Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

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The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

There aren't any DNA matches, I'd assume. If there was DNA from him or his brother, I think we'd know that by now. Of course, they may not have found any bodies yet.

I am pretty sure there are DNA matches to his wife and daughter on some of the victims plus his DNA too. Remember the discarded pizza crust?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I am pretty sure there are DNA matches to his wife and daughter on some of the victims plus his DNA too. Remember the discarded pizza crust?

I meant down south.

 

[Mel70]

Hmmmm ......

Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann sells secluded SC retirement home to relatives — for $1

Accused serial killer Rex Heuermann has sold the secluded South Carolina property where he planned to one day retire to relatives — for a buck.

nypost.com

That's not suspicious. But DANG!!! I've been looking for affordable housing for 5 years. Missed out again. Smh.

 

[Mel70]

I don't remember knowing that he had property in South Carolina! Did he go there often? Any unsolved cases there that he might have been involved in?

I believe there are alot of victims we will never know about. Since New York doesn't have the death penalty. I believe that would be the only way he would lead them to other victims. That was the only thing that made "Bundy", And "Ridgeway" Talk. It would only happen, If they could link him to a victim in a death penalty state. That's how these POS' work. THEY don't want to die. Cowards.

 

[Mel70]

Does he have an integral garage in that house where he drives in with the victims? We know he met some in motels but presumably he had to take them home to his basement at some point. Just wondering how he avoided being seen by neighbours with strange women at the house.

The property was a complete disaster. It's a marshy area. The houses aren't close together. I think that factored into it. And, He had it that no one would hear anything either. IMO, He didn't just start. He's been at it for a long time at his age. But, These victims there was a computer trail. I believe he was preying on sex workers that were on the street long before. People don't pay much attention when they go missing. They go missing all the time. Even other sex workers that know each other say that. And they usually aren't alarmed.

 

[Guess Who]

I meant down south.

I knew what you meant. I wonder if they have cases where no DNA was taken, especially unidentified victims.

 

[Mel70]

I knew what you meant. I wonder if they have cases where no DNA was taken, especially unidentified victims.

I wouldn't doubt it. It is a fact, At least in the 70s, In New York. If a sex worker was found deceased. They were labeled "NHI" "No Human Involved". It's terrible. But it's true. So there is no chance of them being identified. They didn't care.

 

[Guess Who]

I wouldn't doubt it. It is a fact, At least in the 70s, In New York. If a sex worker was found deceased. They were labeled "NHI" "No Human Involved". It's terrible. But it's true. So there is no chance of them being identified. They didn't care.

Yes. Plus, it was when it wasn't as common to collect in lots of cases, especially if they didn't know who the victim was. Or, like you state, they simply didn't care enough because they did know the victim.

 

[Tresir]

Yes. Plus, it was when it wasn't as common to collect in lots of cases, especially if they didn't know who the victim was. Or, like you state, they simply didn't care enough because they did know the victim.

DNA wasnt a thing in the 70's - they only had blood type and fingerprints. If LE had kept victim's clothes or left semen they could perhaps find DNA years later. I think that's how they caught GSK in the end with DNA and ancestry records. The first time this was ever done and they could then go back to the earlier crimes too.

"I hate you Bonnie"

How they caught him.

The Alleged Golden State Killer Was Caught After Police Dug Through His Trash

His next hearing is on June 29.

www.womenshealthmag.com

 

[Regina]

There aren't any DNA matches, I'd assume. If there was DNA from him or his brother, I think we'd know that by now. Of course, they may not have found any bodies yet.

You know, by now, it appears that there must not have been foreign DNA collected from the crime scenes of Karen Vergata, the Asian male , Valerie Mack, Peaches and her little one, and Cherries.
Now, I think Heuermann should be charged with Mack's murder- to me, the circumstances of her murder and that of Jessica Taylor are far too similar to that think that anyone other than Heuermann also murdered Mack.
Re Vergata, I think he is very likely responsible for her murder, too (although I don't think their paths crossed via a swingers meet-up situation, I think they would have crossed paths where she was last known to be which is Manhattan).
I do think he's likely responsible for Peaches and her little one but I'm not sure what to think about his involvement re Cherries and the Asian male.
Lastly, I'm a loss as to why those four latter victims are yet to be identified!

