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CA ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA - 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4 *GUILTY*

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I knew a couple who adopted a teen and she was a LOT of trouble for them and they "gave her back". I don't know the circumstances on how that was accomplished, I just know I was surprised that is an option.
It never fails to amaze me what we learn due to some of these cases. I never knew that was even an option. I guess I also do not see why one would adopt a teen before having that teen around for awhile to be sure it was a fit they all could handle or maybe fostering before making it permanent? If they got her as a younger child and then she was a problem when older, I would then say well that at times happens with biological children too, it is not a reason to "return" them.

Not judging, I am just surprised. I would think once adopted, that's it. Your responsibility no matter what until 18.
 
It never fails to amaze me what we learn due to some of these cases. I never knew that was even an option. I guess I also do not see why one would adopt a teen before having that teen around for awhile to be sure it was a fit they all could handle or maybe fostering before making it permanent? If they got her as a younger child and then she was a problem when older, I would then say well that at times happens with biological children too, it is not a reason to "return" them.

Not judging, I am just surprised. I would think once adopted, that's it. Your responsibility no matter what until 18.
Don't want to derail the thread, but IMO if you want a child you stick with it through all the problems that come your way, just like all the parents do daily. It's not butterflies and roses all the time, but that's called life. I didn't know that they can give them back and it disgusts me. Rant over🙂
 
Don't want to derail the thread, but IMO if you want a child you stick with it through all the problems that come your way, just like all the parents do daily. It's not butterflies and roses all the time, but that's called life. I didn't know that they can give them back and it disgusts me. Rant over🙂
Not wanting to derail either, just want to say I agree. Do they need a receipt like a return to a store? Smh.
 
Oh if anything is wrong with it, I am pretty sure they will be hearing it from LE or something. I am not sure there is anything wrong at all, I just wish I could find the part of any interview where the Chief stated that. I have not looked long enough to be sure it was not stated. I guess I am just saying I am not going to log it as fact just yet for me.
I emailed them. ;)
 
It never fails to amaze me what we learn due to some of these cases. I never knew that was even an option. I guess I also do not see why one would adopt a teen before having that teen around for awhile to be sure it was a fit they all could handle or maybe fostering before making it permanent? If they got her as a younger child and then she was a problem when older, I would then say well that at times happens with biological children too, it is not a reason to "return" them.

Not judging, I am just surprised. I would think once adopted, that's it. Your responsibility no matter what until 18.
It was quite awhile ago, but I do remember the teen and she was quite manipulative. She may have also accused one of their male family members of wrongdoing, too. It was very sad all the way around. I remember my friend was heartbroken. Later on, she took care of the girl's child for her, so the door wasn't completely shut.
 
My best guess right now is that something happened that morning. That's why the other kids were all ushered out of the house and left somewhere else.
JMO. Based on what we know right now. Which could change.
Definitely a possibility. I am watching a Duty Ron one off and on that I missed when it was live yesterday while doing some other things. He is retired NYPD and he and another retired LE feel they never let Bakersfield. He also states there have been several warrants executed in Bakersfield which from anything I have seen is not common knowledge and allegedly that comes from the Bakersfield Chief. He also now has talked with the Cali City Chief and although he did not question him regarding things he knows cannot be shared, they connected about LE in general, careers, and some other things and he still feels they never made it to Cali City. Of course that is just his own opinion which he makes clear. It carries a bit of weight with me though and he does know the recent coverage regarding the surveillance video.

Many people commenting everywhere do feel if the other children did say they saw the boys on the 19th that they were coached or threatened by the APs to say that.

I guess to me it is therefore all still up in the air but I am one that doubts they ever were in Cali City and I have leaned that way from the start. Certainly could be wrong, just my opinion.
 
Many people commenting everywhere do feel if the other children did say they saw the boys on the 19th that they were coached or threatened by the APs to say that.
My only questioning on this would be....if they are going to "coach" the other children, wouldn't you coach them in regards to your original story? They'd be telling them to say that they saw them that day, the 21st, wouldn't you think?

It's absolutely possible that they never made it to California City. I'll agree with you there. I'd say that's #2 on my list at the moment.
 
My only questioning on this would be....if they are going to "coach" the other children, wouldn't you coach them in regards to your original story? They'd be telling them to say that they saw them that day, the 21st, wouldn't you think?

It's absolutely possible that they never made it to California City. I'll agree with you there. I'd say that's #2 on my list at the moment.
True but if they were scheduled to go to grandma's they couldn't use the 21st and if they sent them off for a reason so they could stage and call, they couldn't use that date either with the other kids. I get your point though and it's a good one and it could definitely be the case. Assuming the Chief did in fact say this, it is interesting that it is not specified if the other kids saw them in the van or where on the 19th... In the home? In the van? At granny's? And they sure appear to come home with NO children on the 19th...
 
