Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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Yes. Good post. No food. :LOL: Not to put down Catholics. My uncle converted when he married my aunt Jeannie. They had 5. I am their only cousin. Yes. No birth control. My mom was the youngest. He was the oldest by 10 yrs. Then my aunts in the middle. My mom converted to Southern Baptist. No birth control needed. My grandparents were Lutheran, But not really practicing. My mom was a surprise. Sheryl was an oops by 6 yrs. I'll say. :tongueouttoall: And back in my great grandparents, Grandparents day. There just wasn't birth control like now. 7 children on my grandpa's side and 7 on my grandma's side. And it was very common for farm families to have alot of children. Aren't you tired already?.
Exactly. Most had children every one to two years. And yeah there were oops after birth control, tagalongs. And you're younger and you know it, most do that were old enough to remember their families and how most were large just due to such facts.
 
Long but very thorough. This is at least the second time now I've seen that both kids lived at home. I'm not sure if this is known or assumed because they were all there when about simultaneously told of his arrest. No matter

One thing I'd like to know is how many square feet this home is.

It goes into the corruptness, let's not forget it, of the former police chief and D.A. and their arrest.

And it doesn't surprise me considering how this was handled or mishandled for years that this vehicle ID was "missed" or fell through the cracks.

It says exactly what I was saying they said about the vehicle, they searched a database and knew the vehicle.

I guess someone could try to say they inserted an old tip into the files to get what they needed to get him (planted the tip) but I think that's a stretch. The witness is very likely still alive whether it is Costello's bf or they had more than one.

There are things I'm not going to go into right now that I wonder. I'd like to know what this man did other than the crimes and who he hung around if anyone or socialized with. There are different accounts on how he struck people even amongst neighbors. As the psych lady said on one of the YT videos I posted, he shows a different face depending on who he is dealing with. He seemed sociable enough in his interview and not shy or odd. I didn't watch it all but enough and I should I guess. There is an account of him striking up a conversation with a woman in a bar, again, sociable enough. Unlike the Idaho 4 killer who was awkward, strange, odd, whatever one wants to call it. He was a businessman who apparently could pay to staff and maintain an office and how many homes, and worked with people big time in his job with city stuff, etc. I want to know who if anyone he hobknobbed with, met for drinks, had dinner or lunches with and I don't mean women, I mean colleagues, other people in upper types of jobs, college educated in the city etc. There are a lot of dead people, mostly women, who have been found on LI. And the Shannon Gilbert one, which I don't deny we know she was at the home of someone else, ended up in the same area as these women. As I've said before I believe, there seem to be a lot of men who apparently call escorts or sex workers out to Long Island although we also are led to believe it could have just been the dumping ground of one or a few others. The police chief with the porn and before that imo not caring or OBSTRUCTING Gilbert, a lost vehicle description in this case and a whole lot more, bothers me that the former admin or whatever would botch, not care, obstruct or screw up both cases. Then you have one who had his sex toys stolen out of his car who was in charge of these cases... I guess I did go into it some but I have a LOT MORE. One thing that sticks with me through the years where some details don't about people of note and people from LE and parties on LI with prostitutes is part of it.

He may well be a solo killer and may be or may not be responsible for many of the others but that doesn't mean one killer did not know another or others, etc. It would explain lack of investigation into both things and messing up the investigations... Or lack of same. I'm not sold on it but it just stays present with me and has with some parts of all of the murders through the years even before this arrest.

Anywhooo, I don't believe he likely didn't murder in all his other places.

I see in this the wife was in New Jersey on one trip... Which brings me back to what I said reading the grandparent's obit that he was born there... Do they have a home there too or did they or does the extended family maybe have some home there... And that brings the thought of the Atlantic City bodies again...

I don't believe with all of these homes that LI is the only place victims were left or that it was only in NY.

This case is going to be one of interest for some years to come imo. Not just because of the usual serial killer thing and that they turn out to be that way and of interest but the number of homes just for one, the lack of family info so far or where he was his entire life--always living at home or with mom and dad even when having children until getting mom to sell him the home? Where did she go at that time or did she live with them still? LOTS of questions about just the basics.

