Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

I think that's part of my problem. Some were intact, some had partial remains here and there, some were here and some were there and not being from the area, the different beaches and areas and counties and so on gets confusing.

They are going to really have to get things clear to a jury imo, especially if more get added on.

 

[GrandmaBear]

From post 2871 here is a map.

"Prior to this, a tattoo artist in Connecticut came forward to say they recalled the woman with the distinctive design.

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Map showing where the remains of victims were found along Ocean Parkway
The announcement comes amid a legal battle between Heuermann's defense attorneys and Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney's office over crucial DNA evidence in the case."

That's not too bad of a map. Recent? Because both Tanya and Tatiana are named. So Vergata was a bit away from the rest and Mack and Tanya and Tatiana were too it looks like? Not sure how far but a bit anyhow. when partial remains different places and such get added in it really gets confusing. When one looks at this map though, all really don't look that far apart from each other overall...

 

[Tresir]

That's not too bad of a map. Recent? Because both Tanya and Tatiana are named. So Vergata was a bit away from the rest and Mack and Tanya and Tatiana were too it looks like? Not sure how far but a bit anyhow. when partial remains different places and such get added in it really gets confusing. When one looks at this map though, all really don't look that far apart from each other overall...

Yeah that map was in the DM article i posted 3 pages back. Only Tanya's limbs were found near her daughter. Her torso was miles away to the West at Hempstead Lake Park. I think Mack's remains and the others were partial remains too IIRC.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Only Tanya's limbs were found near her daughter. Her torso was miles away to the West at Hempstead Lake Park. I think Mack's remains and the others were partial remains too IIRC.

I think that's part of what makes it confusing at times. Places, parts, victims, etc. You keep it much straighter than I do.

Seeing just this above though makes it not so much so, with that map.

I think the killer and I mean likely CB set out to do just that, confuse, change MOs, etc. Strew body parts various places. When I look at that map, it's him imo. Gut says it is him.

BUT the baby and her ARE a bit different, however, he changed up other things and his searches had him searching all types too on his computer......

 

[Tresir]

I think that's part of what makes it confusing at times. Places, parts, victims, etc. You keep it much straighter than I do.

Seeing just this above though makes it not so much so, with that map.

I think the killer and I mean likely CB set out to do just that, confuse, change MOs, etc. Strew body parts various places. When I look at that map, it's him imo. Gut says it is him.

BUT the baby and her ARE a bit different, however, he changed up other things and his searches had him searching all types too on his computer......

Later on, with the Gilgo four, he didnt dismember them but just wrapped them in burlap, I believe.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Later on, with the Gilgo four, he didnt dismember them but just wrapped them in burlap, I believe.

Yes, but IF he is the one like in SC, he was in the woods on trails freaking people out, on the road or highway trying to get them by fake ruses, and in NY he did escorts, etc. SOOO I mean we don't know all but what we do know is he changed his MO many a time if he was the one in SC and so on.... He changed it in NY... He followed profilers...

To me anyone with a brain when an SK is profiled, and that news comes out, why would you keep doing the same thing if you are the SK....?

Don't get me wrong, I find profiling fascinating and watch such, but if the SK, they like to think--many of them--they are smarter than the cops and so on--so why wouldn't you change up your ways?

PLUS they learn. Like his manifesto or whatever it was, planning document, to go for smaller women, guessing he had trouble with one whether her fighting back or getting the victim disposed of...

the burlap yes, interesting with the later ones...

If any profiling is true, isn't it said every SK wants to outdo all the others or be as famous/notorious?

Mel would be good for this subject. She holds a ton of info on all the various ones.

 

[Regina]

Thanks for your help.
I remember a "Jones" Beach but I see that that's west of Gilgo Beach...and so according to that article, Tanya's remains were located west (not east) of "the Gilgo Four".
Cedar Beach doesn't sound familiar but I see that that's east of Gilgo.

Re my post, the article reported Tanya's remains at Jones Beach (west of Gilgo) but the map indicates east, which is accurate but rather than Cedar, I think it's Oak Beach, (which does sound familiar, lol) and that Baby Titania and Mack were found at Cedar.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Re my post, the article reported Tanya's remains at Jones Beach (west of Gilgo) but the map indicates east, which is accurate but rather than Cedar, I think it's Oak Beach, (which does sound familiar, lol) and that Baby Titania and Mack were found at Cedar.

