CA KIELY RODNI: Missing from a campground in Truckee, CA - 6 August 2022 - Age 16 *Found Deceased*

Police investigate possible abduction of 16-year-old girl who disappeared from campground party

Detectives in Northern California have launched an abduction investigation after a 16-year-old girl vanished from a large party Saturday.

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Kiely Rodni was last seen attending "a party of more than 100 juveniles and young adults" near the Prosser Family Campground in Truckee, California, at 12:30 a.m. Saturday, according to the Placer County Sheriff's Office. Also missing from the party was Rodni's car, a silver 2013 Honda CRV.

Her phone has been out of service since the party, authorities said. At a news conference Tuesday, Placer County Sheriff's Sgt. Scott Alford said her phone last sent data at 12:33 a.m. Saturday

KIELY RODNI: Missing from a campground in Truckee, CA since 6 August 2022 - Age 16

Kiely Rodni was last seen attending "a party of more than 100 juveniles and young adults" near the Prosser Family Campground in Truckee, California, at 12:30 a.m. Saturday, according to the Placer County Sheriff's Office. Also missing from the...

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[Guess Who]

And if a window was down, the water might have been pouring in too fast to be able to get out of that window. You would have to wait until the pressure equalizes and water wasn't pouring in to be able to get out that way.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That came out when they found the person near here in pretty much the same position. The place that did the search or LE (can't remember which) quashed the rumors about it explaining that was where they expected to find her if she wasn't belted in. Her parents were making a huge fuss online about it and that's when they said it's exactly where they expected to find her because that is the normal place to find them.

No idea though about windows or car in neutral? Just trying to compare apples to applies and oranges to oranges. Seat belt is another question.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have NOT yet watched this but this has Doug from AWP on it today.

 

[Regina]

I'm just basically saying thus far no answers have been forthcoming nor satisfied me as to what happened. And I truly don't see how anyone can be convinced of anything as there just isn't enough to come to a conclusion of thought as to what happened, how or why.

Well you know, it's interesting because I can't see why anyone questions whether it was an accident.

I wonder, have you seen the video of the drive from the campground to the area where the vehicle was found? There are actually two drives to that location with one being at night that would surely blow your mind! Indeed, even expecting to see the lake, the driver never saw it and finally had to stop her vehicle knowing full well it was right ahead. (She actually said she wasn't scared, but as a viewer, I found it terrifying!)

 

[Guess Who]

Well you know, it's interesting because I can't see why anyone questions whether it was an accident.

I wonder, have you seen the video of the drive from the campground to the area where the vehicle was found? There are actually two drives to that location with one being at night that would surely blow your mind! Indeed, even expecting to see the lake, the driver never saw it and finally had to stop her vehicle knowing full well it was right ahead. (She actually said she wasn't scared, but as a viewer, I found it terrifying!)

At the ramp at the lake by my grandpa's house, the Corps had to put up a huge sign with flashing lights.that said "LAKE AHEAD" right before the ramp because they had to drag too many cars out of there. It's soooooooo dark out there and you can't see two inches in front of you on a cloudy or moonless night. Even after they put the signs up, they still get cars in it, but not nearly as many. No fatalities that I know of though.

 

[Regina]

No idea though about windows or car in neutral? Just trying to compare apples to applies and oranges to oranges. Seat belt is another question.

Unless I'm mistaken, Jared's info that the wheels turning means that the vehicle was in neutral is incorrect. Apparently, he was informed by someone with better knowledge of that particular vehicle.

 

[Guess Who]

Unless I'm mistaken, Jared's info that the wheels turning means that the vehicle was in neutral is incorrect. Apparently, he was informed by someone with better knowledge of that particular vehicle.

It is also sometimes easy to accidentally kick it into neutral, say if she was trying to get to the back. My dog has even knocked mine into neutral before while going down the road when she was going from the front seat into the back. Her foot hit it as she was pushing off on the console. It was way too easy in my opinion and a bit scary as it took me a moment to realize what was going on.

