LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY* (7 Viewers)

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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DM article pretty much gets it right. Pics of their marriage and her supposedly fawning over them is sickening.

i won't copy pasta for that reason but DM put Libby and Abby's pics in the corners of their pics and get the tone right in the article IMO.

 
I think she likes the spotlight. They sold the house and she got out of Dodge pretty quick IMO. Now she is somewhere out of state but in the news while they push the appeal. I cannot figure her out.
Knew she sold the home, not sure I knew whether she moved or not. It's hard to say her financial shape or how long she can get by/ She'd still need housing whether she bought another or rented, her job was likely gone or on very shaky ground. Did anyone ever look up how high of a mortgage the owed and what she cleared?

I think she should stay out of Delphi.

His family is in the area where is her family from?

Yeah there's something about her... Something about all wives like this imo...
 
Knew she sold the home, not sure I knew whether she moved or not. It's hard to say her financial shape or how long she can get by/ She'd still need housing whether she bought another or rented, her job was likely gone or on very shaky ground. Did anyone ever look up how high of a mortgage the owed and what she cleared?

I think she should stay out of Delphi.

His family is in the area where is her family from?

Yeah there's something about her... Something about all wives like this imo...
I don't know where her family are from but he has recently been moved to an Oklahoma jail in a prisoner swop so i am wondering if that is where she is now.
 
I don't know where her family are from but he has recently been moved to an Oklahoma jail in a prisoner swop so i am wondering if that is where she is now.
No consideration would be given to him or her as to where he is. He made no deal, did not help out, did not negotiate for such. They hav no leg to stand on requestmg anything. This isn't unusual either. We had a double murderer in WI who was prompty shipped off and traded to New Mexico after conviction. His family lives in WI and it is MOREo of a hardship due to that to ever see him.

I can't know of course but I get the impression they are both classic midwesterners and she doesn't hail from too far, maybe an adjoining state or another county in their own...
 
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"The reasons a person might be transferred to another state might be for safekeeping, inmates from high-profile cases, or to move an offender closer to family, Thompson said, adding that she does not know why Allen was transferred to Oklahoma."
 
We have Christopher Watts here. it is usually safekeeping, defendant/case less known. Family can ask but I guarantee it's not very commonly granted on that basis. Sometimes it is also facilities like a Supermax prison.
 
Y'all will find this ironic. After all my complaining about RA being stuffed away in IDOC, my own County has a berserk prisoner they're hoping to hand over to IDOC promptly. IDOC has 3 mental health facilities that are more equipped to deal with a guy that keeps bashing his head into walls. :( He needs his competency evaluation pronto anyway. Hearing tomorrow.
 
This is the wiki for the murders.


There is a section on the work history of Allen.

Richard Matthew Allen (born September 1972)[33][34][35] grew up in Mexico, Indiana. Allen was a student at North Miami Middle/High School in neighboring Denver where he participated in football, track and field until graduating in 1991. Allen attended Ivy Tech Community College where he studied accounting, and had a short stint in both the U.S. Army and National Guard. Allen was later married and had one daughter. From 2003 until 2013, he worked as a store manager at a Logansport Walmart. He later worked at two CVS Pharmacy stores, one in neighboring Peru and the other in Delphi, before receiving his pharmacy technician license in February 2018.[36] Public records show that Allen relocated to Delphi from Mexico in December 2006.[37]
Shortly after his arrest, Allen told authorities that on the day of the murders he was at his mother's house in Peru while his wife was working. Allen estimated that he left the house around 11:15 a.m., and arrived on the Monon High Trail around an hour later. Allen said that he saw three girls passing by on the trail, before stating that he did not see anybody else afterward. Allen said he then went on his phone to watch the stocks ticker while walking on the trail. Shortly after the murders, Allen told his wife that he was on the trail the day the girls went missing. His wife mentioned that the police were looking to talk to people who may have information. He then self-reported to a Department of Natural Resources officer three days after the murders.[38]
 

Delphi murders: Richard Allen’s attorneys granted another extension​

Attorneys handling the appeal for convicted Delphi murderer Richard Allen will get more time to prepare their case.

Mark K. Leeman and Stacy Uliana filed paperwork last week seeking an extension of a Sept. 5 deadline to submit their brief to the Indiana Court of Appeals.

The appellate court granted the request on Monday.