I've had a really long couple of days and they were days off!! I did get to eat lunch out (never for me do I get to or do that at all in a longggg time)) or a mid afternoon lunch/dinner. And I got my gas tank in my car filled for FREE. That was nice. We had to reposition cars and not turn the pump off, a little story in itself but I was probably on 1/4 and now have a full tank for free! Of course I drove home two hours but still pretty close to full. My car is a she and she has two very fitting pet names but I don't share them but they're good ones. They fit her and they are very complimentary.

You make an interesting point, was the former Sheriff also killing prostitutes? Then stopped the investigation because of that?

Also, I'm eagerly awaiting the results once the DNA is loaded into the national database.
 
His father was called Theodor. His grandfather was a William and he also had (has?) an uncle called William. (the "WH" on the belt binding one murder victim.)

I had speculated in an earlier post, Since his first name wasn't with an M, And I didn't know his father's name. It was his father's. Thank you for the post.:D
 
Well I got the idea you weren't back around when Mel was turning the big one and thought you said something about not being there yet, being younger, in humor. I could be wrong and apparently am as you know your own age lol.

Well then you should know the whole birth control thing, large families in most cases until then unless abstaining or sterilized, etc. or with fertility problems.
Fertility problems. Both of them. I was all they came up with after 6, Almost 7 years by the time I was born. I truly apologize. My mom was 30. My dad was 34. They were married at 23 and 27. At our church.
 

The Polygon and the Avalanche: How the Gilgo Beach Suspect Was Found​

As investigators spent years looking for a suspect, a key clue was buried in their files. Could they have solved the case years earlier?




William K. RashbaumJoseph GoldsteinJohnny Milano
By William K. Rashbaum and Joseph Goldstein
Photographs and Video by Johnny Milano
  • July 20, 2023
They called it the polygon.
Using phone records and a sophisticated system that maps the reach of cell towers, a team of investigators had drawn the irregular shape across a map of tree-lined streets in the Long Island suburb of Massapequa Park. By 2021, the investigators had been able to shrink the polygon so that it covered only several hundred homes.
In one of those homes, the investigators believed, lived a serial killer.
A decade before, 11 bodies had been found in the underbrush around Gilgo Beach, a remote stretch of sand five miles away on the South Shore. Four women had been bound with tape or belts or wrapped in shrouds of camouflage-patterned burlap, the sort that hunters use for blinds. They had worked as escorts and had gone missing after going to meet a client.
Each, shortly before she disappeared, had been in contact with a different disposable cellphone. Investigators eventually determined that during the workday, some of the phones had been in a small area of Midtown Manhattan near Penn Station, and at night they pinged in the polygon, mirroring the tidal movements of the 150,000 Long Island residents who head into Manhattan each day.
Last Friday, Suffolk County authorities announced that they had arrested a man who they believed had killed the four women: Rex Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect who had an office near Penn Station and lived on a quiet street right where they had expected to find him. He was charged with three of the murders, to which he has pleaded not guilty, and was named as the prime suspect in the fourth.

The arrest ended years of anguish for some of the victims’ families. But the investigation also raised an unsettling question: Could the authorities have solved the case years earlier?
The following account is drawn from a 32-page bail application and interviews with current and former investigators and Suffolk County’s top law enforcement officials.

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The victims were, clockwise from top left, Melissa Barthelemy, Amber Costello, Maureen Brainard-Barnes and Megan Waterman.Credit...Suffolk County Police Department, via Associated Press

A quartet of women in closeup.

The case had unfolded fitfully over more than a decade. But it took a new police commissioner and his task force just six weeks to uncover a crucial clue in the sprawling case file.
Working under Commissioner Rodney K. Harrison, the core group of about 10 investigators was drawn from his department, the sheriff’s office, F.B.I. and State Police and worked closely with District Attorney Ray Tierney of Suffolk County and his prosecutors.

They worked in a beige office, its walls covered with maps, photos and a giant timeline, scouring their suspect’s digital and daily life — email addresses, social media accounts, search history.
All the while, Mr. Heuermann was searching, too, asking Google the same question that so many of his neighbors had been asking each other for more than a decade: “why hasn’t the long island serial killer been caught?”

Grim Discoveries​

Picking up the trail of a serial killer is an exceptional challenge. The killer often has no personal connection to the victims. If the victims lived on society’s margins, months or years can go by before their disappearances are treated as serious matters — or even recognized as the work of a single murderer.
The realization that a serial killer was hunting on Long Island’s South Shore came in December 2010, when a Suffolk County police officer, John Mallia, and his canine partner, a German shepherd named Blue, were searching for a 24-year-old woman named Shannan Gilbert, who had gone missing in the area.