Psheesh, that really helps us all keep it straight--not. Reporting these days is like well... I'll just say not impressed with it a lot of the time.... Reporting in general, not just this case. I'll leave it at that.

That map shows Tatiana, Mack and Tanya near each other doesn't it, and yet east? Of course without getting into partial remains.

 

[Regina]

Psheesh, that really helps us all keep it straight--not. Reporting these days is like well... I'll just say not impressed with it a lot of the time.... Reporting in general, not just this case. I'll leave it at that.

That map shows Tatiana, Mack and Tanya near each other doesn't it, and yet east? Of course without getting into partial remains.

Well, Mack and Baby Titania were near Cedar Beach but it's my understanding that Tanya was near Oak Beach, which is the next beach (lol) to the east.
The beaches along the parkway from west to east are: Jones, Gilgo, Cedar and then Oak.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, Mack and Baby Titania were near Cedar Beach but it's my understanding that Tanya was near Oak Beach, which is the next beach (lol) to the east.
The beaches along the parkway from west to east are: Jones, Gilgo, Cedar and then Oak.

OKAYYYYY. I'm trying... Too many beaches maybe. That map did show clearly from where he worked, that all are on a stretch of Long Island. And not all that far apart even with the different beaches. That simplified it to me in a way I needed it to lol. You know if I lived there of course, I'd know probably. I mean I know my own area whether it's Long Lake, Round Lake, and so on but it's harder when one doesn't know the area, never been to it, and so on and so many victims, different parts, different places, and so on.

LOL I think getting Daybell straight was my one big one I could take in and get straight with many victims and varying jurisdictions and so on.

Here, it sadly also is different parts found different places even and apparently the reporting isn't much better at it.

Like I said, that map was good in showing at least they are all along the same area and coast line basically even if the beach names or entries to them may differ. That simplified it for me at least.

RIght now I'd say he was responsible for all, although I will say there might be a one off out of all the victims that someone else POSSIBLY could have dumped out there. Like I've said, gut instinct, that map, all of them were him....

 

[Tresir]

Re my post, the article reported Tanya's remains at Jones Beach (west of Gilgo) but the map indicates east, which is accurate but rather than Cedar, I think it's Oak Beach, (which does sound familiar, lol) and that Baby Titania and Mack were found at Cedar.

Pretty sure her torso was reported as being found at Hempstead Lake Park in June 97. Her limbs were found much later in 2011 with her daughter and the 4 ? others who had been dismembered. I guess they had to spend a lot of time identifying these remains via DNA.

Will have to see if there are any 2011 reports about the finds.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm not going to try to keep up with the various body parts, years, etc. as I just don't think I can keep it straight. I know enough to know some were found in different years and different locations and not all at once.

I do tend to think it was all CB/RH because I think he was bent on outsmarting and changing his MO and such. Many LE or former I watched always thought the Gilgo were not connected to the others. I always did. I get that a bad administration and corruption didn't help, a bad investigation or lack of one, talk of other killers like Bitroff, but I still always felt it was one killer for the most part... Not sure why but I did. I allow and still do maybe one may not be or something but kind of doubt it.

Long before any arrest. Now we have an arrest and we find he was changing, learning, planning, followed profilers and more... Again his searches alone, he had young girls, Asians, etc...

Tanya and Tatiana are a bit different and I allow for it could have been personal, a bf, etc. but gut still says it's him to me. Of course we don't know. Just where i'm at with it.

 

[Tresir]

I'm not going to try to keep up with the various body parts, years, etc. as I just don't think I can keep it straight. I know enough to know some were found in different years and different locations and not all at once.

I do tend to think it was all CB/RH because I think he was bent on outsmarting and changing his MO and such. Many LE or former I watched always thought the Gilgo were not connected to the others. I always did. I get that a bad administration and corruption didn't help, a bad investigation or lack of one, talk of other killers like Bitroff, but I still always felt it was one killer for the most part... Not sure why but I did. I allow and still do maybe one may not be or something but kind of doubt it.

