JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY! (13 Viewers)

GrandmaBear · Jun 8, 2025

Tresir said:
If we think about the order of the murders, it was Charles first, for his life insurance, which she found out he had changed. Then the kids for their social security. It wasn't enough so then she zoomed in on Brandon's life insurance, hence the attempt by her henchman Alex on Brandon. Oh darn he missed, the idiot, so then they tried Tammy, whose life insurance had recently been increased at Chad's insistence. Oh flip, he missed again FFS, so Chad, you need to take care of it personally now, Alex can help again.

Money was the combined motive for all the murders, so they should come into it IMO. The jury is only hearing about a very small part of the whole conspiracy.

Very true although they are hearing of others in this one, a bit anyhow. I'm sure they wonder why they're not charged. It isn't really for them to ask though why, I think the judge even told them that.

Tresir · Jun 8, 2025

Take her out! Just under 3 minutes long.

Regina · Jun 8, 2025

I watched enough of her cross exam of a witness to believe if I keep watching, my brain may turn to mush, lol.

GrandmaBear · Jun 8, 2025

Regina said:
I watched enough of her cross exam of a witness to believe if I keep watching, my brain may turn to mush, lol.

I saw all of the last trial. This one unfortunately I keep falling asleep during it. I've caught most in rewatches.

I watch as I don't know, for one I love to see the judge come down on her but at the same time, I worry how much patience he has left. He has been GREAT thus far through both and she DOES deserve it at times.

Yeah many of her questions are dumb imo too. She likes to keep officers on the stand and my opinion rarely gets anywhere with them. Of course she was going to keep Brandon up there.

She irritates me when she whines about things that SHE and only SHE caused.

I think it probably fair to say we will likely never see anything like this again.

GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Watched from Nate earlier. It was about the antics on Friday of Lori and her questioning of Brandon. Honestly I'd seen a lot of it already but he kept a lot of these things to do a show on Sunday night which he then did. It was pretty good. Not going to link it but boy was Friday a day. People can go find if they like. Lori just doesn't stop even when constantly told. Just circles back.

Then he did one on explaining her ID appeal. I did not watch that one.

He was home for the weekend I feel is the reason and it was Emmy's bday which is cool so I think he got on it when he got back to AZ later yesterday.

I have no interest in watching the appeal one. I am done with her for further things. I'm sure if she ever has any access with appeal I will hear about it, that's the way I'm going with appeals. NO. Not following.

Anyhow, the one was good and they are out there if anyone wants to catch up yet.

Tresir · Jun 9, 2025

Here's a link to her 64 page Idaho appeal, for anyone interested.

READ: Lori Vallow Daybell's Idaho appeal has been filed - East Idaho News

Lori Vallow Daybell’s appeal has been filed in Idaho after she was convicted in May 2023 of murdering her two children, Tylee Ryan and Joshua “JJ” Vallow, and conspiring to kill Tammy Daybell, the former wife of her husband, Chad Daybell. Craig Durham, Daybell’s appellate attorney, filed the...

www.eastidahonews.com

GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Tresir said:
Here's a link to her 64 page Idaho appeal, for anyone interested.

READ: Lori Vallow Daybell's Idaho appeal has been filed - East Idaho News

Lori Vallow Daybell’s appeal has been filed in Idaho after she was convicted in May 2023 of murdering her two children, Tylee Ryan and Joshua “JJ” Vallow, and conspiring to kill Tammy Daybell, the former wife of her husband, Chad Daybell. Craig Durham, Daybell’s appellate attorney, filed the...

www.eastidahonews.com

Not me. I'm not going further in this one. Maybe if in some point I hear something or have to, i will but no interest at all right now lol. I'm waiting for her cases to be done and am not opening a new door. But to each their own. If I happen to read a post about some of it that's one thing, but I'm not reading any links, etc. I am way past ready for her to go away.

Tresir · Jun 9, 2025

Monday, 9th June, morning.

Lori Vallow Daybell is on trial in Maricopa County, Arizona, on one charge of conspiracy to commit the murder of Brandon Boudreaux, her former nephew-in-law. Nate Eaton is live in the courtroom with updates. Please excuse any typos. Times listed below are in Mountain Standard Time, so they are an hour behind Idaho. (Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time.) The most recent updates are at the top.