Instead, over several days they found four other bodies near Gilgo Beach. They had been placed roughly 10 yards from Ocean Parkway, the main east-west thoroughfare that traverses a barrier island off the South Shore. After they discovered the bodies, investigators searched for evidence nearby with meticulous care — “sifting the sand like gold miners around each body,” one investigator recalled.

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A search for one missing woman on a South Shore beach yielded the remains of four others.Credit...Robert Stolarik for The New York Times

A man and a dog in a thicket under a cloudy sky.

Ms. Gilbert’s corpse and other remains, including those that the authorities described as a man wearing women’s clothing and a toddler, would be found along the same roadway over the following year. The grisly discoveries riveted the region as the police speculated that the killings might be the work of more than one person.
But the first four bodies — all petite women in their 20s who had gone missing in the previous four years — seemed linked. Investigators surmised they had been killed by the same man, in part because of the way the bodies were wrapped and their proximity. And there was reason to believe that a witness might have gotten a look at the man.

The Gilgo Beach Serial Killings​

After a decade-long investigation into multiple murders believed to have been carried out by a serial killer on Long Island, a suspect has been arrested.​

The last of the four to disappear had been Amber Costello, a 27-year-old with a “Kaos” tattoo on her neck who advertised on Backpage and Craigslist. Shortly before she was last seen in September 2010, a would-be client contacted her from a disposable cellphone and visited her at the West Babylon house she shared with three roommates, parking in her driveway, according to court papers filed after Mr. Heuermann’s arrest. He drove a vehicle with a distinctive look: SUV in the front, pickup in the back.
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The driver was just as distinctive: hulking, in his 40s, with bushy dark hair and 1970s-style eyeglasses. A witness described him as an ogre.

But as soon as the would-be client paid Ms. Costello, a chaotic scene unfolded. A man “pretending to be the outraged boyfriend” rushed in, part of a ruse to steal the money, according to the court papers.
Startled, the hulking man rushed out of the house.
He did not disappear for long, though. He texted Ms. Costello asking for “credit for next time” and arranged another meeting, according to the court papers. Ms. Costello was last seen alive the next night walking out of her home, apparently to meet the man.

Not long after, a witness reported seeing a dark truck drive by.
The description of the vehicle in the driveway, a dark, first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche, ended up tucked away in the case file, the authorities said.

Sifting the Signals​

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The women were each found about 10 yards off Ocean Parkway, the main route along the barrier island.CreditCredit...
The fact apparently lay buried for years among hundreds of thousands of pages of interviews; telephone, travel and credit records; and endless tips as the Suffolk County police department and district attorney’s office endured years of turmoil.

James Burke, the swaggering police chief who had been running the department since 2012, was arrested in 2015 and later convicted on federal civil rights and obstruction of justice charges. He had beaten a suspect who had been arrested after stealing cigars and a bag containing pornography and sex toys from Mr. Burke’s sport utility vehicle. The subsequent cover-up ensnared the district attorney at the time, Thomas J. Spota, who also landed in prison.
The federal investigation into Suffolk County’s top lawmen spanned years during the Gilgo Beach case, a period during which both Mr. Burke and Mr. Spota had spurned help from the F.B.I.
After Mr. Burke’s arrest, the new head of the Suffolk County police, Tim Sini, redoubled the department’s efforts. Mr. Sini, a former Manhattan federal prosecutor, focused on tracking the disposable cellphones, hoping there were more clues to be gleaned.

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Police Commissioner Tim Sini invested in technology that helped investigators narrow their search.

Tim Sini stands outside, looking off to the side with hands folded, amid state troopers.

F.B.I. agents in 2012 had already identified the area where coverage from four cell towers overlapped in Massapequa Park. By mid-2016, Mr. Sini had secured a court order for “tower dumps” — information on every phone that connected to particular towers in a given window of time.