Facing a Sept. 5 deadline, the attorneys said they would be unable to file a brief by that time. They cited a voluminous amount of information to go through, including transcripts from various hearings and the trial, numerous interviews and documents, media files and video, depositions, physical exhibits and autopsy reports, among other material.


On Monday, the Indiana Court of Appeals granted the request, giving the attorneys a “final extension” until Oct. 6.
 
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INDIANAPOLIS (WXIN) — Libby German, Abby Williams and their families were honored as “Crimefighters of the Year” at CrimeCon 2025 in Denver, an annual conference devoted to true crime, this past weekend.

Also on stage were Indiana State Police Lieutenant Jerry Holeman, who led the investigation against Richard Allen and Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland who successfully convinced jurors to convict Allen for the 2017 killings and then a judge to sentence him to 130 years in prison.

”It’s a new experience. Never been to anything like this before,” McLeland told a breakout audience. “It’s been nice to meet a lot of folks out here and kind of walk around and see the different content creators, different genres of, I guess, the true crime world that are out there.”

Throughout the case, social media interest in the Delphi killings of the two girls near the Monon High Bridge was intense and sometimes intruded into the investigation as McLeland defended both detectives and his prosecution team at a briefing hours after Allen was sentenced last December.

“They were attacked by members of the internet for their integrity, they were called corrupt, they were called evil and they were called liars and they weathered that storm with professionalism,” McLeland said that day. “They spent countless hours chasing down leaks of crime scene photos, countless hours attempting to scrub the internet of those crime scene photos.”

McLeland recalled his advice to the girls’ families throughout the case.

”A lot of it was, ‘Hey, try not to read that stuff you see on the internet,’ which is easier said than done.”

At that same briefing, ISP Superintendent Doug Carter spoke to the audience of people who likely would make up the CrimeCon 2025 attendees.

“Let’s heal. Let’s tone down the rhetoric,” Carter said. “Stop all the politics and all the nonsense and all the conspiracy theories.”

CrimeCon 2025 signage and attendees acknowledged their obsession with true crime.

”It started by me watching YouTube videos,” said Victoria Barrasbrantner, who traveled from New Orleans to Denver for the conference. ”If you’re into true crime or anything about crime or have been a victim of a crime, this is a good support network right here.”

Some attendees were admittedly dazzled to meet television and podcast hosts who feed their interest in true crime coverage.

”I’m a huge true crime addict, so it’s fun to be around everybody else that is too,” said Saja Janney. ”Both my mom and I are huge true crimers.”

Attendees circulated among booths selling merchandise and visited with members of Libby and Abby’s families in meet-and-greets and also a breakout session titled, “Hope, Heartbreak and Justice: The Delphi Case.”

Libby’s grandparents attended a previous CrimeCon in 2018 in Nashville.

”I just think that everyone is very, very cool here. Like everyone walking around, complimenting everyone being on the same page with all the true crime, I think is really, really cool,” said Janney. ”Meeting some of like the small podcasters that I heard like only one or two of their episodes of but still never seeing them, but it’s just cool to kind of meet like a little bit of a celebrity in my eyes.”

During a session titled “From Tragedy to Justice: Inside the Delphi Investigation and Prosecution,” Holeman and McLeland led attendees through the seven-year-plus quest to solve the murders.

”We had, I think over 70,000 tips we had to go through all of them and it took a lot of time and effort,” said Holeman, “but 69,999 of them weren’t the one we were looking for.”

”The evidence is there,” said McLeland when asked if Allen was guilty of the killings. “He placed himself on the bridge. We assert he is the man on the bridge. He is the last person who had contact with the girls. We tied him to the crime scene. And then you have his confessions, so I believe he is the right guy. The jury came down with the correct verdict and he’s guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Holeman and McLeland were also honored as “Crimefighters of the Year,” an award handed to them by “America’s Most Wanted” creator and host John Walsh.

Also attending CrimeCon 2025 was Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison, who updated attendees on the ongoing investigation into the Fox Hollow murders of mass killer Herbert Baumeister, who preyed on young gay males in Indianapolis in the 1990s.
 
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INDIANAPOLIS (WXIN) — Libby German, Abby Williams and their families were honored as “Crimefighters of the Year” at CrimeCon 2025 in Denver, an annual conference devoted to true crime, this past weekend.

Also on stage were Indiana State Police Lieutenant Jerry Holeman, who led the investigation against Richard Allen and Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland who successfully convinced jurors to convict Allen for the 2017 killings and then a judge to sentence him to 130 years in prison.

