Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *NOT GUILTY* (Guilty of OUI) (10 Viewers)

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I followed this case a bit but I am not totally on top of the facts. I have read a lot of posts on WS stating things that sounds like a rather large conspiracy was behind a framing of Karen Read in this case and other people are responsible for John O'Keefe's death.

Is there conclusive evidence of this conspiracy? Or is it mainly people's opinion?

Imo they have fallen for a crock of sh*t just as those who feel for the Odinism theory in the Delphi case. There isn't a shred of evidence of such.

Dont try to tell people that though. Lol.

What doesn't help is it was not a "perfect" investigation and there was a trooper who they made an example of who didn't behave in a stellar way and I'll even admit that. Doesnt make her innocent though.

Believe me when I say you probably don't want to get too far into it it if you haven't. People get pretty nasty about it. I've followed mostly but I've also stepped away for a bit a time or two, well from some spots anyhow. For me, more than ready I was for it to to be over. I wish his parents had got justice but for me so long as she gets stuck with Turtleboy (a YTer that raised a lot of havoc in the last trial and more), she's been punished. It went over the to and the D mostly caused all that with their ridiculous satory and pushing it in public, etc,
as well as her.

That is my opinion, there are others who would strongly disagree, just giving mine, making that clear. It is shared by many but those that think her innocent exist
too and who feel for imo a story that has not a thing that backs it up.

I can tell you for me, seriously I am sick to death of it and her, etc.

I'm not going to continue to follow other than if some jurors think. I have two theories on the jurors and I'd like to see if either seems correct. Other than that good riddance.

I don't know if that helps or not, and I'm in the she is guilty club and it is jmo.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I followed this case a bit but I am not totally on top of the facts. I have read a lot of posts on WS stating things that sounds like a rather large conspiracy was behind a framing of Karen Read in this case and other people are responsible for John O'Keefe's death.

Is there conclusive evidence of this conspiracy? Or is it mainly people's opinion?

The case was so poorly handled that what really happened will probably never be known.

There is no conclusive evidence showing it was a cover up, but a pretty good circumstantial case can be made that there was.

 

[Ranch]

Imo they have fallen for a crock of sh*t just as those who feel for the Odinism theory in the Delphi case. There isn't a shred of evidence of such.

Dont try to tell people that though. Lol.

What doesn't help is it was not a "perfect" investigation and there was a trooper who they made an example of who didn't behave in a stellar way and I'll even admit that. Doesnt make her innocent though.

Believe me when I say you probably don't want to get too far into it it if you haven't. People get pretty nasty about it. I've followed mostly but I've also stepped away for a bit a time or two, well from some spots anyhow. For me, more than ready I was for it to to be over. I wish his parents had got justice but for me so long as she gets stuck with Turtleboy (a YTer that raised a lot of havoc in the last trial and more), she's been punished. It went over the to and the D mostly caused all that with their ridiculous satory and pushing it in public, etc,
as well as her.

That is my opinion, there are others who would strongly disagree, just giving mine, making that clear. It is shared by many but those that think her innocent exist
too and who feel for imo a story that has not a thing that backs it up.

I can tell you for me, seriously I am sick to death of it and her, etc.

I'm not going to continue to follow other than if some jurors think. I have two theories on the jurors and I'd like to see if either seems correct. Other than that good riddance.

I don't know if that helps or not, and I'm in the she is guilty club and it is jmo.

Thanks, you helped a lot and I agree with what you have to say.

I feel that the problems with the investigation, while real, don't sway me enough to believe she's innocent. I can see how it might cause reasonable doubt for some jurors but that doesn't mean I think Karen Read didn't cause John O'Keefe's death.

I will not be surprised if Karen Read monetizes her fame to the fullest extent. It will show me her true colors.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Thanks, you helped a lot and I agree with what you have to say.

I feel that the problems with the investigation, while real, don't sway me enough to believe she's innocent. I can see how it might cause reasonable doubt for some jurors but that doesn't mean I think Karen Read didn't cause John O'Keefe's death.

I will not be surprised if Karen Read monetizes her fame to the fullest extent. It will show me her true colors.

Boy you know enough then because I have all the same thoughts. What the D really did was exploit the problems in the case, they never imo proved a bit of a total fairytale is how I see it, doesn't make her innocent and never will in my eyes.

Yep using her "fame" I can see her doing. I'm so sick of her face and she can't keep her yap shut. I hate talking that way about another woman but some just deserve it or at least I feel that way.

I really don't want to see another thing about it, been too long as it is, but may if jurors come out, etc. I have two thoughts on this jury and I'd like to see if either feel right. I've probably hinted or touched on a bit here but I'd rather wait and see to really talk of those.

I have to laugh even though she might just do it, her trying to go for money and fame is kind of funny. There isn't anything she knows or has to offer imo that would offer interest to most people imo. What is she going to talk about? The other people and trash them and the same old? Not a thing that would hold interest to me I know. And the former, they've already done that repeatedly. Should be an old story before long. I do sympathize with the family but I don't think she is a happy woman, and wasn't even back then. I hope they hang onto that. I hope the next person that ever dates this drunken shrew realizes what they are getting into. Jmo of course.

