CA KIELY RODNI: Missing from a campground in Truckee, CA - 6 August 2022 - Age 16 *Found Deceased*

Police investigate possible abduction of 16-year-old girl who disappeared from campground party

Detectives in Northern California have launched an abduction investigation after a 16-year-old girl vanished from a large party Saturday.

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Kiely Rodni was last seen attending "a party of more than 100 juveniles and young adults" near the Prosser Family Campground in Truckee, California, at 12:30 a.m. Saturday, according to the Placer County Sheriff's Office. Also missing from the party was Rodni's car, a silver 2013 Honda CRV.

Her phone has been out of service since the party, authorities said. At a news conference Tuesday, Placer County Sheriff's Sgt. Scott Alford said her phone last sent data at 12:33 a.m. Saturday

KIELY RODNI: Missing from a campground in Truckee, CA since 6 August 2022 - Age 16

Kiely Rodni was last seen attending "a party of more than 100 juveniles and young adults" near the Prosser Family Campground in Truckee, California, at 12:30 a.m. Saturday, according to the Placer County Sheriff's Office. Also missing from the...

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[Guess Who]

So any time a driver has their seat belt on they are found in the driver's seat you mean? Or any time a person doesn't they are found in the hatchback area if there is one? Not sure I buy that, everything sounds to me like it depends on a lot of factors, windows open or not, weight of car, positioning and a lot more. I can believe it may be common.

I was just reading an article about the air bubble forming or air pocket being something that is a bit mythical and should not be waited for or counted on by any stretch of the imagination. I think it was an ABC news article. Also said you don't go for a door, you go for a window or should.

Anyhow...

How could anyone possibly know she wasn't wearing a seat belted? I haven't heard that. Not arguing just figuring it is an assumption by some. Or did someone see her leave?

I think people are making a lot of assumptions to be sure this is an accident as much as or even more than people are doing it the other way, probably because they think it is the likelihood in such cases so they just conclude it like LE sometimes does with such things and also with suicides. I don't think things should ever not be questioned or questions answered if they can be/investigated. I'm not talking of you or anyone here, just in general out there that it is no more a sure thing than otherwise at this point. While I don't think the most outlandish theories out there are likely, there most definitely is enough to wonder and a lot of legitimate questions that remain unanswered.

Doug said on Duty Ron tonight they most definitely check the gear and other things for investigators so all can be confirmed before touched, etc. He also said he couldn't comment on it further but that the FBI has the info and they'd be the ones to investigate, etc. He didn't insinuate one way or the other but Jared said the wheels were turning which indicates neutral. He also didn't comment on anything he may have noted with anything else or seat belt, etc. Well actually I'm not through the total video yet but he did respond to the gear question already.

Interestingly you can see when they locate it on sonar the wheel turning and the vehicle sitting entirely on its top.

Well, how could she be in the back if she was still seatbelts. That would imply by itself that she wasn't in her seatbelt.

The wheel turning would be from the current in the water.

 

[Regina]

It seems confirmed with the video of the dive that the passenger front window was broken and the driver's back seat window was halfway down. They showed the dive in the Duty Ron one above. And the car underwater upside down.

At the time of the dive, the diver said that the one window was all the way down, not broken.

 

[Regina]

Also it crossed my mind she may have broken it but if she had managed that I would think she would have instantly tried to go out that way.

It's highly unlikely- AWP might actually say it's impossible- that she'd have been able to break a window. (They have a video that demonstrates the difficulty.)

 

[Regina]

I'm curious as to whether it was determined- and when- that Kiely's phone went off the radar. (Remember the confusion as to whether the phone was turned off or died and when that was? And confusion as to whether there actually was a "last ping"?)
From the video of the campground to the discovery site, the drive takes roughly 4 min, 35 secs (at 5 miles an hour, I think she said) and I'm wondering how that info correlates with the 12:33 phone call and when the phone went off radar.

 

[GrandmaBear]

And if a window was down, the water might have been pouring in too fast to be able to get out of that window. You would have to wait until the pressure equalizes and water wasn't pouring in to be able to get out that way.

It sounds to me like you are to go for a window and not a door. What window was she going to get out in the hatchback if it did equalize? And an air bubble is often a myth from various things I've read and heard. You have like two to three minutes of breath holding tops once in water (the person in water) and it has to be right away, You don't wait for it to go under even ideally before getting out and opening windows and after that it is far worse. From what I understand. Did she get out of her seat, take a tool with her and manage to get all the way to the back after being submerged? If she took no tool or got no window open in the hatchback which she didn't from what it sounds like then she panicked and she still had to get by that open window in the back seat and pressure if that was the case. And upside down that half open window would be on the bottom side where she would have to be to get over (under) all the seats if it had flipped. If she went for the back intentionally, she definitely panicked imo which a person would but then I wouldn't think you'd have enough presence of mind to put it in neutral then either if panicked, not that it helped anything and not that I am sure at all that she did that or was the one who did... MAYBE she did that before it dived but a 16 year old intoxicated supposedly and not expecting to go in the water does that...? If she had that much presence of mind, then she wouldn't have been in the wrong area in the first place... When one picks one thing as fact then another doesn't jive with it...