Long before any arrest. Now we have an arrest and we find he was changing, learning, planning, followed profilers and more... Again his searches alone, he had young girls, Asians, etc...

Tanya and Tatiana are a bit different and I allow for it could have been personal, a bf, etc. but gut still says it's him to me. Of course we don't know. Just where i'm at with it.

I agree it was him - the beheading and limb removal is his signature. A boyfriend wouldn't do that stuff IMO. He stopped that later with the Gilgo four. Changing his MO on purpose?

Now she is identified they should be able to find the link to him.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree it was him - the beheading and limb removal is his signature. A boyfriend wouldn't do that stuff IMO. He stopped that later with the Gilgo four. Changing his MO on purpose?

Now she is identified they should be able to find the link to him.

Exactly. She was not all there. The toddler is a bit different. AND shows an even more evil side of him to do such to a child.

Oh yes, I think he changed MOs on purpose. Some was maybe learning but I think a lot of such was intentional.

I think he was the person in some of the SC talk, totally different there too...

 

[Regina]

To me, it's Sandra Costilla's case that seems to stand out the most from others he's charged with but then again, at this point, it's also the earliest case he's charged with...

 

[GrandmaBear]

To me, it's Sandra Costilla's case that seems to stand out the most from others he's charged with but then again, at this point, it's also the earliest case he's charged with...

She was a bit different but offhand can't think of why. Darn like I said, never going to keep all straight. I can picture her, dark longer hair, shoulder length at least. Is that the one that connected him to past cases and not just the more recent ones? It started with the Gilgo certain time frame ones, then there was one that showed he was part of the older ones, was that hers?

 

[Tresir]

I am posting this link as a reminder whose murders he has been charged with as it is getting a bit confusing. The link is 4 months old.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann charged with seventh murder

Rex Heuermann, a New York architect, is accused of killing Valerie Mack, who was last seen by her family in New Jersey in 2000.

www.bbc.com

• • 17 December 2024

Rex Heuermann, a New York architect accused of a string of killings in Gilgo Beach on Long Island, has now been charged with the death of a seventh victim.

The 61-year-old was charged on Tuesday for killing Valerie Mack, who had been working as an escort in Philadelphia and was last seen by her family in New Jersey in 2000.

Prosecutors said Ms Mack was identified through DNA evidence, and they connected Mr Heuermann to her death in June because of a device found in his Long Island home where he supposedly kept detailed notes about serial killings.

He appeared in court on Tuesday and has pleaded not guilty to the murders.
Mr Heuermann has been held without bail since he was arrested in July 2023 outside his Manhattan architecture office.

He was initially charged with the murders of three women: Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Megan Waterman, 22, and Amber Costello, 27.

He was later charged with the murders of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, Jessica Taylor, 20, and Sandra Costilla, 28

The women were believed to be working as sex workers at the time of their deaths.

Since 2010, police have been investigating a string of at least 10 deaths on Gilgo Beach, Long Island.

The remains include 10 adults and one toddler, and the killings date back to at least 1993.

At a news conference on Tuesday, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney was joined by family members of the victims, who he said had "steadfastly stood by their loved ones and jealously guarded their memories.

"We have nothing but respect and admiration for those victims' families."

Mr Tierney said there were additional suspected murders still under investigation.

"We are not limiting this investigation to Gilgo Beach," Mr Tierney told reporters. "We will continue to work these cases."

Prosecutors said the DNA found on Ms Mack's remains matched that of Heurmann's family members. His family members are not thought to have been involved in the alleged crimes, but the evidence points to the possibility that the killings were carried out in the family's home.

Mr Tierney said there was evidence of "careful and meticulous planning" and that the road near where Ms Mack's remains were found was listed as a "DS" in the document – which investigators believe stands for "dump site".

IMAGE SOURCE,SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
Image caption,
Photos of four of the victims released by police
Prosecutors previously seized hundreds of electronic devices and 300 guns from the home, and say they found DNA evidence and a detailed "blueprint" of the crimes on Heuermann's computer.