Technology and software had advanced. And Mr. Sini had invested in a system that allowed investigators to “take the relevant areas,” as he told Newsday, and “shrink them to extremely manageable spaces.”
They whittled down the area to what they came to call the polygon, which left them with several hundred homes around First Avenue in Massapequa Park, law enforcement officials said.
A pattern emerged from the disposable phones used to contact the victims: In the evening, nighttime and predawn hours, some were in a small area of Massapequa Park, a person with knowledge of the investigation said. That’s also where the phone of one victim, Megan Waterman, was last logged at 3:11 a.m. on June 6, 2010, shortly before she disappeared, according to court papers.
During the day, the phones were used in Midtown Manhattan.
Among other communications that investigators scrutinized were sadistic, taunting calls someone made from the cellphone of one victim, Melissa Barthelemy, to her teenage sister shortly after she had disappeared in 2009. “Do you think you’ll ever speak to her again?” the person had asked in a bland, calm voice.
Those calls were also linked to cell towers near Penn Station, the court papers said.
For years, investigators looked for suspects who worked in Manhattan and had lived in the polygon. The going was slow, and though investigators expressed optimism they would find their man, they had little to show.

Suddenly, a Suspect​

The big break came in March 2022.
Just weeks after the formation of the task force, an investigator found the witness’s description of the Chevrolet Avalanche in the case file, authorities said. Using a database that can search for vehicles by make and model without license-plate numbers, the investigator found an Avalanche linked to Mr. Heuermann in 2010, the year Ms. Costello went missing.
His name had never come up in the investigation as a suspect, officials said. His physical description matched that of the ogreish man who had rushed out of her house shortly before she disappeared: He was 6-foot-4 and heavyset. His office was in the patch of Manhattan identified by the sophisticated cellphone mapping.
And he lived in what investigators believed was their serial killer sweet spot: the part of Massapequa Park where they had begun drawing their polygon.
The Avalanche lead, said Mr. Tierney, the district attorney, had been “known pretty much from the beginning.” Mr. Tierney, who took office in 2022, said he did not know why investigators had not pursued it. He suggested that perhaps the detail hadn’t been deemed credible or had sunk in significance amid what seemed like more promising leads.
“There are piles of evidence,” he said. “What is credible, what’s not, what seems likely, what’s not — so it’s not as simple as it seems.”


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Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney speaks at a lectern.

District Attorney Ray Tierney said the crucial clue had been in investigators’ possession almost from the start.

Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney speaks at a lectern.

But crimes are often solved by tracking down a vehicle, and cases often start with a car description. David Berkowitz, known as Son of Sam and perhaps the state’s most notorious serial killer, was arrested in the 1970s after the police found that he owned an illegally parked Ford Galaxie that had received a parking ticket near one of the shootings.
In the Gilgo Beach investigation, the critical clue had fallen through the cracks.
“If they knew about it then, a major mistake was made in not tracking down this car earlier,” said Rob Trotta, a former Suffolk County detective and a current county legislator, who said he expects to make an official inquiry into what happened.
Dominick Varrone, the former chief of detectives who oversaw the first year of the investigation, questioned whether the Avalanche clue had actually been in the case file, but added, “I will feel very, very badly if our team missed something.”
“I’ll tell you right now: No suspect vehicle was on our radar when I was still there,” he added.
When investigators did finally link the Chevrolet Avalanche to Mr. Heuermann, the investigation entered its critical phase. Investigators began exploring every aspect of his life, using 300 subpoenas and search warrants.


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A man in a Tyvek suit walks past a Chevrolet Avalanche in a driveway.

The suspect’s vehicle was relatively uncommon and similar to one seen at a victim’s home the night she disappeared.

A man in a Tyvek suit walks past a Chevrolet Avalanche in a driveway.

They examined his Tinder account and several email addresses — all fictitious names — that led to additional disposable phones that Mr. Heuermann was using to contact massage parlors and women working as escorts, the court papers said. They found internet searches for child pornography.
The more investigators learned about Mr. Heuermann, the more convinced they were.
So much time had passed since the killings that precise locational data from Mr. Heuermann’s personal cellphone — registered to his architectural business — no longer existed. But his billing records showed the general location of the phone when calls were made, the court papers said, putting it in New York City around the same time in 2010 that the cruel and taunting calls were made on Ms. Barthelemy’s cellphone.
Investigators learned that several of the murders had occurred when Mr. Heuermann’s wife and children were out of town, according to prosecutors. One coincided with a trip his wife took to Iceland; another took place when she was in Maryland and a third when she was in New Jersey.
But they had nothing to put the burner phones that had been in contact with the victims in Mr. Heuermann’s hands.

Nor did they have any physical or forensic evidence directly linking him to the crimes.
That would soon change.

