JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY* (9 Viewers)

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

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Chad and Lori Vallow Daybell are both serving life sentences in Idaho for murdering their families.

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[Tresir]

Does anyone remember (from way back when) what reason Alex gave for spending the night with Lori? That would have been the night Adam planned to spend with him. Instead, Alex headed to Lori's that night with a gun.

His interview is upthread but i think he told them they were going out for the day maybe to the range. They did ask him why he had his gun with him and i think he said he always has it with him. Post 8235.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He did. He took JJ and put him in the car seat. Then realised he had left his phone and went back in. That's how it began.

Let's keep in mind that is "their" story. That part may be true, it may not. I mean Tylee could have had directions for instance to take JJ to the car the minute they got Charles into the house. For an example. Or it may be entirely false. Hard to say because Charles isn't alive to correct any story.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Are you maybe eating more causing the dozing off?

Years ago eating made me like that and it wouldn't take much food either, they call it early satiety or some such (feel full too early too), never did know the cause and yes, after eating it happens again lately, it had went away for some years, but like yesterday no, I had not eaten before like the four other times I got sleepy over the course of the day. I am taking basically no meds but there is one I am kind of in between on, wondering if that plays in that I'm doing a kind of hit and miss with it. Otherwise I let them pretty intensely work my muscles the other day and am sore maybe that is playing in. However, I was noticing it prior to that appt. but not as much as yesterday. I absolutely CANNOT have this problem on top of all else, sleepy ten times a day for goodness sakes. This bad time really needs to end.

Anyhow I am off topic so will stop on that but no I don't know what is going on. Will see how today goes I guess. Maybe it was just the muscle work. I hope. That caused more of it other than just when eating.

 

[Tresir]

Let's keep in mind that is "their" story. That part may be true, it may not. I mean Tylee could have had directions for instance to take JJ to the car the minute they got Charles into the house. For an example. Or it may be entirely false. Hard to say because Charles isn't alive to correct any story.

None of them are alive to speak except Lori. But Tylee was still in her room. Check out her interview with LE. She comes out with the bat and holds it between her mother and Charles. She explains her mother sends her out to the car to stay with JJ. That's why those interviews are important and i brought them forward.

 

[GrandmaBear]

What we do know is that they wanted to get Ned out of Chad’s body. The insurance policy was for $1 million. Charles had put a $2 million policy on her. He couldn’t get one for himself because of his health.I

Last night, I watched the podcast Silver linings, which is done by Adam and his uncle Rex. Adam stated in there he doesn’t know when or how Lori found out about the intervention. As far as he knows, it could’ve been after from Charles’s phone. But he doesn’t know for sure. He said his sister did not know ahead of time. I guess there was a question as to what she may have texted Lori ahead of time.

I recall from somewhere Summer being involved in telling Lori something and having Alex there. I'll be darned if I know where I got that from but I have always thought it. So Silver Linings is still on? It never comes up for me anymore. I wonder if I unsubscribed? I really wasn't getting much from it so I may have.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don’t know when the cops took Charles’s phone. But it has been testified that she took his phone with her when she took JJ to school.

I think I saw on something that it was a few days later cops took the phone. I was thinking it was immediately but apparently not. It may have been in that one Tresir reposted that I recommended a rewatch where it is Adam all freaked out and talking to LE about the murder.

 

[GrandmaBear]

LE has it now. I think we’re going to have testimony about it later. Last night, Adam said he was upset because his texts with Charles were put in evidence and Adams phone number was on it for all to see.

In a hearing the judge and P granted Lori the right to get the phone from LE for trial to do their own extraction. She had to arrange it right, sign a waiver, some various things. I don't know that she had time or did it though.

Adam would have been better imo to say nothing about that. Now he has made it sound to types that would abuse it as if it is still his number. So now they will know.

There are a lot of texts to come out yet in this trial.

 

[Tresir]

Yeah if you believe her version of the story/their version. That's the problem, no one else is alive to confirm or deny it. I try not to assume as fact anything a perp says.

I believe they had full intentions of murdering Charles that day and it did not just happen due to a fight as she claims.

She is telling everyone he is dark, has an evil spirit, etc., in him. They MAY have moved up the plan I guess is possible. And they were just way too calm, collected, story planned and so on. Alex's fake self defense wound.

Text messages imo are going to be a big part here but I'm not sure how they bring them in?

Kay last night was saying this jury is hard to read and that she isn't good at it anyhow. Sounds like they aren't taking near the notes they did in ID nor asking the questions they could. Her brother said they are very stoic. However, juries generally are that I've seen, they try to remain expressionless and so on.