 

[Regina]

DNA wasnt a thing in the 70's - they only had blood type and fingerprints. If LE had kept victim's clothes or left semen they could perhaps find DNA years later. I think that's how they caught GSK in the end with DNA and ancestry records. The first time this was ever done and they could then go back to the earlier crimes too.

Re ancestry records, the first time I'm aware that genealogy was used is in the case linked below. The genealogist is Colleen Fitzpatrick.

'This was somebody evil': Retired Phoenix detective reflects on solving Canal Killer cold case

Phoenix police solved the Canal Killer cold case more than two decades after women were stabbed to death.

www.12news.com

 

[Tresir]

Re ancestry records, the first time I'm aware that genealogy was used is in the case linked below. The genealogist is Colleen Fitzpatrick.

'This was somebody evil': Retired Phoenix detective reflects on solving Canal Killer cold case

Phoenix police solved the Canal Killer cold case more than two decades after women were stabbed to death.

www.12news.com

This one was the first in the UK, around the same time, 2003.

How familial DNA trapped a murderer for the first time

From the Gladys Godfrey case to the alleged Golden State Killer - catching criminals through their relatives' DNA.

www.bbc.com

 

[Tresir]

You know, by now, it appears that there must not have been foreign DNA collected from the crime scenes of Karen Vergata, the Asian male , Valerie Mack, Peaches and her little one, and Cherries.
Now, I think Heuermann should be charged with Mack's murder- to me, the circumstances of her murder and that of Jessica Taylor are far too similar to that think that anyone other than Heuermann also murdered Mack.
Re Vergata, I think he is very likely responsible for her murder, too (although I don't think their paths crossed via a swingers meet-up situation, I think they would have crossed paths where she was last known to be which is Manhattan).
I do think he's likely responsible for Peaches and her little one but I'm not sure what to think about his involvement re Cherries and the Asian male.
Lastly, I'm a loss as to why those four latter victims are yet to be identified!

It appears that DNA for these victims is not so commonly found in the familial ancestry sites, I believe. Re the Asian male victim, LE were appealing for more uploads to ancestry sites to help with that one.

Regarding Mack, Tierney has already declared RH as the suspect in her murder. So that will probably be the 7th victim he will be charged with, once they are ready to go forward on it.

 

[Guess Who]

It appears that DNA for these victims is not so commonly found in the familial ancestry sites, I believe. Re the Asian male victim, LE were appealing for more uploads to ancestry sites to help with that one.

They also run into issues if matches do come up but nobody with the familial match knows about the victim such as adoption or other unknowns.

 

[Tresir]

This article from 2003 discusses the tattooed victims. There was a third victim where the killer had attempted to remove the tattoo.

KILLER CUT OUT TATTOO

The killer who dumped the headless, handless body of a woman on Long Island over the weekend gouged her back, trying to obliterate a tattoo she sported in an apparent attempt to foil police attempt…

nypost.com

 

[Mel70]

DNA wasnt a thing in the 70's - they only had blood type and fingerprints. If LE had kept victim's clothes or left semen they could perhaps find DNA years later. I think that's how they caught GSK in the end with DNA and ancestry records. The first time this was ever done and they could then go back to the earlier crimes too.

"I hate you Bonnie"

How they caught him.

The Alleged Golden State Killer Was Caught After Police Dug Through His Trash

His next hearing is on June 29.

www.womenshealthmag.com

Yes. It was blood type, And if they were a secreter. If there were no fingerprints. That's a pretty broad group. Yes, Now, If the evidence was properly preserved. They can test it now. With so little, And so many ways. It's amazing. And with the DNA database. That's helped tremendously. They are now solving cases decades old.

 

[Mel70]

Re ancestry records, the first time I'm aware that genealogy was used is in the case linked below. The genealogist is Colleen Fitzpatrick.

'This was somebody evil': Retired Phoenix detective reflects on solving Canal Killer cold case

Phoenix police solved the Canal Killer cold case more than two decades after women were stabbed to death.

www.12news.com

I saw a true crime show about that guy. "Steampunk Zombie Hunter". His outfit. His car he transformed that was an old police car. No one suspected.

