NV TOD MOTOR JOHN DOE: WM, 25-40, found suicide in hotel in Las Vegas, NV - 11 Sep 2006 - letter written in German *IDENTIFIED*

1240UMNV - Unidentified Male
Photograph of decedent.

Date of Discovery: September 11, 2006
Location of Discovery: Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada
Estimated Date of Death: Recent
State of Remains: Recognizable face
Cause of Death: Suicide by gunshot

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 25-40 years old
Race: White
Sex: Male
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 197 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown; stubble present.
Eye Color: Blue
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Surgical scar on lower left abdomen, 4"-6" long. Birthmark above the left knee.

Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Natural teeth in fair repair.
Fingerprints: Available.
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Gray Fruit of the Loom T-shirt, size XL; blue undershorts, Fruit of the Loom, size XL.
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
The decedent was found inside the Tod Motor Motel at 1508 Las Vegas Blvd. South, on September 11, 2006 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The man had checked into the hotel on August 21, 2006. When he failed to check out, as scheduled on September 11, he was found dead by the manager. He had died from an apparent self-iflected gunshot wound to his head.

He was using the name of a live person who had his identity stolen in California.

His property contained a letter written in German to his sister Brigit no last name, no address, no city/country - the decedent makes reference to an ex-wife named Karen that lives in Perth, Australia and a possible daughter named Amy.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Clark County Coroner
Agency Contact Person: Ashley Grygor
Agency Phone Number: 702-455-3210
Agency E-Mail: CoronerUnidentified(at)clarkcountyNV.gov
Agency Case Number: 06-07139

NCIC Case Number: Unknown
NamUs Case Number: 417

Information Source(s)
NamUs
Clark County Coroner

1240UMNV

#IDENTIFIED in 2023 #JohnDoe was found inside the Tod Motor Motel at 1508 Las Vegas Blvd. South, on September 11, 2006 in Las Vegas, Nevada

The man had checked into the hotel on August 21, 2006. When he failed to check out, as scheduled on September 11, he was found dead by the manager. He had died from an apparent self-iflected gunshot wound to his head. He was using the name of a...

www.crimewatchers.net

 

[Grungster]

No, Im not angered or angry at all.

Nor do I need instant gratification.

I only skimmed this thread reading some not all. I was not aware you are writing of it or that you would think I meant anything personally directed at you. I diidn't and don't.I

Imo authorities would the ones not giving out a name.

Imo as well, stealing someone's identity is a crime and I don't believe in adult criminals having their names guarded.

While I feel for the family or any family, I simply don't agree it is right.

And if protection is due to something he did for govt. or whatever else that talk is about, he is dead now and so his name being known cannot hurt him.

Again, I did not mean you nor anyone else on here was doing it, I assumed it was authorities or authorities as well for sure.

I am also not scared to disagree with others and say so if I do. I feel no need to always be in agreement, and people aren't always, not just me either.

Keeping a book suspenseful is a lot different that authorities holding back a name.

Imo as well, stealing someone's identity is a crime and I don't believe in adult criminals having their names guarded.

We can't deny the crime that TMD did. How he obtained the identity of a homeless man battling schizophrenia is horrible and unacceptable. However, even in criminal investigations, which this case is not, it's important for investigators to withhold the names of suspects due to the ongoing investigation. So even though this isn't a criminal investigation, most criminal investigations always involve withholding information for the sake of a strong case in court.

While I feel for the family or any family, I simply don't agree it is right.

Again, like my friend said - withholding TMD's name was at the request of his family. They have good reasons to not want their name(s) or his name out there. I don't know how many times this has to be said. Imagine if your family member passed away as a Doe and you found out 16 years after the fact like this gentleman's family did. Lot of emotions, right? Plus, the complex circumstances of his life that make it even more tragic and heartbreaking. I'm sorry you feel that it isn't right but you don't get to decide - TMD's family do.

And if protection is due to something he did for govt. or whatever else that talk is about, he is dead now and so his name being known cannot hurt him.

I thought this had been cleared up but if it hasn't, I'll say it again,

TMD was not a spy working for the American government or the German government. He was a deeply intelligent man but had a bad habit of scamming people, something he was skilled in so much that he was able to stay under the radar. TMD was many things - a secret agent was not one of them.

Yes, this coming September will be 18 years since he passed away and releasing his name may not hurt him, but it would absolutely impact his family. They just aren't ready yet.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But believe me, and my friend said this earlier - this man's life story suffices well above knowing his identity. A name doesn't tell a story - the story tells a story.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Imo as well, stealing someone's identity is a crime and I don't believe in adult criminals having their names guarded.

We can't deny the crime that TMD did. How he obtained the identity of a homeless man battling schizophrenia is horrible and unacceptable. However, even in criminal investigations, which this case is not, it's important for investigators to withhold the names of suspects due to the ongoing investigation. So even though this isn't a criminal investigation, most criminal investigations always involve withholding information for the sake of a strong case in court.