Man there are some Youtubers and people commenting in this case that take things and run wild. Now they are going on about an alleged surveillance camera capture of the adoptive parents sex toy shopping in a sex shop. Now while I think this would be in terrible taste and questionable with two children missing, I think it came from FB and one cannot tell beyond a shadow of a doubt it is them, that it was not photo shopped, what they are looking at or even what the store is/kind of store from at least what I have seen. Now they are wondering about the parents' sex life and more or their preferences. I about cannot read any more of it.

Go figure that there are no dates or time stamps on the pics... People are jumping to children and sex and a front for a store for child selling and going absolutely nuts.

Of course like just about everything else that has been unconfirmed and rumor in this case, the owner does not want to get out there to confirm but someone apparently had no problem posting it on social media and it had to come from the store right...? The owner allegedly has talked to one or two Youtubers when contact was made... The Youtubers though can only allege that and not even a voice, email or anything to confirm. Seems to be the way most of these things are in this case when it is something like this that just pops up out of almost "nowhere" it seems...

For me, I am seeing that there are a few who these things seem to stem from who pass these things on or perhaps even come up with them for clicks. I won't name them but suffice it to say most of who I watch do not run insane with such things and these other ones I have started to doubt big time the motivation and tactics. Unfortunately commenters come into the saner channels and comment on these things to a ridiculous point.

I can say I haven't watched Youtube for all that long, several months maybe, but this case has gone over the top with this stuff compared to any I have seen prior.

I bring it up here I guess to just point out there is much out there that is far from fact in this one and sadly some of these things then become stated and passed on as fact in this case in a way I have never seen before. It is sad in that it takes the focus away from the boys.

Could it matter? I guess it could relate to something, be a front, part of trafficking, etc. but an unconfirmed sighting and pic that in no way would serve as evidence with no date stamp, etc. in any way should result in the wild theories being posted everywhere. Jmo.

Smh.
 

Police use imaging devices on landscape in search of missing Cal City boys​

The California City Police Department returned to the adoptive parents' home of missing Orrin and Orson West to use imaging devices to take photos of several feet of ground on the property.


Police have not named any suspects or persons of interest, but the boys' biological mother Ryan Dean said she blames the adoptive parents.

On Monday, a group of family members from the boys' biological family stating they received reports of activity at the adoptive father Trezell West's family home in Bakersfield. The biological family said a confrontation occurred and the Bakersfield Police Department was called, who stated they were not involved in the case as it is under the Cal City Police Department's jurisdiction.

Nothing of significance was found during the search of the Cal City home Monday, according to California City Police Chief Jon Walker.

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Just a heads up although I do not have when exactly yet. Dutyron on Youtube is going to have the Police Chief on a live either he thinks tomorrow night or the next, it depends when the Chief can find the time. He has reached out to him as retired LE and has had a conversation or two with him. He will be asking some questions. Bill Cannon will also be on with Dutyron. It is a show I sure hope I can catch live as it is with the Cali City Police Chief. If I catch a time and it gets posted at some point, I will try to remember to post it here.
 

Police use imaging devices on landscape in search of missing Cal City boys​

The California City Police Department returned to the adoptive parents' home of missing Orrin and Orson West to use imaging devices to take photos of several feet of ground on the property.


Police have not named any suspects or persons of interest, but the boys' biological mother Ryan Dean said she blames the adoptive parents.

On Monday, a group of family members from the boys' biological family stating they received reports of activity at the adoptive father Trezell West's family home in Bakersfield. The biological family said a confrontation occurred and the Bakersfield Police Department was called, who stated they were not involved in the case as it is under the Cal City Police Department's jurisdiction.

Nothing of significance was found during the search of the Cal City home Monday, according to California City Police Chief Jon Walker.

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I wonder why they think it’s possible that the kids are in California City?
 
I wonder why they think it’s possible that the kids are in California City?
I wonder the same. He told the Youtuber I mentioned just above that they are somewhat going through the check list, crossing Ts and dotting is. Like showing that they are not possibly at the last place reportedly seen, etc.

Even with that said, I am not sure what to believe. They keep returning to that home.
 
This case is absolutely crazy out there. I am not sure I agree with what some Youtube channels are doing. I have never seen anything like it. Not to this point. Some of it borders vigilante almost and if not that, coming as close to pushing the laws and boundaries as can be done.

It is very clear some are doing it for clicks, subscribers and money and NOTHING else. They keep out the parts that I suspect do not help them or paint them in a bad light while they send people into a ridiculous frenzy with absolutely unconfirmed and even minor things. Of course all claim to care about the boys. I do not even know where the hordes of people are coming from commenting with somewhat very ridiculous theories imo. We all were at one time new to crime, etc. but like arrests should have been made day one they say (on what?) and warrants should be issued for searches that as far as I can see, LE would have no cause to be able to be granted a warrant or laughed at by the judge if officers requested one on the basis of what these certain Youtubers or commenters think would be reason enough.