”It’s a new experience. Never been to anything like this before,” McLeland told a breakout audience. “It’s been nice to meet a lot of folks out here and kind of walk around and see the different content creators, different genres of, I guess, the true crime world that are out there.”

Throughout the case, social media interest in the Delphi killings of the two girls near the Monon High Bridge was intense and sometimes intruded into the investigation as McLeland defended both detectives and his prosecution team at a briefing hours after Allen was sentenced last December.

“They were attacked by members of the internet for their integrity, they were called corrupt, they were called evil and they were called liars and they weathered that storm with professionalism,” McLeland said that day. “They spent countless hours chasing down leaks of crime scene photos, countless hours attempting to scrub the internet of those crime scene photos.”

McLeland recalled his advice to the girls’ families throughout the case.

”A lot of it was, ‘Hey, try not to read that stuff you see on the internet,’ which is easier said than done.”

At that same briefing, ISP Superintendent Doug Carter spoke to the audience of people who likely would make up the CrimeCon 2025 attendees.

“Let’s heal. Let’s tone down the rhetoric,” Carter said. “Stop all the politics and all the nonsense and all the conspiracy theories.”

CrimeCon 2025 signage and attendees acknowledged their obsession with true crime.

”It started by me watching YouTube videos,” said Victoria Barrasbrantner, who traveled from New Orleans to Denver for the conference. ”If you’re into true crime or anything about crime or have been a victim of a crime, this is a good support network right here.”

Some attendees were admittedly dazzled to meet television and podcast hosts who feed their interest in true crime coverage.

”I’m a huge true crime addict, so it’s fun to be around everybody else that is too,” said Saja Janney. ”Both my mom and I are huge true crimers.”

Attendees circulated among booths selling merchandise and visited with members of Libby and Abby’s families in meet-and-greets and also a breakout session titled, “Hope, Heartbreak and Justice: The Delphi Case.”

Libby’s grandparents attended a previous CrimeCon in 2018 in Nashville.

”I just think that everyone is very, very cool here. Like everyone walking around, complimenting everyone being on the same page with all the true crime, I think is really, really cool,” said Janney. ”Meeting some of like the small podcasters that I heard like only one or two of their episodes of but still never seeing them, but it’s just cool to kind of meet like a little bit of a celebrity in my eyes.”

During a session titled “From Tragedy to Justice: Inside the Delphi Investigation and Prosecution,” Holeman and McLeland led attendees through the seven-year-plus quest to solve the murders.

”We had, I think over 70,000 tips we had to go through all of them and it took a lot of time and effort,” said Holeman, “but 69,999 of them weren’t the one we were looking for.”

”The evidence is there,” said McLeland when asked if Allen was guilty of the killings. “He placed himself on the bridge. We assert he is the man on the bridge. He is the last person who had contact with the girls. We tied him to the crime scene. And then you have his confessions, so I believe he is the right guy. The jury came down with the correct verdict and he’s guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Holeman and McLeland were also honored as “Crimefighters of the Year,” an award handed to them by “America’s Most Wanted” creator and host John Walsh.

Also attending CrimeCon 2025 was Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison, who updated attendees on the ongoing investigation into the Fox Hollow murders of mass killer Herbert Baumeister, who preyed on young gay males in Indianapolis in the 1990s.
If I was younger, got around better, liked crowds or didnt mind them as I used to be when younger, I'd definitely attend Crime Con at least once!
 

Man convicted in Delphi murders will appeal two issues​

We are learning new details about the plans to appeal the Delphi murder case.

Richard Allen is serving a 130-year prison sentence for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in 2017.

Allen's defense attorneys filed motions this week detailing at least two issues they plan to challenge.

One is the denial of the motion to suppress and exclude third-party evidence at trial. This is in relation to the search warrant used to enter Allen's Delphi home, where they found knives, a blue Carhartt jacket, and the handgun.

The other challenge is for the judge not allowing the defense to present other suspects at trial.https://www.wlky.com/article/man-convicted-delphi-murders-transferred-oklahoma-prison/65469624
 
What the heck is third party evidence with regard to the search? Who is the third party? I don't know that I've ever heard of this, so not clear on what they mean by that.

As far as the other suspect thing, to introduce such requires a high standard they have to meet and they didn't have that. They can't just go accusing people they can't place there, etc. although they sure (unethically imo) tried with their Frank's memo they made sure all saw.

Jmo.
 

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