The Tipping Point​

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In the investigation’s early days, at least five hairs were discovered on the victims or stuck to the burlap or duct tape that enveloped them. They were deemed unsuitable for detailed DNA analysis.
Forensic science moved ahead: In the past three years, two outside laboratories were able to generate thorough DNA reports, according to court papers.
Now, investigators needed genetic material from Mr. Heuermann. Last July, an undercover detective rooted through his recycling for empty bottles. In January, Mr. Heuermann tossed a pizza box into a sidewalk garbage can outside his office in Midtown. A surveillance team fished it out, and the ragged crusts inside gave them what they needed.

Investigators concluded that most of the hairs found on the victims were likely to have come from Mr. Heuermann’s wife. One was a potential match for Mr. Heuermann himself.
One laboratory compared the DNA profile from the fifth hair to the genetic material found on Mr. Heuermann’s pizza. It found enough markers in common to conclude that while 99.96 percent of the population could be excluded as a match, Mr. Heuermann could not, the authorities said.

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A surveillance team retrieved the remnants of the suspect’s pizza from a trash can in New York.Credit...Suffolk County District Attorney

A trashcan.


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The crusts bore genetic material that investigators said directly linked the suspect to the crimes.

The crusts bore genetic material that investigators said directly linked the suspect to the crimes.Credit...Suffolk County Court, via Reuters

The crusts bore genetic material that investigators said directly linked the suspect to the crimes.

Mr. Tierney learned of the results in June.
He read the report again and again — perhaps dozens of times, as if trying to convince his brain of what his eyes were seeing.
Investigators believed they now had direct evidence linking Mr. Heuermann to the killings.
But investigators knew something else: Mr. Heuermann was scouring the internet for information about what they were doing.

Internet searches linked to his anonymous accounts included more than 200 queries in the past 16 months about serial killers generally and the investigation into the Gilgo Beach victims specifically. “Why could law enforcement not trace the calls made by the long island serial killer” was just one.
Mr. Tierney had grown increasingly worried that more victims would drop on his watch. He said that Mr. Heuermann had been visiting massage parlors — and contacting women working as escorts.
Mr. Tierney said he was sleeping badly, bedeviled by tension and worry. Last week, he decided the case had reached a tipping point.
So on the evening of July 13, detectives in suits and ties approached Mr. Heuermann after he walked out of his office building.
Mr. Heuermann, prosecutors said, had methodically covered his tracks and closely monitored the investigation.
But when the detectives arrested Mr. Heuermann after more than a dozen years of pursuit, Mr. Tierney said, his reaction was simple and instinctive: genuine surprise.
William K. Rashbaum is a senior writer on the Metro desk, where he covers political and municipal corruption, courts, terrorism and law enforcement. He was a part of the team awarded the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News. More about William K. Rashbaum
Joseph Goldstein covers health care in New York, following years of criminal justice and police reporting for the Metro desk. He also spent a year reporting on Afghanistan from The Times’s Kabul bureau. More about Joseph Goldstein
A version of this article appears in print on July 21, 2023, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: A Polygon and a Chevy: How the Gilgo Beach Suspect Was Found. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe



DUDE!!!! WHAT DID YOU DO TO THAT PIZZA?! And whatever you ate with it. I'm guessing a half a loaf of garlic bread. You just shredded it. I realize it was in the garage. But...Yeah.
 
Yes. Good post. No food. :LOL: Not to put down Catholics. My uncle converted when he married my aunt Jeannie. They had 5. I am their only cousin. Yes. No birth control. My mom was the youngest. He was the oldest by 10 yrs. Then my aunts in the middle. My mom converted to Southern Baptist. No birth control needed. My grandparents were Lutheran, But not really practicing. My mom was a surprise. Sheryl was an oops by 6 yrs. I'll say. :tongueouttoall: And back in my great grandparents, Grandparents day. There just wasn't birth control like now. 7 children on my grandpa's side and 7 on my grandma's side. And it was very common for farm families to have alot of children. Aren't you tired already?.
I think my mum used a Dutch cap. I remember finding it one day and wondering WTF it was.
 
You make an interesting point, was the former Sheriff also killing prostitutes? Then stopped the investigation because of that?