While I feel for the family or any family, I simply don't agree it is right.

Again, like my friend said - withholding TMD's name was at the request of his family. They have good reasons to not want their name(s) or his name out there. I don't know how many times this has to be said. Imagine if your family member passed away as a Doe and you found out 16 years after the fact like this gentleman's family did. Lot of emotions, right? Plus, the complex circumstances of his life that make it even more tragic and heartbreaking. I'm sorry you feel that it isn't right but you don't get to decide - TMD's family do.

And if protection is due to something he did for govt. or whatever else that talk is about, he is dead now and so his name being known cannot hurt him.

I thought this had been cleared up but if it hasn't, I'll say it again,

TMD was not a spy working for the American government or the German government. He was a deeply intelligent man but had a bad habit of scamming people, something he was skilled in so much that he was able to stay under the radar. TMD was many things - a secret agent was not one of them.

Yes, this coming September will be 18 years since he passed away and releasing his name may not hurt him, but it would absolutely impact his family. They just aren't ready yet.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But believe me, and my friend said this earlier - this man's life story suffices well above knowing his identity. A name doesn't tell a story - the story tells a story.

Read this fast and appreciate it but no time right now to respond.

Not sure why it is not a criminal investigation for one. A crime/crimes were committed.

Also quickly, about how many times you have to say sometthing, I made exactly two posts now, so I don't think you've had to say anything to me countless times. So not even sure what you mean by that.

I've already said it was not even directed at you or anyone. And no time right now. I haven't even finished reading your post.

I think I explained myself and my remark.

And believe me I have no investment at all in this case. Never was on my radar. You do clearly, and I have upset you. And so, I am not going to invest in some major back and forth but I also will clarify and stand.

I'm not fully ready and well informed on it but it did not take long to skim the couple of pages either. It isn't a pet case of mine as it is of yours.

Have at it. I don't need it in fact. I gave an opinion and that's all it was. And I can easily pay no attention at all to it and if you'd prefer that, I am happy to do so.

But I stand by my opinion.. Again, haven't read your entire post but if you want me to later I will. If you don't, happy to never look at it again, and not sure why there's no investigative side or criminal look at it.

 

[Grungster]

Read this fast and appreciate it but no time right now to respond.

Not sure why it is not a criminal investigation for one. A crime/crimes were committed.

Also quickly, about how many times you have to say sometthing, I made exactly two posts now, so I don't think you've had to say anything to me countless times. So not even sure what you mean by that.

I've already said it was not even directed at you or anyone. And no time right now. I haven't even finished reading your post.

I think I explained myself and my remark.

And believe me I have no investment at all in this case. Never was on my radar. You do clearly, and I have upset you. And so, I am not going to invest in some major back and forth but I also will clarify and stand.

I'm not fully ready and well informed on it but it did not take long to skim the couple of pages either. It isn't a pet case of mine as it is of yours.

Have at it. I don't need it in fact. I gave an opinion and that's all it was. And I can easily pay no attention at all to it and if you'd prefer that, I am happy to do so.
But I stand by my opinion.. Again, haven't read your entire post but if you want me to later I will. If you don't, happy to never look at it again, and not sure why there's no investigative side or criminal look at it.

If you don't, happy to never look at it again, and not sure why there's no investigative side or criminal look at it.

But there is an investigative side to it. When you get the time to read through all the details of this case, you'll understand that there has been investigation. My friend stated that TMD's family have "pushed and supported us in further investigating him in order to better understand his means and motives". You should read the whole thread when you get a chance because you yourself have admitted to not. Highly recommend even if it's not your "pet case". I didn't mean to interrupt your schedule, I apologize.

This isn't even a criminal investigation. And even if it was, he's been deceased for almost 20 years and can't be charged with anything.

I don't want to go back and forth either but sometimes things have to be clarified for the sake of the deceased and their case. Really all I'm trying to do - clarify. Not interrupt any schedules, hurt anyone's feelings, or release sensitive information that could endanger a family.

 

[Kimster]

No, Im not angered or angry at all.

Nor do I need instant gratification.

I only skimmed this thread reading some not all. I was not aware you are writing of it or that you would think I meant anything personally directed at you. I diidn't and don't.I

Imo authorities would the ones not giving out a name.

Imo as well, stealing someone's identity is a crime and I don't believe in adult criminals having their names guarded.

While I feel for the family or any family, I simply don't agree it is right.

And if protection is due to something he did for govt. or whatever else that talk is about, he is dead now and so his name being known cannot hurt him.

Again, I did not mean you nor anyone else on here was doing it, I assumed it was authorities or authorities as well for sure.

I am also not scared to disagree with others and say so if I do. I feel no need to always be in agreement, and people aren't always, not just me either.

Keeping a book suspenseful is a lot different that authorities holding back a name.

This isn’t about a book. This isn’t about your gratification. This is about a family who does not want his name out there and it’s their right. If it was your family and you didn’t want their name out there, I would back you up. And I’m going to back up this family.