames. Emu I mean.
 
Regina said:
No, compared to the locations of his known crimes, any cases I've heard mentioned occurred out of his area.
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Yeah that was my point. The cases being looked at back when were his own area and the ones he confessed to. Or offered up IF he did so. Just that area./city, etc. IF he had others I can see him of course not offering cops that info, that he killed elsewhere, or in a different time period. If cops were not onto that, i can see him doing that, or if they even just weren't looking at that yet, I can see him keeping that to himself. Where Cuz thinks he would have offered them up or confessed, I don't necessarily think so. If LE hadn't widened the area and realized there were other victims yet at that time ELSEWHERE, I don't think he'd just tell LE that on arrest or interrogation, I think he very well may have kept it to himself and still is.

So I was pointing out to Cuz these were in a different location and that all he ever admitted to were ones in his own area and that's all that came up or was being looked at at the time.

Like Gilgo now, the focus by LE is on the ones they know of and getting LISK put away for those and just getting him arrested finally while it will be years of looking into the others, etc. Same with Rader at the time. And look, all these years later, they are looking further or looking afresh or looking at it all still...

Yes, he very well could have other victims and would keep his mouth shut about them.

But I'm not sure I'm sold on theses yet.

Rader's daughter is pretty insistent on Garber and that she is sold on it and KNOWS already. We will see. Naturally all have sympathy for her and don't question as she is Rader's daughter but she is borderline acting like she is some LE person in this case and borderline maybe close to interfering imo and she may well end up with egg on her face.

But then she knows her dad and has memories of the times in their lives so maybe she is spot on. Even so, I think she is pushing things a bit too far at times.

And if she thinks she can play cat and mouse with her dad and win, I think she truly needs to step back, she isn't Jodi Foster in some well known movie.

I'm not trying to tear her down, I think she has some real struggles yet and issues and it shows. I think the need for control and self importance an be interpreted very much the wrong way by people considering who her father is and the sick need he had for control and his smug self importance.

I feel for her and that's as nicely as I can put it, as I just did. She is the one on all the shows saying some of these things and then we have LE coming out at least in the one case and area and saying much of it is not so and they are nice enough NOT to say it was her but is the public that thinks these things for "some" reason (because of her) and there's no evidence of them.

She also coudln't understand in LISK/Gilgo why the NY cops weren't interviewing HER and HER DAD! What???? This is fact. I HEARD her say it .
 
Cousin Dupree said:
No. When he was arrested he confessed to two others they didn't even think were his. So, why leave any out?
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Who knows but I can think of a number of possible reasons. No time to go into them right now. Just POSSIBILITIES. I'll give just one, maybe his family. He confessed just to the ones in his own area because he knew they were going to hear about all the others. Maybe the ones elsewhere he didn't want them knowing he did while he was with them or that he lied and went away from home NOT for boy scouts but to kill, etc. Maybe because he wants to be so important in history (in his sick head) that he keeps murders and the perps being found out or forever unknown which is also a thing of control over years and people. Just a few thoughts. Not saying I know this, just speculation.

If I got it right, his daughter said the bondage pics etc. where he does himself up bothered him that they were seen and even made public but being known for the murders did not at all. Paraphrasing. So even these sickos have feelings and shame and pride I guess... And apparently in some sick and twisted way he cared about his family.

Maybe he wanted to stay in one county messing with the same investigators, etc. and NOT be transferred to be tried in another...

A lot of serial killers have had a "quiet" time of a year or more. He was one as I recall and wasn't it several years?

I don't tend to buy it UNLESS they are jailed or something where they can't commit them. I think they simply kill elsewhere and sometimes it NEVER gets connected. Why is it they often don't come clean on those? I don't know but I suspect it has something to do with playing the game, the control as I mentioned above in this post. The own little dirty secret while at the same time they are driving families to wit's end and investigators in cases elsewhere who want answers and can't get them. And they KNOW it.
 
Also, really, what is he going to bargain for? They aren't going to reward him. He may as well save it for if a day comes they will or it would gain him something. The way the system is softening towards perps and murderers sadly that may one day happen. Or maybe if he ever was EXECUTED, he figures he would get the last laugh, confessing right before he is put to death. Or giving some cryptic clue.

They are sick, twisted and don't think like us. That's why one can't say for sure if he holds other secrets or murders or not.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
No. When he was arrested he confessed to two others they didn't even think were his. So, why leave any out?
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Oh, I see. And I hadn't known he'd confessed in '05 to two others...(You know, we'd benefit if I'd stay out of other people's discussions, lol!)
Actually, I hadn't known a heck of a lot about Rader and his crimes until recently and what I've found most interesting (if true, that is!) is info that before his arrest and when someone else was arrested for one of his crimes, he'd informed authorities (anonymously, of course) that they had the wrong guy.
 
What?! I'd just read (refreshed my memory, actually) of the murders of the ***er family- a case with a lot of similarities to Rader's crimes- and the arrest and acquittal of the accused and then I see that in the following article, it's reported that those murders are attributed to Rader!
www.independent.co.uk

Authorities link BTK killer to several unsolved murders after finding ‘trophies’

Authorities in Oklahoma dug up ‘trophies’ from BTK killer Dennis Rader’s former home. They believe the discoveries will finally prove the prolific serial killer had even more victims, Bevan Hurley writes
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Correction: The article reports that Rader denied involvement in that case and authorities still do believe Butterworth's guilty. (Which I do, too.)
 
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