 

[Regina]

It is also sometimes easy to accidentally kick it into neutral, say if she was trying to get to the back. My dog has even knocked mine into neutral before while going down the road when she was going from the front seat into the back. Her foot hit it as she was pushing off on the console. It was way too easy in my opinion and a bit scary as it took me a moment to realize what was going on.

Well, now that you mention it, I've found that it's been the same with my vehicle- way too easy.
Yeah, to me, even if the vehicle actually was in neutral, it'd be a circumstance that's neither here nor there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

so creating drama to drive the revenue???

I don't know about that but it is bringing much in and all I can say is it is what one that split from him alluded to. He used to go on about how they needed money and couldn't afford this or that and I gather it wasn't always the case at all and much was coming in. But again, that is from someone he was with and long before this case. And again what they do is great but they didn't see eye to eye on that part and I think that included the cuts of the money.

There would always be a fender bender, maybe a flat tire, more $$$ it cost.

I always keep that in mind with nonprofits, volunteers, etc. they may not "charge" people do have donating hearts to worthy causes. On the flip side, they do upgrade their equipment and stay on top of things to do the job so who knows...

All I know is this one brought a lot of attention and they now have tons more people that have joined and donated and that are aware of them.

Oh also he was looking at and wanting to do a TV offer and the other I don't think agreed with that either and said how it would change what they do and the real reason for it, etc.

This is all to the best of my recollection. I forget what case brought them to my attention and I watched for awhile but it was just a few years ago.

But like I said the bottom line is they do find people and cars and don't charge families and that alone is a great thing. So...

 

[GrandmaBear]

A hatchback is basically just a car with an open trunk and the air would be back there and that is exactly where most experienced divers would expect to find her per experienced divers. My jeep is basically a hatchback and it is no problem getting back there from the front seat IF you are unbuckled. Any of my windows opened would not affect the air still being in the very back. Maybe she was trying to open the hatchback, not knowing at 16 that most of the electrical components would not work after it went in the water.

When upside down? And I where did she expect to get from there? The window in the seat just ahead was open. This looks to be a very tiny area to even try to get air in an upper corner. Seats are pretty tall too unless she took the center down but when she had only seconds for all of it I find it maybe possible but not necessarily likely.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/honda/cr-v/2013/photos-interior

 

[GrandmaBear]

It seems confirmed with the video of the dive that the passenger front window was broken and the driver's back seat window was halfway down. They showed the dive in the Duty Ron one above. And the car underwater upside down.

 

[Guess Who]

When upside down? And I where did she expect to get from there? The window in the seat just ahead was open. This looks to be a very tiny area to even try to get air in an upper corner. Seats are pretty tall too unless she took the center down but when she had only seconds for all of it I find it maybe possible but not necessarily likely.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/honda/cr-v/2013/photos-interior

Only had seconds and water gushing IN the open window and she was maybe 100 lbs sopping wet and under the influence so reaction time is delayed. You are going to go to where the only air is if that is the only option you have at the time. Water pressure would keep you from being able to open the doors until it equalized and power windows won't work after the electronics get wet. Where else would you go if you can't open the doors yet and water is pouring in the window and there is still air in the back?

 

[Guess Who]

"Conditions can vary dramatically, but generally it takes a minute or less for water to rise high enough to press the car's windows against the door frame, making them impossible to open. Doors won't open until the water level inside is equal to the level outside, but by then "you're already gone," Dworkin said.
Air pockets can form inside vehicles, buying occupants some time. Experts encourage motorists to carry a window punch that can shatter tempered glass on side windows.
But for those unable to escape themselves, who find themselves trapped, their only hope is help from outside."

When your car plunges into the water, what are the odds of rescue?

When the gold Honda Accord plunged into the murky waters of the pond, a grim clock started ticking for three teenage girls inside. The odds were already stacked against them.

www.tampabay.com

 

[Guess Who]

When upside down? And I where did she expect to get from there? The window in the seat just ahead was open. This looks to be a very tiny area to even try to get air in an upper corner. Seats are pretty tall too unless she took the center down but when she had only seconds for all of it I find it maybe possible but not necessarily likely.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/honda/cr-v/2013/photos-interior

It wouldn't have been upside down until after all of the air was expelled from it. It would be on it's front end (motor weight pulling the front down first) with the tail up until then.