11:53 a.m. The judge says we are going to break for lunch and will be back at 1:15 p.m.
11:52 a.m. Miller was witness #11. The prosecution has a list of 22 potential witnesses who could be called or referred to during the trial.
11:51 a.m. Treena has no questions. Jury has no questions. Treena asks for a sidebar.
11:49 a.m. Treena asks about drivers defeating the license plate readers. He says they remove their license plates, change numbers on the plate or cover part of the plate to make sure the camera doesn’t take an image. He says if traffic is busy, a failure rate could be high of not capturing images depending on the age of the cameras.
11:48 a.m. Treena approaches the lectern. She asks about the cameras being set up for drug trafficking and if the cameras are positioned in areas with high drug-trafficking. He says yes. Treena asks if all drug trafficking readers across the country are associated to Diesel. He says no. Other license plate readers could be part of other systems. He says there are many different programs. Their program is relatively small compared to others.
11:46 a.m. Lori asks if there are other photos of the Jeep Wrangler on Oct. 2. He is unsure if that was ever run. After 90 days, photos are purged from the platform. There are no photos from Oct. 3 either. Lori asks how far Holbrook is from Gilbert. He does not know. Lori says, “Would you be surprised if it was 173 miles?” He doesn’t know. Lori says she has no more questions.
11:45 a.m. Lori asks if they have any other photos of the Jeep. He says they don’t. He says a lot of time there are hardware or software issues with the cameras. Sometimes speed and the age of the camera, along with the amount of traffic, will also determine whether an image is captured. He says there are ways to defeat the cameras. Lori responds, “Huh. Interesting.” Treena objects and moves to strike. Lori chuckles and says, “Sorry, your honor.”
11:43 a.m. Lori asks Thomas if that is the only photo he has of the Jeep Wrangler license plate on Oct. 1. He says that is the only photo in the platform. Lori asks how many license plate readers are in Gilbert, Arizona. He is not sure. She asks if they have any. He says yes. There are over 11,000 cameras that feed into the platform. She asks if he is aware of any in Mesa. He says there are quite a few cameras in Arizona.
11:41 a.m. It would have been 5:52 a.m. Arizona time, given that daylight saving time is not in effect here. There is no tire on the back of the Jeep. A second page shows a close-up of the Texas plate. Treena has no further questions.
11:40 a.m. We see the image of the Jeep on the license plate reader with a Texas plate. It was captured on Oct. 1, 2019, at 6:52 a.m. MST traveling westbound on I-40.
11:38 a.m. The reader in Holbrook, Arizona, captures the back license plate. Treena moves to admit an exhibit.
11:36 a.m. Treena asks what information the cameras capture. It depends on the camera, software, etc. Sometimes it will just be the back plate, sometimes it’s the front plate, sometimes it’s both and sometimes it’s the entire vehicle.
11:35 a.m. Treena asks about a system used to access the information saved from the LPR (license plate reader) cameras. The headquarters for the program are in El Paso. Law enforcement can gain access to the platform. Diesel is the name of the program.
11:33 a.m. The program was established to help with drug trafficking investigations. Treena asks what a license plate reader is. Miller says it’s a camera normally positioned on routes utilized by drug traffickers. The camera focuses on license plates and creates images while creating an XML/text type file.
11:32 a.m. Next witness is Thomas Miller. He is a special agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration where he has worked for 27 years. He is the unit chief for the National License Plate Reader Program.
11:31 a.m. Lori has no questions for Moss. The jurors don’t have any questions. The witness is excused.
11:30 a.m. The job took about an hour on Sept. 25, 2019. Moss does not recall seeing the person who picked it up. He does not recall having any in-person contact with the owner. Treena has no further questions.
11:29 a.m. Treena points out the sticker on the window. It was there when the Jeep was dropped off. When the job was finished, Moss sent a text message receipt to the Arizona number. 5% tint was put on the rear window, 20% was put on the front. The job was $200.