A document included detailed labels outlining categories such as "problems", "supplies", "pre-prep", "prep" and "post-event", with references to "DNA", "tire marks" and "blood stains".

The document also highlighted lessons from past murders and killing methods that Mr Heuermann had researched.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I am posting this link as a reminder whose murders he has been charged with as it is getting a bit confusing. The link is 4 months old.

Gilgo Beach suspect Rex Heuermann charged with seventh murder

Rex Heuermann, a New York architect, is accused of killing Valerie Mack, who was last seen by her family in New Jersey in 2000.

www.bbc.com

• • 17 December 2024

Rex Heuermann, a New York architect accused of a string of killings in Gilgo Beach on Long Island, has now been charged with the death of a seventh victim.

The 61-year-old was charged on Tuesday for killing Valerie Mack, who had been working as an escort in Philadelphia and was last seen by her family in New Jersey in 2000.

Prosecutors said Ms Mack was identified through DNA evidence, and they connected Mr Heuermann to her death in June because of a device found in his Long Island home where he supposedly kept detailed notes about serial killings.

He appeared in court on Tuesday and has pleaded not guilty to the murders.
Mr Heuermann has been held without bail since he was arrested in July 2023 outside his Manhattan architecture office.

He was initially charged with the murders of three women: Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Megan Waterman, 22, and Amber Costello, 27.

He was later charged with the murders of Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, Jessica Taylor, 20, and Sandra Costilla, 28

The women were believed to be working as sex workers at the time of their deaths.

Since 2010, police have been investigating a string of at least 10 deaths on Gilgo Beach, Long Island.

The remains include 10 adults and one toddler, and the killings date back to at least 1993.

At a news conference on Tuesday, Suffolk County District Attorney Raymond Tierney was joined by family members of the victims, who he said had "steadfastly stood by their loved ones and jealously guarded their memories.

"We have nothing but respect and admiration for those victims' families."

Mr Tierney said there were additional suspected murders still under investigation.

"We are not limiting this investigation to Gilgo Beach," Mr Tierney told reporters. "We will continue to work these cases."

Prosecutors said the DNA found on Ms Mack's remains matched that of Heurmann's family members. His family members are not thought to have been involved in the alleged crimes, but the evidence points to the possibility that the killings were carried out in the family's home.

Mr Tierney said there was evidence of "careful and meticulous planning" and that the road near where Ms Mack's remains were found was listed as a "DS" in the document – which investigators believe stands for "dump site".

IMAGE SOURCE,SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
Image caption,
Photos of four of the victims released by police
Prosecutors previously seized hundreds of electronic devices and 300 guns from the home, and say they found DNA evidence and a detailed "blueprint" of the crimes on Heuermann's computer.

A document included detailed labels outlining categories such as "problems", "supplies", "pre-prep", "prep" and "post-event", with references to "DNA", "tire marks" and "blood stains".

The document also highlighted lessons from past murders and killing methods that Mr Heuermann had researched.

He is at SEVEN victims charged? Man, don't let me confuse things. Wow.

 

[Tresir]

He is at SEVEN victims charged? Man, don't let me confuse things. Wow.

Yep. I think i had forgotten exactly how many we were up to. So the ones still outstanding are Karen Vergata, Tanya and Tatiana, Cherries and Asian Doe. So 5 still to be charged, of which 2 still need identification.

 

[Regina]

She was a bit different but offhand can't think of why. Darn like I said, never going to keep all straight. I can picture her, dark longer hair, shoulder length at least. Is that the one that connected him to past cases and not just the more recent ones? It started with the Gilgo certain time frame ones, then there was one that showed he was part of the older ones, was that hers?

I think you may be thinking of Karen Vergata.
For me, I think it could be just that the Costilla charge was so unexpected and that's actually what seems different because now that I've thought about it longer, I really don't know much about her case.
Info is she was missing 11/19/1993 from NYC and found the next day in woods in North Sea, NY. and that DNA from a hair links to Heuermann. Of course, there could be more that links to him but the hair is all I've read about.
Btw, I've read that "credit cards" link Heuemann to at least one of the cases, which was news to me so I'm leary of it and it was reported in a general way and so that also makes me leary of it.