Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *TRIAL IN PROGRESS* (8 Viewers)

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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In this case, people try to force their opinion on others. Not just here but "out there" as well. And it is mostly her supporters. That isn't "debate" which must have went out in my era. It isn't even close to it. A few key cases have been like that lately, Delphi is another. Intentionally coming in and trying to dig at and start something is not either.

Yes, it is basically one side of this case who can't do it and feel the need to force their opinions on others and try to make them change theirs.

It's hardly a new case, there already has been one trial. It hopefully is new to the jury as it should be but it isn't to anyone who has followed.

Regina and I debate or often disagree in cases but we do it respectfully. I am pretty sure where this started this time in this one. People who have hardly been in here at all in how long...

Anyhow there IS no discussing in this case. Imho. Maybe by those that agree, other than that, nope.

Then also one needs to look at the person doing it. Tries to start something all of the time. Not just in this case. Needs a conflict I guess.

Ban me for saying so. Others know too. This was so obvious, not even funny. Who first came in doing such? And then came back up? Neither of whom have even hardly been in.

Reminds me of my early days here when I wouldn't have known but something Mel complained about a few times. Which today I can now see is true.

I could say a lot more but won't.

Anyhow this is a case that for some reason the ones who think KR innocent can't not try to force it down the throasts of others. No they can't discuss, it is like they've lost it. I've jumped out of this thread a number of times as there is no point, did it with Delphi too. And I go find a sane place to keep up on them.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Ahh. So one side is “discussing” and anyone who disagrees is “arguing”. Interesting.
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It's not about sides but listening to evidence. Nothing wrong with arguing but one needs to argue with the facts that have come out in this trial.
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Yes
They lied. Just like they lied about the altered video being correct and that proctor was never near the taillight when he obviously was and for a long time.
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You will have to provide me a link for this. He would have to be beside the tailight to unscrew it and take it for forensics. So you think he took the broken tailight pieces back to the scene and hid them under inches of snow for others to find? Please provide your evidence for that, from this trial. And provide me the details of how you think the shards of tailight were found in JO's clothes, because LE didn't even have the car at that point.
 
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Tresir said:
It's not about sides but listening to evidence. Nothing wrong with arguing but one needs to argue with the facts that have come out in this trial.

You will have to provide me a link for this. He would have to be beside the tailight to unscrew it and take it for forensics. So you think he took the broken tailight pieces back to the scene and hid them under inches of snow for others to find? Please provide your evidence for that, from this trial. And provide me the details of how you think the shards of tailight were found in JO's clothes, because LE didn't even have the car at that point.
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I have to say as I have watched this trial, it has really hit me how ridiculous this conspiracy theory is and all they'd have to do, go do, pull off, etc. and more. It's absolute asinine and I've resisted saying it but it is. It's a defense woven fantasy. It is RIDICULOUS. The idea anyone could believe in such absolutely FLOORS me. It also worries me for our world.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I have to say as I have watched this trial, it has really hit me how ridiculous this conspiracy theory is and all they'd have to do, go do, pull off, etc. and more. It's absolute asinine and I've resisted saying it but it is. It's a defense woven fantasy. It is RIDICULOUS. The idea anyone could believe in such absolutely FLOORS me. It also worries me for our world.
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That's fine though because that is why we have this forum isn't it? Call it arguing or discussing doesn't matter really, call it debating if the term arguing is offensive. I don't have a problem with it except that as soon as someone is asked for a link, often they cannot comply.
 
BTW there was no "altered video". It was motion activated and was a reverse image camera. Thats why the timestamps were the correct way around. I think that confused a lot of people in the first trial but i have not heard anything about all that in this trial. Has it been discussed this time?
 
To each their own and if I recall, you came to this thread later on.

For me there is a difference. In Soto, Regina and I disagree on the mother. We debated, discussed, and agreed to disagree, neither of us try to force our opinion down the other's throat nor keep coming back and trying to do it. Ad nauseum for that matter. That's what goes on in this case. When kdg was in here, at least she could discuss it. Few others can on the KR side. It's an attempt always to bring up the same old sh*t and force an opinion.

If you want to, you go for it. I don't call that discussion or debate.
 
Tresir said:
BTW there was no "altered video". It was motion activated and was a reverse image camera. Thats why the timestamps were the correct way around. I think that confused a lot of people in the first trial but i have not heard anything about all that in this trial. Has it been discussed this time?
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Yes, it came up with the guy that was on the stand for three days.

I've seen plenty of reverse image videos. I can't begin to figure out why anyone EVER thought that a big deal or fell for such.
 
GrandmaBear said:
To each their own and if I recall, you came to this thread later on.