11:27 a.m. Treena asks Moss if he recalls seeing the person who dropped the Jeep off. He does not. Moss says the license plates on the Jeep were white and from Texas. He couldn’t get the exact numbers from his camera surveillance system because of the angle of the vehicle.
11:25 a.m. Moss was asked to add more tint to the rear window. “If someone was laying or sitting in the back of this Jeep and you walked to look in there, you wouldn’t be able to see them?” Treena asks. Lori objects based on speculation. Judge overrules the objection. Moss says you wouldn’t be able to see someone with the factory tint plus an additional 5% added. “Broad daylight – you wouldn’t be able to see,” he says.
11:24 a.m. It’s a two-door Jeep Wrangler. They come with factory tint. “All the time, people come in and ask to darken the factory-tinted glass,” he says. Factory tint is 20%. He says they add another layer to the factory tint to make it darker.
11:22 a.m. A few days after the original inquiry, Moss sent a text to the number to set up an appointment. He told the person to drop the Jeep off at 9 a.m. to have the work done. Treena now shows a photo of the Jeep in the shop. Moss is cleaning some windows before putting film on the glass.
11:21 a.m. We see the exhibit and it shows a list of phone numbers that called the store. One of the numbers is from a 480 Arizona number. The person asked about getting a tint on their Jeep. Moss says he scheduled an appointment and tint was put on the Jeep.
11:20 a.m. We have video from today’s proceedings here.
11:19 a.m. If it’s 20%, you could see a silhouette of a person in the vehicle. Treena asks about some business he did on Sept. 23 and 25, 2019. She moves to admit an exhibit.
11:18 a.m. There are different percentages of tint that can be put on a window. 5% window film only lets in 5% of physical light. 70% lets in 70%. 5% is really dark, he says.
11:17 a.m. Treena asks who answers the phone if someone calls his company. He says it could be him or another employee. If someone calls in, they pull out a calendar and give them some dates and times they can come by. People can drop by their cars before or after hours.
11:16 a.m. Moss owns a window tinting shop in Rexburg, Idaho. He has owned the business since 2008.
11:15 a.m. Judge thanks the juror for their patience. He says an issue came up and not to speculate what happened. He says we are moving on to another witness. His name is Daniel Moss.
11:14 a.m. This is unusual as we were in the middle of Pillar’s testimony on Friday. He is not on the witness stand. Instead, Treena walks in with another witness.
11:13 a.m. Beresky is on the bench. He asks for the jury to be brought in and tells Treena Kay to get her next witness.
11:12 a.m. Treena Kay is next to Pillar and her paralegal. Jury has not been in the courtroom at all today.
11:08 a.m. We are being let back into the courtroom. Lori and her team remain at their table. Judge is not on the bench.
11:05 a.m. Sidebar continues. Still waiting outside courtroom.
10:56 a.m. A Department of Corrections administrator was part of the sidebar. He just walked out of the courtroom.
10:45 a.m. Still waiting outside the courtroom. Unclear what issue has come up but Judge Justin Beresky will likely explain (even vaguely) once we are allowed back in.
10:34 a.m. Judge has asked everyone to clear the courtroom. We are headed outside to the lobby area.
10:32 a.m. Judge asks for a sidebar with the parties. They all approach the bench. White noise is played in the courtroom.
10:32 a.m. Lori is in the courtroom with her advisory attorneys, judge is on the bench.
10:15 a.m. Not everyone was able to get into the courtroom. People are lining up outside to get in after lunch.
10:14 a.m. Treena is sitting at the prosecutor’s table with Pillar and her paralegal. I’ve been referring to her as Treena in these updates rather than Kay to prevent confusion with Kay Woodcock.
10:11 a.m. One of the biggest days we’ve seen as far as public turnout. Every seat is full. People began lining up outside at 5:30 a.m.
10:09 a.m. Back in the courtroom for day 3 of Lori Vallow Daybell’s Arizona trial. Gilbert Det. Ryan Pillar will be back on the stand this morning with Maricopa County Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Treena Kay questioning him. Brandon and Jenny Boudreaux are in the courtroom with other family members. Kay Woodcock is also here.