 

[Tresir]

The "guy"? How many calls did he make?

Probably Turtleface.

 

[Tresir]

Lol I also don't know what some will do who existed just to argue this. They've lost their lifeline now. Channels, people, etc. out there

If LE come out with a statement saying they are not looking for anyone else, that will say it all hopefully.

 

[Tresir]

So, you believe that TWO juries got it wrong?

Juries rarely get things wrong IMO. She was found guilty of OUI which does not mean she is innocent. Unfortunately the evidence did not convince the jury on the manslaughter aspect.

Hopefully a couple of jurors will speak and we may find out exactly what evidence they doubted.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Probably Turtleface.

Lol. I watched maybe a 15 minute clip of her dad today. I found him like many parents who can't see their kids for what they are. Oh he did quit the speech but think I'm done with any sh*t like that. And not a mention of her habit of drunkenness and driving of course and many another thing. The reporter didn't ask sh*t for real questions imo like about Turtleboy, her own words, etc.

Tell me, do you check your tail lights every time you park your car? I found him full of sh*t but talking as if otherwise. A bit holier than thou. He talked of all the others treated wrongly who identified with her, and you know what? I think there are many others, I just don't think she is one of them.

Not a question about all the Turtleboy and harassment and others things, not a single one about the sanctions deserved Jackson may still well receive.

Whatever. I have two thoughts on this jury and I may see what comes out on that. Other than that, I am sorry for his family and just hopes she decides to put her face away but that may be doubtful too.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Juries rarely get things wrong IMO. She was found guilty of OUI which does not mean she is innocent. Unfortunately the evidence did not convince the jury on the manslaughter aspect.

Hopefully a couple of jurors will speak and we may find out exactly what evidence they doubted.

Yes she did get OUI and she was a totally drunk driver, funny they never asked dad about that habit.

The most likely thing I think is just not feeling there was enough to conclusively say she hit him. Many jurors just don't get what reasonable doubt really means. It is not ANY doubt.

The other thing is there were a lot of questions coming out that seemed as if one or more jurors knew about the former trial and more. And that means a tainted jury especially if such was shared.

You know, imo she is not a happy person and never has been. I hope she's learned to use a cab when she drinks but I seriously doubt it. As far as happy, I mean just look,, she was playing games with Higgins and trying to hook up. Just one of many examples. Personally I think she's hateful, jealous and about all one can name that goes with that. JMO and no one needs to agree.

She can live with what imo she did. Per dad, they are devout Roman Catholics. Nothing wrong with that, but doesn't mean everyone that is is a good person.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm honestly glad it is over, other than maybe jurors if such talk, I'm pretty much done. The most sickening spectacle I've ever seen by a D, and her.

 

[Tresir]

Lol. I watched maybe a 15 minute clip of her dad today. I found him like many parents who can't see their kids for what they are. Oh he did quit the speech but think I'm done with any sh*t like that. And not a mention of her habit of drunkenness and driving of course and many another thing. The reporter didn't ask sh*t for real questions imo like about Turtleboy, her own words, etc.

Tell me, do you check your tail lights every time you park your car? I found him full of sh*t but talking as if otherwise. A bit holier than thou. He talked of all the others treated wrongly who identified with her, and you know what? I think there are many others, I just don't think she is one of them.

Not a question about all the Turtleboy and harassment and others things, not a single one about the sanctions deserved Jackson may still well receive.

Whatever. I have two thoughts on this jury and I may see what comes out on that. Other than that, I am sorry for his family and just hopes she decides to put her face away but that may be doubtful too.

I only drive about once every 10 days now but where I park, under my carport, i would notice any broken taillight quite quickly. Also, I have never drank and driven, whereas KR clearly thinks nothing of it and has been definitely found guilty of that. She clearly has a drinking problem.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I only drive about once every 10 days now but where I park, under my carport, i would notice any broken taillight quite quickly. Also, I have never drank and driven, whereas KR clearly thinks nothing of it and has been definitely found guilty of that. She clearly has a drinking problem.

I'd notice simply because I approach my car from the back. However if I took it to the home I had and parked in the driveway and approached it from the front to use it, I probably would not. It just depends. If I had to clear it of sn*w, I'd likely notice if I cleared all around, just would depend.

I agree on the rest. She's no "angel". Nor spokesperson or savior. Dad sure made her out to be though. I'd say himself as well even. Oh it was polished and sounded good but not when one knows so much.

They got the drunken part right, that's for sure. I'm not listening to any more of that drivel. I've heard her nasty voicemals to OK, we have seen her games with Higgins to try to bother John etc. Dad was asked nothing about any of all that.

Like I said, I don't think she is a happy person ever so there's that.

I wonder if Jackson's wife will be happy to see him and what KR will do without them all who she has always called like at least six times a day. How they stood her interrupting their conversations in court I don't know, but I guess some will do anything for a high profile case although it was not all pro bono.