Also, I'm eagerly awaiting the results once the DNA is loaded into the national database.
I don't know but I do know it is something I just can't shake and I just don't believe in such coincidences and did he really go to bat for or throw an entire case for someone who either wasn't a friend or partner in crime or could connect him or tell something about him etc. There are other things I wonder about and didn't voice but think like the pedo ring in Delphi or hints of such but here a sex ring, prostitutes, etc. and murder. Have snuff films ever crossed anyone's mind or torture parties or even group things... Did some of the men or all know each other and of each other...

He had sex toys stolen from his vehicle but even before that he was throwing the whole Gilbert case AND his career in the long run... Not for himself? WHY?

And even for those that think Gilbert is different and all these other dead women and a man and child aren't from the same killer does that necessarily mean they don't know of each other... Or something...

He even wouldn't have searches done to speak of, etc. and again why? Was it even not Shannon he was worried about but knew if searches commenced one other body would be found or several even?

There's a LOT of ways one could go with thoughts on this.

It is always put down to they don't care, they don't investigate because theBy were prostitutes but I'm not so sure here. No matter the families, no matter any public pressure, he kept refusing and even refusing to release her 911 calls and IF I REMEMBER right the fed court ordered it released and STILL NY refused. Do I have that wrong? I am a bit fuzzy on that but I recall something on that order.

There are a LOT of bodies here and even if not the same killer SOMEONE killed them and maybe more than one someone.

And I'm sorry but Crybaby we have to remember IS not some truck driver. He is an architect with an office address in THE part of town and we now know that his family has lived on Long Island starting with his grandpa. I dont' know if he hobknobbed with any big shots but I don't think we should assume he didn't. Types that offer escorts $1,500 to get them to forget their cell phones, travel out to what area for a party, to one's home, etc.

I DON'T know. I really DON'T but there is TOO much here. TOO much wrong throughout this investigation through the prior years, too much hushed, TOO MUCH to do with and found on Long Island and too many victims.

Something has always smelled and there is something here but in what direction and what it is, I'm not sure. I's like any powerful people case... Monied people. People with power. It wasn't Joe Schmoe from down the street who got ALL of these women out to or dumped on Long Island...

Now whether Crybaby is connected to any of this other, I don't know but... It doesn't mean he dind't do his own thing while knowing of other's things or having been a part of them either...

We don't know a lot yet but he is NOT some total misfit like for instance Brian Kohberger. His career would have meant he dealt with people and associated with people, etc.

I'm not sure and I realize I am all over the place from the former sheriff or police commissioner but just giving food for thought and maybe others can do something with it. Even if Shrek is totally solo or he had his own partner in some things and has no connection to any of the others, there is still something about the others and Shannon and the investigation and searches that that guy wanted to stop so no searches, real investigation. There also then are other murders one or others committed...
 
I tend to doubt the man knew the woman and child. He was dressed as a woman. I believe he was a sex worker. And possibly the customer did not know he was a man when he picked him up. And killed him out of anger when he found out. It has happened before. And "A Sex worker" is considered a profession. And also by statistics the most dangerous one.The woman and child I believe were personal.
 
I don't know but I do know it is something I just can't shake and I just don't believe in such coincidences and did he really go to bat for or throw an entire case for someone who either wasn't a friend or partner in crime or could connect him or tell something about him etc. There are other things I wonder about and didn't voice but think like the pedo ring in Delphi or hints of such but here a sex ring, prostitutes, etc. and murder. Have snuff films ever crossed anyone's mind or torture parties or even group things... Did some of the men or all know each other and of each other...

He had sex toys stolen from his vehicle but even before that he was throwing the whole Gilbert case AND his career in the long run... Not for himself? WHY?

And even for those that think Gilbert is different and all these other dead women and a man and child aren't from the same killer does that necessarily mean they don't know of each other... Or something...

He even wouldn't have searches done to speak of, etc. and again why? Was it even not Shannon he was worried about but knew if searches commenced one other body would be found or several even?

There's a LOT of ways one could go with thoughts on this.

It is always put down to they don't care, they don't investigate because theBy were prostitutes but I'm not so sure here. No matter the families, no matter any public pressure, he kept refusing and even refusing to release her 911 calls and IF I REMEMBER right the fed court ordered it released and STILL NY refused. Do I have that wrong? I am a bit fuzzy on that but I recall something on that order.

There are a LOT of bodies here and even if not the same killer SOMEONE killed them and maybe more than one someone.