 

[Regina]

It appears that DNA for these victims is not so commonly found in the familial ancestry sites, I believe. Re the Asian male victim, LE were appealing for more uploads to ancestry sites to help with that one.

At this point in time, it blows my mind that apparently, there's no relative, friend or aquaintance known, that for what ever reason or reasons, there aren't missing person reports...it's a difficult scenario to wrap my head around.
Anyway, I know that in Peaches case, info is sought re potential relatives in Alabama. Btw, interesting circumstances surrounding the death of that person, Elijah Howell, and the person he was with, Lillie Packer.

Lillie Mae Wiggins Packer (1923-1963) - Find a...

Daughter of Orange & Leola (Aberhart) Wiggins Wife of Alexander Packer Mobile Beacon-Alabama Citizen 9 Nov 1963 RITES HELD FOR AUTO VICTIMS Funeral services for the two people who were found dead in an automobile in a lonely spot off Highway 45 in Prichard last week were held Monday and...

www.findagrave.com

Regarding Mack, Tierney has already declared RH as the suspect in her murder. So that will probably be the 7th victim he will be charged with, once they are ready to go forward on it.

I hope he charges regardless as to whether there's DNA evidence.

 

[Tresir]

At this point in time, it blows my mind that apparently, there's no relative, friend or aquaintance known, that for what ever reason or reasons, there aren't missing person reports...it's a difficult scenario to wrap my head around.
Anyway, I know that in Peaches case, info is sought re potential relatives in Alabama. Btw, interesting circumstances surrounding the death of that person, Elijah Howell, and the person he was with, Lillie Packer.

Lillie Mae Wiggins Packer (1923-1963) - Find a...

Daughter of Orange & Leola (Aberhart) Wiggins Wife of Alexander Packer Mobile Beacon-Alabama Citizen 9 Nov 1963 RITES HELD FOR AUTO VICTIMS Funeral services for the two people who were found dead in an automobile in a lonely spot off Highway 45 in Prichard last week were held Monday and...

www.findagrave.com

I hope he charges regardless as to whether there's DNA evidence.

Yes this article mentions the possible connection of Peaches to Elijah Howell who died in '63. But nothing more known so far.

Is The FBI Close to IDing Peaches, Baby Doe in Gilgo Case?

Investigators appear to be one step closer to identifying a woman and her young child whose murders have been unsolved for 25 years and were linked to the gruesome Gilgo Beach murders.

www.longislandpress.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

He and his brother both owned adjacent plots IIRC. So he has now sold his plot for a dollar.

I think there is at least one. I added it to the list I did upthread.

Aaliyah Bell, Rock Hill, SC Nov 2014

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yes they did. and it was where the key vehicle was found. there are some accounts from people who think it may have been him with some missing women in that area. remains to be seen.

I find the transfer for $1 which is not unusual and many people do, especially family, something that makes me think of making it harder to ever search because if sold to a stranger, they might cooperate and be allowed to search. It is a totally legitimate thing between family members etc. but when it comes to CB and his money grubbing wife (sorry), cash may have passed hands for CB even on his own from his brother to buy butter lol. That is IF it was sold for a buck to his brother. Those records to my knowledge unless it has changed for the worse are accessible in virtually every state.

In this case, I am convinced this evil monster killed when down towards mom's (is that Virginia?), at his brother's where he also had land in SC, probably in Alaska and in Vegas for sure.

Like @Mel70 said (hey Mel!!!) and she knows her SKs, he didn't just start this. I am nowhere near as well versed as her about all SKs and the details but CB imo is going to end up being one of the most prolific of all time. And we may ALL be dead before that is determined or known.

In the meantime, if I was a good person I would pray he gets his butter but nah... Maybe he can keep corresponding with the other SK as to how to obtain such or if prison has such...

SERIOUSLY. This kind of unreal stuff including his wife and big money deals just don't happen in coincidence in life. Tresir I KNOW you KNOW this is not directed towards you. Mel knows such. Many know such. But this case, wow. The VICTIMS families watched this woman play her sh*t smh...

I'm thinking I will send CB some butter....It is pricey these days though, Asa needs to send me $4 or $5 bucks first...

Yeah, been a day. Big life change going on. HOPEFULLY if others can do their part on that deal.