There is definitely a reason to, aside from the investigation, look hard into CPS and what happened that these children were put with this family and taken from the bio mom. However, frenzies are whipped up and major rabbit holes over Cali City Chief, Bakersfield PD, any LE, CPS and more, they have grandparents involved that are being borderline harassed to no end and more. While I guess this truly could be this big and this wide, that would be major corruption on a HUGE scale with a number of parties, LE departments, family members and agencies.

I am all for looking into in depth, corruption. Fort Hood would be a great example. However, this is nuts and the way some are going about it I think helps nothing and even hurts and hinders it. Oh and then creators are dissing each other and competing...

Oh and trafficking. The Bakersfield bust had to be connected per many even though the investigation was said to have been going on for two years and it involved no young male children.

Sorry to go on but it is crazy. I do believe there is some corrupt sh*t in this case and the area it is in adds to that for what appear to be facts of a corrupt CPS and some other things, but again, it has gone totally past that into the wildest theories. All it does is distract from imo finding the boys and culprits first and then all else can be looked at IF there is any basis for it.

Rant over.
 
Again, security footage is nothing we didn't already know. But now the detectives are commenting on it so it's "new". But they also now say that the other children did NOT see the boys the day they disappeared, or the day before.

New Security Cam footage on the days before West boys went missing
Four-year-old Orrin West and three-year-old Orson West from California City have been missing now for five weeks now.

The California City Police Chief is now speaking on security camera footage from a neighbor, from the day the boys went missing. Police Chief Walker says the security cam footage is consistent with the statements from Trazell and Jacqueline West.

The security camera footage shows on Dec. 21 at 5:33 P.M., Trazell starts looking for the boys around the neighborhood.


Jon Walker, Police Chief for the California City Department, says the boys' adoptive parents claim they left their California City house on Dec. 19 with their six children, to go do Christmas shopping in Bakersfield.

Security camera footage from a neighbor shows an adult holding the door open while four children go into the van. Then later that day two adults, which appear to be Trazell and Jacqueline West, come back to the house without any kids.

Chief Walker says the parents claim they dropped off four of their children, not including Orrin and Orson, at a family member's home that day. Walker says Dec. 19 was the last day the other four children say they saw Orrin and Orson.

I emailed them. ;)
Attention please!!!

While I did NOT receive a reply from BakersfieldNOW, the bolded statement from @SheWhoMustNotBeNamed has since been removed from the article. :unsure:
 
Attention please!!!

While I did NOT receive a reply from BakersfieldNOW, the bolded statement from @SheWhoMustNotBeNamed has since been removed from the article. :unsure:
That is very interesting and actually fits what I thought from the start. I did not want to accuse some reporter or anything but this was put out when he had footage of all else he referred to with the chief commenting. Never was this part shown. No one turns off their camera or recording talking to the Chief. I also found it very very hard to believe he would ever comment on what the other children/minors said. Maybe one day if it gets to court, etc. Not otherwise.

On top of that, there are people everywhere claiming the Chief said the parents are not suspects and are cleared. Nowhere, no how and no way have I seen or found anything to confirm that. He DID say they have named no suspects. Also, people are claiming the parents took a lie detector test and the parents passed and that is why the Chief cleared them and said they are not suspects! I truly can't decide if someone or a bunch of people are trying to muddy the waters in this case on behalf of the APs or what?? Or if it is just people who hear one thing and run with it. There are most certainly a couple of Youtube channels that I hold responsible (in my own mind anyhow) for a bit of it.

This statement though you refer to here was in an actual media article by an actual reporter.

Smh seriously on what one can count on or trust for news anymore. I am not a media fan for these very reasons and more.
 
That is very interesting and actually fits what I thought from the start. I did not want to accuse some reporter or anything but this was put out when he had footage of all else he referred to with the chief commenting. Never was this part shown. No one turns off their camera or recording talking to the Chief. I also found it very very hard to believe he would ever comment on what the other children/minors said. Maybe one day if it gets to court, etc. Not otherwise.

On top of that, there are people everywhere claiming the Chief said the parents are not suspects and are cleared. Nowhere, no how and no way have I seen or found anything to confirm that. He DID say they have named no suspects. Also, people are claiming the parents took a lie detector test and the parents passed and that is why the Chief cleared them and said they are not suspects! I truly can't decide if someone or a bunch of people are trying to muddy the waters in this case on behalf of the APs or what?? Or if it is just people who hear one thing and run with it. There are most certainly a couple of Youtube channels that I hold responsible (in my own mind anyhow) for a bit of it.

This statement though you refer to here was in an actual media article by an actual reporter.

Smh seriously on what one can count on or trust for news anymore. I am not a media fan for these very reasons and more.
I respond to many journalists where they blur the line of opinion & fact so it needed to be addressed & apparently my email was read and taken seriously.

In a lot of high profile cases the media frenzy wears down and then the rumors start flying. So, unless the Chief publically states the facts, then disregard all the other drama and leave it for another site to run with. ;)
 

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