And I'm sorry but Crybaby we have to remember IS not some truck driver. He is an architect with an office address in THE part of town and we now know that his family has lived on Long Island starting with his grandpa. I dont' know if he hobknobbed with any big shots but I don't think we should assume he didn't. Types that offer escorts $1,500 to get them to forget their cell phones, travel out to what area for a party, to one's home, etc.

I DON'T know. I really DON'T but there is TOO much here. TOO much wrong throughout this investigation through the prior years, too much hushed, TOO MUCH to do with and found on Long Island and too many victims.

Something has always smelled and there is something here but in what direction and what it is, I'm not sure. I's like any powerful people case... Monied people. People with power. It wasn't Joe Schmoe from down the street who got ALL of these women out to or dumped on Long Island...

Now whether Crybaby is connected to any of this other, I don't know but... It doesn't mean he dind't do his own thing while knowing of other's things or having been a part of them either...

We don't know a lot yet but he is NOT some total misfit like for instance Brian Kohberger. His career would have meant he dealt with people and associated with people, etc.

I'm not sure and I realize I am all over the place from the former sheriff or police commissioner but just giving food for thought and maybe others can do something with it. Even if Shrek is totally solo or he had his own partner in some things and has no connection to any of the others, there is still something about the others and Shannon and the investigation and searches that that guy wanted to stop so no searches, real investigation. There also then are other murders one or others committed...
"Snuff Films" Are pretty much an urban legend for the most part. No one wants to get caught having a assault and murder on film. Serial killers have done it. Not alot. But it was for themselves. So called "Snuff Films" Can be easily faked. And for someone searching for one?. No one will jump up to sell one that is authentic. No one is going to Google, I would hope, "Snuff Films for sale". I can't think of any real ones off hand. I don't go looking. UGH. But remembering any making the news. I'm just talking about abuse/rape/murder. I've seen murders committed. "Daniel Pearl". I saw that. I'll NEVER unsee it.
 
It's all his mum's fault.

This article has a pic of his father who was a 2nd Lt in WW2 apparently. He must have been pretty young as he was born in 1925 so would have only been 19 when the war ended in '44. If he served in the Pacific, I think that ended in '45, making him 20.





Gravestone for Theodore Heuermann
His father, Theodore Heuermann, died when the younger Heuermann was just 12 years old.ancestry.com
High school photo of Theodore Heuermann
Rex Heuermann boasted that his dad (pictured as a teen) had worked as an “aerospace engineer who built satellites” and was a cabinet maker.ancestry.com

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.


“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”
 
It's all his mum's fault.

This article has a pic of his father who was a 2nd Lt in WW2 apparently. He must have been pretty young as he was born in 1925 so would have only been 19 when the war ended in '44. If he served in the Pacific, I think that ended in '45, making him 20.





Gravestone for Theodore Heuermann
His father, Theodore Heuermann, died when the younger Heuermann was just 12 years old.ancestry.com
High school photo of Theodore Heuermann
Rex Heuermann boasted that his dad (pictured as a teen) had worked as an “aerospace engineer who built satellites” and was a cabinet maker.ancestry.com

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.


“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”
OH FFS!!! EXCUSE!!! And there is no excuse for what he did!!! Friggin' "T-Rex".
 
I tend to doubt the man knew the woman and child. He was dressed as a woman. I believe he was a sex worker. And possibly the customer did not know he was a man when he picked him up. And killed him out of anger when he found out. It has happened before. And "A Sex worker" is considered a profession. And also by statistics the most dangerous one.The woman and child I believe were personal.
Not sure if you are responding to me but I don't think the man dressed as a woman knew the man and child either but I sure think Crybaby Shrek may possibly be connected to both. Him for the reason you say and her and the child for in a couple of scenarios I could imagine. And yes I think the woman and child could well be personal. So no argument here is what I'm saying.
 
"Snuff Films" Are pretty much an urban legend for the most part. No one wants to get caught having a assault and murder on film. Serial killers have done it. Not alot. But it was for themselves. So called "Snuff Films" Can be easily faked. And for someone searching for one?. No one will jump up to sell one that is authentic. No one is going to Google, I would hope, "Snuff Films for sale". I can't think of any real ones off hand. I don't go looking. UGH. But remembering any making the news. I'm just talking about abuse/rape/murder. I've seen murders committed. "Daniel Pearl". I saw that. I'll NEVER unsee it.
Yeah I don't know. I'm not saying to sell them but for their own sick desires. One thing the internet has done is with the dark web bring together more easily, the bad people, pedos, rapists, who knows, maybe killers, I know it has hit men, have heard that one, etc. and groups of people, and some of them bad....