KR better not get so drunk she forgets what a taxi is and then gets mad because they aren't there immediately, people need to watch out for her.

Like I said, I'm done with it unless things come out maybe about the jury.

 

[Regina]

I totally agree. I felt that way ahead of time no matter the outcome. Sick to death of it.

If she'd told the truth, we'd have never even heard of it. but I expect she'll always live a lie.

 

[Regina]

Who is REALLY responsible for this murder, will never be investigated.

It appears to me the FBI investigation cleared anyone you think could be responsible.

 

[GrandmaBear]

If she'd told the truth, we'd have never even heard of it. but I expect she'll always live a lie.

A great way to put it. And dad will always be clueless (if he really is). At first he was like any steadfast older father talking of their morals and more, but the more I realized he wasn't being asked any tough questions and didn't see sh*t about her, the less it held my interest. Gag.

One question was if they will now try to push to find the real killer and oh, they don't have that power and no, they just want their lives back. Yada, yada. So much for John. So much for John.

He played Karen off as some kind of almost icon, gag, well gee, she could push for it.

I saw Turtleboy spoke out. I went right past it, not interested. Still hope they end up together LOL. She owes him, and others.

Nothing changes my opinion nor ever will but it is what it is.

Yes, she'll be living a lie and if she follows the staunch religion and principles she was supposedly taught, she'll answer when she meets her maker. I guess she must not believe that really.

A drunken icon, only in this world. Dad didn't get asked a single question about that. Was a very namby pamby interview.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Juries rarely get things wrong IMO. She was found guilty of OUI which does not mean she is innocent. Unfortunately the evidence did not convince the jury on the manslaughter aspect.

Hopefully a couple of jurors will speak and we may find out exactly what evidence they doubted.

EVERY COP AND FAMILY in that area constantly drive drunk. I'd be willing to bet none of them have even been ticketed for that.

 

[kdg411]

I followed this case a bit but I am not totally on top of the facts. I have read a lot of posts on WS stating things that sounds like a rather large conspiracy was behind a framing of Karen Read in this case and other people are responsible for John O'Keefe's death.

Is there conclusive evidence of this conspiracy? Or is it mainly people's opinion?

The conspiracy is an opinion not based on any facts presented as evidence.

 

[GrandmaBear]

EVERY COP AND FAMILY in that area constantly drive drunk. I'd be willing to bet none of them have even been ticketed for that.

Many a one do in many a place, very true. And the thing that gets missed a lot is I think she felt immune too, dating a cop after all and out with them all and all of that. Big mistake for what occurred, it was too major to be ignored. We aren't going to agree, we know that.

I didn't respond to your post to me last night because I'm waiting to get more of a gist on this jury.

The OUI/DWI etc. was a no brainer, she in her own words on camera admitted to it.

I can name a few watering holes of an area of our local cops. Generally not so stupid as to drink right in the area in front of locals. And not all drive. Yeah, their wives do or they call an on duty buddy maybe, not fair but safe, unless the wife or gf is drunk here too, it's still her taking the risk so they don't lose a job, but KR got snockered too.

I don't think I've ever denied any of that. I've also never said the investigation was perfect nor have I stood up for Proctor. Doesn't change my opinion of her though and who did this and facts that are there. Pretty similar with RA in Delphi. The D makes up stories against others to fit the facts they can't escape. Usually after the fact and once they know what has to be covered. Sooooo obvious. In both cases, the defendants confessed.

 

[Tresir]

EVERY COP AND FAMILY in that area constantly drive drunk. I'd be willing to bet none of them have even been ticketed for that.

I am sure they do. I know it happens a lot, believe me and not just in Boston. Of course that does not make it right, ever.

But this was different, somebody was killed. Could he have fallen and hit his head and got the bruising and abrasions plus glass in his nose accidentally? I don't believe even that was ever looked at. The sneaker at the kerb, the headlight pieces in his hoodie, the phone recording the drops in his temperature as he died were clearly meaningless to the jury.

I hope we get to hear why from a jury member.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Many a one do in many a place, very true. And the thing that gets missed a lot is I think she felt immune too, dating a cop after all and out with them all and all of that. Big mistake for what occurred, it was too major to be ignored. We aren't going to agree, we know that.

I didn't respond to your post to me last night because I'm waiting to get more of a gist on this jury.

The OUI/DWI etc. was a no brainer, she in her own words on camera admitted to it.

I can name a few watering holes of an area of our local cops. Generally not so stupid as to drink right in the area in front of locals. And not all drive. Yeah, their wives do or they call an on duty buddy maybe, not fair but safe, unless the wife or gf is drunk here too, it's still her taking the risk so they don't lose a job, but KR got snockered too.

I don't think I've ever denied any of that. I've also never said the investigation was perfect nor have I stood up for Proctor. Doesn't change my opinion of her though and who did this and facts that are there. Pretty similar with RA in Delphi. The D makes up stories against others to fit the facts they can't escape. Usually after the fact and once they know what has to be covered. Sooooo obvious. In both cases, the defendants confessed.

He was sitting in the passenger seat on the drive to the Albert's house.