For me there is a difference. In Soto, Regina and I disagree on the mother. We debated, discussed, and agreed to disagree, neither of us try to force our opinion down the other's throat nor keep coming back and trying to do it. Ad nauseum for that matter. That's what goes on in this case. When kdg was in here, at least she could discuss it. Few others can on the KR side. It's an attempt always to bring up the same old sh*t and force an opinion.

If you want to, you go for it. I don't call that discussion or debate.
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If i read something I know to be incorrect, I'll challenge it - it's in my nature.
 
Tresir said:
If i read something I know to be incorrect, I'll challenge it - it's in my nature.
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Oh mine too don't get me wrong. And as you can see, I've made a few responses. However, I've also done it previously more than one. It's like going round in circles with emu in Delphi. When it's all been gone through over and over. It will lead nowhere. No one is going to change their mind. Etc.
 
To me this case is so clear cut it is not even funny. Some fall for the defense big conspiracy blizzard effect. Smdh. I've said it before and will again that I think charging intentional homicide is pushing it. Personally I think it was intentional but proving that is another story. The investigation was not probably perfect, most aren't actually. They charged high to get her to deal to lower.

Per someone the other night who I would trust wouldn't put out false info KR has sold her home and owes an additional 5million to her attys. Not sure where she got that info though.

So OVERBLOWN. I hope it was worth it. I guess she always has Turtle Boy who apparently isn't paying the bills, nor her supporters.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Oh mine too don't get me wrong. And as you can see, I've made a few responses. However, I've also done it previously more than one. It's like going round in circles with emu in Delphi. When it's all been gone through over and over. It will lead nowhere. No one is going to change their mind. Etc.
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Well emu isn't commenting in here any more it seems. I wonder why? Perhaps he will give his two cents.
 
BTW i have found a link showing what the niece said. I will find and post but my adblocker would not let me read it. If anyone can get in, please copy pasta. Did they interview the niece and nephew in the first trial? I just got time to read that the niece said they were always arguing, then I got chucked out.

Hey bingo! This morning it let me in so I copied the whole article.

Link below

www.cbsnews.com

John O'Keefe's niece testifies about "tension," arguments between him and Karen Read before his death

John O'Keefe's niece was the first witness to take the stand at Karen Read's trial Wednesday morning.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

"John O'Keefe's niece was the first witness to take the stand at Karen Read's trial Wednesday morning.
The niece, who WBZ-TV will not identify by name, is now a high school junior. She was around 14 years old when John O'Keefe died. She has a younger brother who testified during the first trial but did not testify during the retrial.
O'Keefe's niece is his sister Kristen's daughter. Kristen died of a brain tumor in 2013, and her husband died shortly after of a heart attack. John O'Keefe then became the legal guardian for his niece and nephew, and moved in with them in Canton, Massachusetts.
No cameras, laptops, or phones were allowed in the courtroom during her testimony. WBZ's Kristina Rex was in the courtroom and took these handwritten notes.
Direct Examination: Questioned by ADA Laura McLaughlin
Niece testifies on her relationship with Karen Read
  • "It was…kind of dependent on the day"
  • "Some days we were more on good standards and other days we weren't on good standards at all and she would like favor my brother."
  • "She would not ignore me but it felt like a coldness."
  • Brother and Read: "they were pretty close."
Niece testifies about John O'Keefe and Karen Read's relationship
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  • Lighthearted in the beginning
  • It changed by end of 2021/beginning of 2022
  • "They were fighting a lot."
  • "When I saw [the fights] it was normally at my house" or on the phone
  • When they would fight → KR "was very like angry, upset" and louder than O'Keefe

Niece testifies about Aruba vacation that took place over New Year's 2021-2022
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  • Read & O'Keefe had an argument in niece and nephew's hotel room
  • O'Keefe checked on them and told nephew to get off iPad; Read defended nephew then "started yelling about like how he had kissed someone else… and she had witnessed it. It was really loud…she was very upset."

Niece testifies that the relationship changed after the Aruba trip
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  • January 2022, O'Keefe and Read in the kitchen fighting while niece was in the room next door
  • "Their relationship was good but it had like run its course," she says O'Keefe said to Read
  • "I don't remember exactly what she said but she was upset by it"
  • "He asked her to leave the house. She did not want to leave the house."
  • O'Keefe saw niece in the other room and got angry that she witnessed the fight, asked Read "more aggressively" to leave then went upstairs to bedroom
  • Read followed him upstairs, banged on the door
  • In later days/weeks, "I could tell that there was tension," niece says
  • "They were cold towards each other"
  • A couple of times a week – tension & arguing
  • "I heard the defendant on the phone and she was saying that me and my brother were really worried" – on one occasion when she was trying to get JOK to come home when he had left the house for a drive, niece says she wasn't actually worried.