 

[Guess Who]

It seems confirmed with the video of the dive that the passenger front window was broken and the driver's back seat window was halfway down. They showed the dive in the Duty Ron one above. And the car underwater upside down.

I wonder if she actually got to get the window to break, but too late or if it broke when the car frame top probably bent when it rested on it's top.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well you know, it's interesting because I can't see why anyone questions whether it was an accident.

I wonder, have you seen the video of the drive from the campground to the area where the vehicle was found? There are actually two drives to that location with one being at night that would surely blow your mind! Indeed, even expecting to see the lake, the driver never saw it and finally had to stop her vehicle knowing full well it was right ahead. (She actually said she wasn't scared, but as a viewer, I found it terrifying!)

Just seeing these posts, I must have missed them. Though I had read all.

No, I haven't seen the drive videos but have heard about them.

it isn't that I question that it could be an accident, it is that I don't see either thing as a slam dunk yet. There just isn't anything more at all to show it was an accident than not. There are a lot of questions and her phone hasn't been mentioned nor whether they found it or anything else.. It hasn't bee confirmed what her condition was. It hasn't been said how she was found or in what state. It hasn't been said what time they figured she entered the water, whether she was alone, whether they can confirm time or that Sami's stories are true or anything else.

I only see people believing it was an accident because the vehicle was in the water, the body in it, a party was held and so it was an accident. That just isn't enough for me.

I will say I think it could as likely be an accident as anything but I sure don't see a bit of proof of that YET. I could no more dismiss a two truck driver seeing her OR her vehicle the day after than investigators could. If there is merit to that, it changes everything.

Much is questionable but I will agree that there is nothing saying it wasn't accident. Nor that it was. Yet.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The scenarios are those in which the person wasn't found still wearing their seatbelt.

So any time a driver has their seat belt on they are found in the driver's seat you mean? Or any time a person doesn't they are found in the hatchback area if there is one? Not sure I buy that, everything sounds to me like it depends on a lot of factors, windows open or not, weight of car, positioning and a lot more. I can believe it may be common.

I was just reading an article about the air bubble forming or air pocket being something that is a bit mythical and should not be waited for or counted on by any stretch of the imagination. I think it was an ABC news article. Also said you don't go for a door, you go for a window or should.

Anyhow...

How could anyone possibly know she wasn't wearing a seat belt? I haven't heard that. Not arguing just figuring it is an assumption by some. Or did someone see her leave?

I think people are making a lot of assumptions to be sure this is an accident as much as or even more than people are doing it the other way, probably because they think it is the likelihood in such cases so they just conclude it like LE sometimes does with such things and also with suicides. I don't think things should ever not be questioned or questions answered if they can be/investigated. I'm not talking of you or anyone here, just in general out there that it is no more a sure thing than otherwise at this point. While I don't think the most outlandish theories out there are likely, there most definitely is enough to wonder and a lot of legitimate questions that remain unanswered.

Doug said on Duty Ron tonight they most definitely check the gear and other things for investigators so all can be confirmed before touched, etc. He also said he couldn't comment on it further but that the FBI has the info and they'd be the ones to investigate, etc. He didn't insinuate one way or the other but Jared said the wheels were turning which indicates neutral. He also didn't comment on anything he may have noted with anything else or seat belt, etc. Well actually I'm not through the total video yet but he did respond to the gear question already.

Interestingly you can see when they locate it on sonar the wheel turning and the vehicle sitting entirely on its top.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder if she actually got to get the window to break, but too late or if it broke when the car frame top probably bent when it rested on it's top.

The back window isn't broken, it is halfway down from what I understand. The front passenger window was referred to by Doug as broken. This is prior to it being pulled out. Both can be seen in the video.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The back window isn't broken, it is halfway down from what I understand. The front passenger window was referred to by Doug as broken. This is prior to it being pulled out. Both can be seen in the video.

Also it crossed my mind she may have broken it but if she had managed that I would think she would have instantly tried to go out that way.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I've never even heard whether Kiely could swim or not. All seem to assume she could so maybe friends and parents said as much but I have never heard it myself.