If she went for the back intentionally, she definitely panicked imo which a person would but then I wouldn't think you'd have enough presence of mind to put it in neutral then either. Doug confirmed the wheels were rolling when they spotted it on sonar.

There were two experts on the Duty Ron one above, Doug from AWP and a retired guy from a very elite bunch of divers tied to the NYPD I think. He knew his stuff too and to even be on that team they had to pass a physical test that something like 85 percent failed. They had a lot of military guys on it and more. One of the things they dived for was the Captain Sully plane incident. A few other tests as well are required to even make it and they dive in waters one can't see in. Very elite. Very experienced. He talked the language and facts with AWP and knew his stuff and said they did as well.

I will note Doug didn't hint at things in the same way Jared did but he did share what he could including the FBI knows the gear of the car as does he, etc.

Doug confirmed the wheels were rolling when they spotted it on sonar.

I HOPE this was an accident and it could very well be yet but even then if she has more than alcohol in her system, someone should be brought up on drugs charges and more, selling, providing to minors, you name it. Providing alcohol as well to minors of course but illegal drugs are another story. As is anything laced also. I don't know just how lenient Cali has become with formerly illicit drugs but I doubt it includes providing them to minors?

 

[GrandmaBear]

At the ramp at the lake by my grandpa's house, the Corps had to put up a huge sign with flashing lights.that said "LAKE AHEAD" right before the ramp because they had to drag too many cars out of there. It's soooooooo dark out there and you can't see two inches in front of you on a cloudy or moonless night. Even after they put the signs up, they still get cars in it, but not nearly as many. No fatalities that I know of though.

Supposedly the it was a moonlit night in California and she was familiar with the area.

Even so, dark is different than day time driving. I wonder more if she was initially down by the lake for a reason. The AWP guy said last night this is a spot as are many spots around this "lake" of bbqs, parties, picnics, etc. with frequent use. it also wasn't much of if any drop though again she knew the area. Has been said numerous times. But if inebriated or put the car in the wrong gear because she was messed up...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Unless I'm mistaken, Jared's info that the wheels turning means that the vehicle was in neutral is incorrect. Apparently, he was informed by someone with better knowledge of that particular vehicle.

I think that did end up getting covered as to that particular vehicle. Not sure if it is confirmed. Only just heard that. Either way though, AWP knows what gear it was in, at least Doug does and since Jared is the head honcho I assume he does as well... So.....?

 

[GrandmaBear]

It is also sometimes easy to accidentally kick it into neutral, say if she was trying to get to the back. My dog has even knocked mine into neutral before while going down the road when she was going from the front seat into the back. Her foot hit it as she was pushing off on the console. It was way too easy in my opinion and a bit scary as it took me a moment to realize what was going on.

Mine is an on the floor automatic and if you don't hit the button while trying to move it, it won't move. I can't see an animal or human doing that accidentally but I could see someone intoxicated doing it POSSIBLY and if thinking wrong about which way to go or how much room one had....

Not sure what type this vehicle had. Looked at the interior seats and such but not the "shifter"...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, now that you mention it, I've found that it's been the same with my vehicle- way too easy.
Yeah, to me, even if the vehicle actually was in neutral, it'd be a circumstance that's neither here nor there.

i don't think so, I think it is only a part of whether they can determine it is neither here nor there when combined with everything else and if there is nothing else, then yeah, it probably doesn't mean much.

How can it be that easy? On a steering column you need to pull them forward and then slide them sideways before you can move them and on the floor you have to push the button on the side and then do the same and then go back. They don't just move up and down with a bump?

 

[GrandmaBear]

You also have to hold the button on the floor and not let go as you move it. On mine anyhow.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Only had seconds and water gushing IN the open window and she was maybe 100 lbs sopping wet and under the influence so reaction time is delayed. You are going to go to where the only air is if that is the only option you have at the time. Water pressure would keep you from being able to open the doors until it equalized and power windows won't work after the electronics get wet. Where else would you go if you can't open the doors yet and water is pouring in the window and there is still air in the back?

Common to go far back when the front is filling with water I don't disagree but there was also or had to be water coming in that back side window. And of course how did it get open? Was it left open by a passenger? Did she have the presence of mind to open it before the electronics went dead? That is from what I understand change the dynamic of what the car does versus closed windows. Not arguing, just trying to figure it ALL out, and make it ALL work together. I wanted discussion and I've got it

 

[GrandmaBear]

"Conditions can vary dramatically, but generally it takes a minute or less for water to rise high enough to press the car's windows against the door frame, making them impossible to open. Doors won't open until the water level inside is equal to the level outside, but by then "you're already gone," Dworkin said.
Air pockets can form inside vehicles, buying occupants some time. Experts encourage motorists to carry a window punch that can shatter tempered glass on side windows.
But for those unable to escape themselves, who find themselves trapped, their only hope is help from outside."