I think that show might have been Thursday night but I just saw it last night. With Justin. It was a good watch.

I'm giving up for the moment about when she knew about the intervention. It isn't getting us anywhere as the answer isn't there. It may be somewhere in the past but I wouldnt know where to look.

If you rewatch the three interviews she and Alex are not that confident in what they say. Tylee's is much better and more confident and believable. I don't think she witnessed the shooting. I reposted their interviews in post 8434.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I definitely think she had Alex over there because Charles was coming. Alex was supposed to be home so Adam could spend the night. When did that change?

If you listen to that old one of Adam Tresir found, also Alex had the week off and Adam said that was unheard of for just staying around the area and home, that he might do that to go to Colombia or something but not to stick around taking a week off. CLEARLY they were planning. Imo. I think he also said something about his mother knowing more or being involved in more. He was very strong, animated and telling all to an officer. It is WELL worth listening to. Usually I sit to listen or watch anything but I just put that on fairly loud and did some other things while listening. If you get a chance I recommend, it basically all relates to RIGHT NOW. And to me, he is so upset, that I find this for sure truthful. Over the years, you know as he's' done the podcast and other things, I've not always been so sure but in this, he was upset and raw and honest imo for sure.

So not only did Alex ghost Adam but he had taken a week off prior if I recall or through that day anyhow. Janice and Summer too, I mean through the years I'd have put them in as knowing and partially involved to a point. However they did testify against Lori finally, probably not wanting to but finally they did. I think it was both, I know Summer did. Anyhow who knows if they knew about the intervention but they knew Charles was coming, that Charles wanted to get Lori off her out there ideas, that there were issues and so on. I don't think it is necessarily unusual to have a friend or male protector around in a heated breakup but I think this was planned for something else, i.e., the murder of Charles. Now whether the family knew that I don't know... Alex certainly did.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don’t think Charles ever left with JJ?

Allegedly he left the house to put him in the car, then re-entered the home for his phone. Hard to know what is true there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

None of them are alive to speak except Lori. But Tylee was still in her room. Check out her interview with LE. She comes out with the bat and holds it between her mother and Charles. She explains her mother sends her out to the car to stay with JJ. That's why those interviews are important and i brought them forward.

I know that but let's remember that they were all part of this. I am not going to trash Tylee but we don't know if she was given instructions or they "played" her. She was manipulated one way or another. The entire way to school with JJ and back, I am sure she was told what to tell the cops. I guess I don't automatically assume we are hearing the truth, even from Tylee. She is victim, and was used and played at minimum, I have NO blame for her but I can't take her words as proof positive. She was STUCK. So when you tell me she was still in her room, I know the story very well and know that is what was said. It may even be true, those parts. Or it may not be.

I hope you get what I mean. That you are informing me of their story which I know well. I just don't let it form as the for sure true story of what really happened.

The most haunting words in this. Not me mom. Not me. When hearing she was dark.

 

[Tresir]

Allegedly he left the house to put him in the car, then re-entered the home for his phone. Hard to know what is true there.

How else would Lori have got his phone? Also, Charles would have just left if he still had his phone with him I think she tells LE she found it in the car but they don't get it from her straight away so she has time to read everything on it. And tell her mother about it all.

 

[GrandmaBear]

If you rewatch the three interviews she and Alex are not that confident in what they say. Tylee's is much better and more confident and believable. I don't think she witnessed the shooting. I reposted their interviews in post 8434.

She is probably telling the truth but I believe she was played at minimum.

 

[Tresir]

I know that but let's remember that they were all part of this. I am not going to trash Tylee but we don't know if she was given instructions or they "played" her. She was manipulated one way or another. The entire way to school with JJ and back, I am sure she was told what to tell the cops. I guess I don't automatically assume we are hearing the truth, even from Tylee. She is victim, and was used and played at minimum, I have NO blame for her but I can't take her words as proof positive. She was STUCK. So when you tell me she was still in her room, I know the story very well and know that is what was said. It may even be true, those parts. Or it may not be.

I hope you get what I mean. That you are informing me of their story which I know well. I just don't let it form as the for sure true story of what really happened.

The most haunting words in this. Not me mom. Not me. When hearing she was dark.

Watch Tylee's interview. I believe what she says. That's even more haunting. LE leave her alone in the room for an hour in total.

I don't know how else we or the jury can determine proof of what happened.

And I believe that's likely why she was murdered. It's a pity the jury won't know about that.