Niece testified about the night of O'Keefe's death
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  • She had a rule that she had to charge her phone in O'Keefe's room at bedtime
  • After her friend left before midnight she was home alone and put her phone in O'Keefe's room and went to bed
  • Read came into her room at 4:30 AM shaking her awake… "told me that my uncle never came home…She was very frantic"
  • Read asked niece to use her phone to call O'Keefe – no answer
  • Read asked for phone numbers she didn't have including Jen McCabe
    • What could have happened
    • "Could I have done something?"
    • "Could he have been hit by a plow?"
    • Here, her memory had to be refreshed with prior testimony from trial 1
    • "Maybe I like… hit him"
  • Niece says she had never seen Read like this
    • Jen checked on niece and was "level headed"
    • Karen did not interact with niece
    • At this point, niece was very nervous she says
  • KR came back later that morning after the hospital with her Dad and brother
  • "She said to me and my grandfather that she felt like she was living in a nightmare."

Cross Examination: Questioned by David Yannetti
Niece testifies more about the nature of her relationship with Karen Read
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  • Yannetti asks, "When Karen Read spent all this time with you, you didn't call her the defendant right?" No, the niece says. "You called her Karen?" Yes
    • Nails done once a month
    • Hair done at salon
    • Read attended basketball games? "Possibly but so did my uncle." Softball? Soccer? Yes.
    • Helped straighten niece's hair? Maybe once a week
    • Planned birthdays? 2020 scavenger hunt, yes
    • You would stay with Karen at her house in Mansfield? Yes.

Yannetti questions niece on Aruba incident
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  • Read took kids for an Italian dinner and ice cream – niece doesn't remember
  • "O'Keefe was in the room with you the whole night with KR and nephew?" Yannetti asks. She doesn't remember… she just remembers after their fight that he fell asleep in niece's bed for a few hours
  • "Is it your testimony that JJ rang in the new year [asleep]?" Yannetti asks. Niece doesn't remember… "I had just gotten dumped by my 8th grade boyfriend, so it was a bit of a crisis." Chuckles heard throughout the courtroom.

Niece testifies about the relationship after Aruba
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  • "There was never any physical contact between the two of them, correct?" Yannetti asks. "Correct."
  • Yannetti asks if Read continued to spend a lot of time at the house with the kids. "It was the same amount of time but it wasn't the same," niece says

Following the niece's testimony, Massachusetts State Trooper Zachary Clark took the stand."

More from CBS News​


Karen Read trial jury shown graphic photos of John O'Keefe's injuries

Karen Read trial testimony focuses on forensic evidence after John O'Keefe's niece testifies

Kristina Rex
Kristina Rex is a reporter for WBZ-TV News.
© 2025 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
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Tresir said:
Well emu isn't commenting in here any more it seems. I wonder why? Perhaps he will give his two cents.
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He said in the basement I think it was that he isn't up to it. Considering he started it and it is his pet case, he must be struggling as he was always very active in here.
 
Tresir said:
BTW i have found a link showing what the niece said. I will find and post but my adblocker would not let me read it. If anyone can get in, please copy pasta. Did they interview the niece and nephew in the first trial? I just got time to read that the niece said they were always arguing, then I got chucked out.

Link to follow.
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I asked in here repeatedly in the first trial what the niece had to say. To no avail as I guess it does not fit the innocent side so no one would go there. I finally went and found it. So I know what she has to say.

I had hoped the other day to go look for someone who attended and could cover her testimony but most I watch are not attending, just covering from the live coverage.

None of it is beneficial to KR that is for sure. There is quite a bit the niece saw that night and she had to call the "friend" and so on. And that she heard I know.

The nephew I think mostly could probably only testify to the relationship and her behavior during and after.
 
Tresir said:
I thought it was a good idea. Better than shovels and it preserved evidence, as we have seen.

Yeah showing an ATF officer doing his job at 1:30 in the morning to ensure vehicles don't get snowed in in the event of an emergency.
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Oh, I think it was a very clever idea!

Yeah, Higgins is definitely a credit to LE.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I asked in here repeatedly in the first trial what the niece had to say. To no avail as I guess it does not fit the innocent side so no one would go there. I finally went and found it. So I know what she has to say.

I had hoped the other day to go look for someone who attended and could cover her testimony but most I watch are not attending, just covering from the live coverage.

None of it is beneficial to KR that is for sure. There is quite a bit the niece saw that night and she had to call the "friend" and so on. And that she heard I know.

The nephew I think mostly could probably only testify to the relationship and her behavior during and after.
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I managed to get in and updated the post with her testimony. Very interesting. Do we have her testimony from the first trial on here too? I'll do a search and see if i can find it for comparison.
 
Tresir said:
She shed enough on the night for a couple of years. Did she attend his funeral? Has he had a funeral?
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She never again spoke to anyone who knew John!
She never explained to his family what happened and over the phone as she was headed out of town to her parent's house, she told John's sister-in-law that she probably wouldn't be speaking to them again and that she (Read) "would have to remember the good times".
 
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