Of course these crimes here were long ago but just talking about such in general. Or let's talk parties with professional men and a lot of prostitutes, or even just one or two, now that has always went on. Always. Not hard to cite instances of that. I realy don't want to go down the trail of such talk but orgies, gang bangs, bondage, torture, who knows what the kick was for each or for all IF any parties that went a bit beyond.

I really don't know but I just think there is something here. I am NOT sure that Crybaby Shrek is connected but the Gilbert thing has a lot I wonder about. And ALL of these things and murders or disposal on Long Island.

On the other hand, I googled the population today and found out that Long Island itself has 7+ million people. THAT surprised me. I didn't think of it that way and don't doubt some others may be surprised by that too. Of course that's not necessarily just where all these things or burials occurred by a long shot but still, that's far more population than I would have known.
 
It's all his mum's fault.

This article has a pic of his father who was a 2nd Lt in WW2 apparently. He must have been pretty young as he was born in 1925 so would have only been 19 when the war ended in '44. If he served in the Pacific, I think that ended in '45, making him 20.





Gravestone for Theodore Heuermann
His father, Theodore Heuermann, died when the younger Heuermann was just 12 years old.ancestry.com
High school photo of Theodore Heuermann
Rex Heuermann boasted that his dad (pictured as a teen) had worked as an “aerospace engineer who built satellites” and was a cabinet maker.ancestry.com

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.


“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”
I am behind and can't read all as usual but interesting. This makes his dad about 38 when he had Crybaby. About the way I've been thinking on it. Only two kids we know of, him and his brother. I really want to know the brother's age, length of CB's parent's marriage, etc. It was not unheard of but a bit unusual to have only first had kids at 38 in that era because there was little that kept a woman from getting pregnant.
 
It's all his mum's fault.

This article has a pic of his father who was a 2nd Lt in WW2 apparently. He must have been pretty young as he was born in 1925 so would have only been 19 when the war ended in '44. If he served in the Pacific, I think that ended in '45, making him 20.





Gravestone for Theodore Heuermann
His father, Theodore Heuermann, died when the younger Heuermann was just 12 years old.ancestry.com
High school photo of Theodore Heuermann
Rex Heuermann boasted that his dad (pictured as a teen) had worked as an “aerospace engineer who built satellites” and was a cabinet maker.ancestry.com

Criminologist Scott Bonn, who accurately profiled the accused Gilgo Beach killer back in 2011, said that Heuermann was a “psychopath” and had heard his mom was “controlling and domineering,” which could have shaped his twisted persona.

“He had a kind of an unusual, incestuous [relationship], in an emotional sense, with his mother, [which] could be a contributing factor to his pathology,” said Bonn, who has extensively interviewed David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam, who had his own set of mommy issues.


“Who knows what was ticking beneath the surface,” the criminologist added. “He may [have been] projecting the loving doting son, when in fact there may have been some deep-seated resentment toward Mom.”
An incestuous relationship with his mom in an emotional manner. Yeah, I figured the childhood and his mom and dad were going to play in big and even what he saw or thought was a normal relationship or their sexual part of one as well.

As Mel says it is no excuse. And I agree. BUT I believe it big time plays in. Doesn't matter though, he's an adult with a brain to have decided through is life right from wrong, the norm form the not norm or okay, etc.

And I suspect there's more than this...
 
I am two behind on Grizzly's who arguably gives the best coverage to catch up on all so am watching the older one a day or two old and in just minutes there is a lot we should post here of articles and info she is covering if these articles and info are out there.. Like one was apparently or allegedly killed in the home, that a medical examiner which isn't typical was present at one of the storage units, etc. A statement put out by the family and so on. This I've heard in the first minutes of one of hers already.

And where did he go to college? I found myself wondering that the other day and something else that she mentioned. Talking of a SC girl who disappeared they are checking to see if he could possibly be involved, etc.

I'm sure some is speculation, etc., she is going through news and coverage but the statement put out by family is fact, etc.

She has had another one since this one as well. On this case. She has also put out more on Stauch and others in the last days. I sure don't have time to check them all out as well lol.

 

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