 

[GrandmaBear]

If you rewatch the three interviews she and Alex are not that confident in what they say. Tylee's is much better and more confident and believable. I don't think she witnessed the shooting. I reposted their interviews in post 8434.

I absolutely cannot go back and watch everything that I already watched. It already took days and hours on end of life to see it all. In this one I have seen all there is to see, believe me. Sit through four hour YT ones of Annie for instance. Joe's sister. And all of the interviews in the various cases. I did put Adam's on yesterday you brought forward. And it was worth it so I get the value in doing so.

What I do in cases because some years later you may forget every detail of something you listened to is I know my conclusions were formed from listening to the facts. Or my opinions. So then without relistening I know there were valid reasons I came to them. I remember my conclusions basically always but by then can't necessarily recall everything that is in an interview, a document, etc. However, I know I formed them if solid, with valid facts and info.

This case has been too much through the years and trial is now on, I can't go revisit all the sh*t out there. Lol sorry but hope you understand. If I keep up with trial I will be lucky.

 

[GrandmaBear]

How else would Lori have got his phone? Also, Charles would have just left if he still had his phone with him I think she tells LE she found it in the car but they don't get it from her straight away so she has time to read everything on it. And tell her mother about it all.

How do you know they didn't get him to enter the house and he was ambushed right then and the phone taken? While Tylee took JJ to the car? There are all sorts of other scenarios that could have went on here. I don't take perp's words for anything. I could give many alternative possibilities. This is a hostile for lack of a better word relationship. Not an easy one. Why wouldn't it be that Charles never had to enter the house and Lori had JJ ready and was to bring him out? There was something back when I can't recall of why he had to enter, they made him enter somehow and it was likely to get JJ. Or he entered and laid his phone down as he wanted to get a recording as they hoped for the intervention it is really hard to know or say. I mHis ean all of the others there are DEAD. I just don't take the word of the bunch that did this. Hope you understand that.

Kay thinks he was ambushed, most people do. But we can wonder WHEN also. Larry thinks Lori took the second shot. People dont trash Tylee except for Lori for the most part and I will NEVER, she was in the grips of a monster, but I don't take the word of any of them. There may be pieces of truth in their story but we know it isn't all true correct? I'm not sure why you are assuming any of it is. We are never going to know because Lori isnt a truth teller and she is the only one left that was there. That's pretty interesting in and of itself isn't it....?

Tylee was STUCK and even her extended family wouldnt and couldnt' help her (ignore typos). They were all victims but man do I feel for her and they totally abused her body and all else and her. Colby has said her and lori's relationship was never great and she was always trying to get her mom's favor. There's a lot out there that adds to this all. TONS from familly members.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Watch Tylee's interview. I believe what she says. That's even more haunting. LE leave her alone in the room for an hour in total.

I don't know how else we or the jury can determine proof of what happened.

And I believe that's likely why she was murdered. It's a pity the jury won't know about that.

She very well could have been telling the truth. yes, I recall her sitting there alone. HER part could be entirely true, I am just not going to assume it is all. I believe they set her up at minimum, that she knew there was friction in the relationship, probably knew Alex was there to help, knew to come running to help if she heard arguing... Probably fed a lot of sh*t. Teenagers aren't dumb. Kids aren't as to what is going on in their household imo. She was probably used and sent out for the part they lied about. Totally possible. But again, I'm not going to ASSUME the truth of their story. I think she was likely played at best and knew nothing of the murder plot but again I am not going to assume that.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I do think Adam was telling the truth in his. And Tylee in hers. I am just not going to go to 100%. And Tylee was kind of helping Lori in another interview where it was Mel G, Tylee and Lori.

 

[RoundPeg]

I think Lori's master plan was to somehow provoke Charles that day so Alex could overreact and shoot him. I think him coming back for his phone gave Lori the perfect opening as she had his phone taunting him with it by then. I have a feeling Tylee was an innocent bystander. She was a parentified child.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think Lori's master plan was to somehow provoke Charles that day so Alex could overreact and shoot him. I think him coming back for his phone gave Lori the perfect opening as she had his phone taunting him with it by then. I have a feeling Tylee was an innocent bystander. She was a parentified child.

I can go with this and it is where i sit with it generally speaking. I think Lori and possibly Alex well knew of the plan to provoke. I think Tylee was played. But not told much so that her telling about it comes across as very truthful. She I am sure knew about the animosity between the two, Lori probably fretted with worry about Charles coming, etc.

I have never heard the word parentified lol. Honestly. I can hazard a guess but can you tell me in case I am wrong?

I do think this is the likely scenario. It is pretty much where I settle with it and what I think.