When your car plunges into the water, what are the odds of rescue?

When the gold Honda Accord plunged into the murky waters of the pond, a grim clock started ticking for three teenage girls inside. The odds were already stacked against them.

www.tampabay.com

They have to get out immediately, not wait for air pockets and they have to put the windows down. By the time they submerge yes, rescue is going to be too late even fi a 5 minute response time. That's why one article I read has turned from responding to telling the person immediately what to do if they pick up their phone and manage to call 911, there is no time to waste.

Equalizing and water level depends on whether windows are open or shut and doors as well. That's how I understand it. And by the time it equalizes it is generally too late.

No?

 

[GrandmaBear]

"Conditions can vary dramatically, but generally it takes a minute or less for water to rise high enough to press the car's windows against the door frame, making them impossible to open. Doors won't open until the water level inside is equal to the level outside, but by then "you're already gone," Dworkin said.
Air pockets can form inside vehicles, buying occupants some time. Experts encourage motorists to carry a window punch that can shatter tempered glass on side windows.
But for those unable to escape themselves, who find themselves trapped, their only hope is help from outside."

When your car plunges into the water, what are the odds of rescue?

When the gold Honda Accord plunged into the murky waters of the pond, a grim clock started ticking for three teenage girls inside. The odds were already stacked against them.

www.tampabay.com

There was a window open as we know and one that broke at some point somehow. So windows impossible to open isn't a factor here or doesn't appear to be. Now whether she knew they were open or one was, that's another story as is whether she could get out one with pressure of water I would think.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It wouldn't have been upside down until after all of the air was expelled from it. It would be on it's front end (motor weight pulling the front down first) with the tail up until then.

This car is going to have water coming in the minute the downed window is below water. I am not taking time much here right now, just rushing to catch up some but you mean water expelling the air right? Which of course it won't in a car with windows closed until a certain point. This car's windows were not all closed, one was open or she got one open.

 

[Guess Who]

Supposedly the it was a moonlit night in California and she was familiar with the area.

Even so, dark is different than day time driving. I wonder more if she was initially down by the lake for a reason. The AWP guy said last night this is a spot as are many spots around this "lake" of bbqs, parties, picnics, etc. with frequent use. it also wasn't much of if any drop though again she knew the area. Has been said numerous times. But if inebriated or put the car in the wrong gear because she was messed up...

We were VERY familiar with the road we were on. He lived 2 miles from the spot and it was his way home nearly every day. Moonlight only penetrates so far then add inebriation to the mix for her.

 

[Guess Who]

This car is going to have water coming in the minute the downed window is below water. I am not taking time much here right now, just rushing to catch up some but you mean water expelling the air right? Which of course it won't in a car with windows closed until a certain point. This car's windows were not all closed, one was open or she got one open.

Cars are not water tight. That's why they end up sinking. If they held water they would float longer to start with.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, how could she be in the back if she was still seatbelts. That would imply by itself that she wasn't in her seatbelt.

The wheel turning would be from the current in the water.

What I meant was it sounded as if in some of these that no one thought she was belted. Are you saying she couldn't have unbuckled after the fact, that is what I meant. Of course I don't mean her seatbelt just magically unattached from the car and seat and moved with her. That would be ridiculous lol.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, how could she be in the back if she was still seatbelts. That would imply by itself that she wasn't in her seatbelt.

The wheel turning would be from the current in the water.

I think I'm tired because I wasn't implying the engine was running and the car still moving/traveling underwater across the lake bottom moving the tires. That would also be ludicrous but I'm not sure what you mean or think I meant? I'm talking about the neutral thing that Jared said. Or was talking about it. And yes, I have heard her type of car and year can have wheels turn in other than neutral although I haven't seen that verified but have heard it and already stated that earlier tonight. i am still playing catch up here so maybe I haven't seen some either yet, in fact I am sure I haven't. Also probably missed some, usually happens when one gets behind.

 

[GrandmaBear]

At the time of the dive, the diver said that the one window was all the way down, not broken.

I just watched it last night. I am not sure if they played all the diver said or not but Doug said the front window passenger side was broken and the back side window passenger side was partway down and it is also what the video seemed to show.

The diver, trying to think of his name, was it Nick? Also said her being in the back something was off and not right or suspicious or something like that, however it was Doug on the show and he did not repeat that but was there and advised of the windows and condition and position and pointed such out in the video.

 

[Regina]

I think that did end up getting covered as to that particular vehicle. Not sure if it is confirmed. Only just heard that. Either way though, AWP knows what gear it was in, at least Doug does and since Jared is the head honcho I assume he does as well... So.....?

I'm sorry, are you asking me a question?

It doesn't sound to me like AWP knows because my understanding is that Jared drew a conclusion based on lack of knowledge and Doug, (as I recall it from the video you posted) said he didn't know but suggested that LE could have put the gear in neutral.