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GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Well if Melanie or someone gets charged, of course I will follow that.

Tresir · Jun 9, 2025

Monday 9th June, afternoon.

Lori Vallow Daybell is on trial in Maricopa County, Arizona, on one charge of conspiracy to commit the murder of Brandon Boudreaux, her former nephew-in-law. Nate Eaton is live in the courtroom with updates. Please excuse any typos. Times listed below are in Mountain Standard Time, so they are an hour behind Idaho. (Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time.) The most recent updates are at the top.
3:16 p.m. Gilbert police were in Rexburg processing the Jeep for approximately three hours. They then flew home to Phoenix. The items of evidence were then impounded at the department. Each gunshot residue kit has three viles. Each one is individually sealed. Six vials were used to process the Jeep.
3:15 p.m. The insurance card found in the Jeep showed the names of Charles and Lori Vallow.
3:13 p.m. The final thing processed in the Jeep was the removal of the infotainment system.
3:12 p.m. Lachcik processed the Jeep for fingerprints. No viable fingerprints were located within the Jeep and that can be dependent on the structure of the materials. Nothing was located where they searched, but they did have DNA and GSR.
3:11 p.m. He also wanted DNA from the lugnuts on the back wheel. Lachcik swabbed for DNA in all of those spots.
3:09 p.m. Pillar observed Lachcik processing the evidence. He also told her where they needed to collect DNA from the vehicle. “You want some vigorous connection, so the primary areas identified were the steering wheel, the door handles, the seat belt buckles from driver and passenger side,” he says.
3:08 p.m. GSR was taken from the back of the driver’s seat, the interior roof and the back of the passenger side seat, rear window and head rest/rooftop. Lachcik physically collected the GSR and Pillar was with her giving instructions and helping.
3:07 p.m. The rear seat was in the Jeep folded down. Pillar did not know the seat may have been removed at the time of the October shooting. Pillar knew the rear tire had been removed based on his interview with Brandon.
3:04 p.m. Pillar spoke with Lachcik about where to collect the evidence. They understood the shooter had fired from out the back window. Because of that, they focused GSR collection in the back cab of the interior of the Jeep.
3:03 p.m. We see multiple photos of the Jeep and the Texas license plate.
3:02 p.m. The Jeep has the sticker on the front window in the corner. Treena has pointed this sticker out to the jury when the Jeep photos are shown. The back windows are tinted and you can’t see inside unless you have a flashlight. “Very dark,” Pillar says. The rear tire is affixed on the back of Jeep.
3 p.m. Treena moves to admit photos taken of the Jeep when Pillar was processing it, along with photos from July 2019. The first photo shows an evidence tag. It contains the case number, who photographed the evidence, date and time. We now see a photo of the Jeep impounded at the Rexburg Police impound building.
2:57 p.m. Pillar worked with Crime Scene Specialist Tammy Lachcik. They went to Rexburg in Nov. 2019 to process the Jeep. Rexburg Det. Ray Hermosillo was with Pillar and helped execute the warrant. All the doors had integrity stickers on them to show it had not been physically accessed.
2:55 p.m. All the integrity seals were put on the evidence in Rexburg and the report management system assigns a number for each individual piece of evidence.
2:54 p.m. Pillar explains how DNA swabs are collected, sealed and then processed. Immediately after collecting GSR, you seal the item that you collected, put on a fresh pair of gloves and proceed to the next collection. Pillar was collecting evidence in Rexburg, Idaho, on the Jeep.
2:50 p.m. Treena picks up with questioning about Pillar being trained in collecting GSR, gunshot residue. He is trained in collecting fingerprints.
2:49 p.m. Judge is on the bench and Det. Pillar is back on the witness stand. Jurors are taking their seats.
2:46 p.m. Back in the courtroom. To clarify, I apparently misheard the juror question. It actually was “would it be harder to hit a closer target” not “cougar running” This courtroom has poor acoustics. You can hear the question on the livestream.
2:34 p.m. Afternoon recess for 15 minutes.
2:32 p.m. Juror question: “When hunting with a rifle, would it be easier or harder to hit a cougar running?” She says it would be harder. Treena asks if the movement of the object would also make it more difficult. If you are shooting freehand, the gun could go in an upward direction when you fire.
2:30 p.m. White noise is played in the courtroom and judge, Lori and Treena put on headphones while they discuss the juror question.
2:29 p.m. Treena has nothing further. One juror has a question. This is the first juror question from this trial. Judge tells the juror to write it down and pass it forward.
2:28 p.m. Treena shows an image of the scene. She asks about the distance between the car and the Jeep. Robb didn’t do any measurements, but believes they may have been 10 feet apart.
2:27 p.m. Other officers searched the house room-to-room to make sure nobody else was there, Robb says. Brandon gave permission for the officers to search.
2:26 p.m. Treena asks if Brandon said his car was still moving when it was hit by a bullet. He did. The person was firing at a moving vehicle.
2:25 p.m. Treena asks if Brandon was able to tell her what happened when he turned onto the street and saw the Jeep. He was.
2:24 p.m. She asks about Brandon saying it was a BB gun because nothing came into his vehicle. That is correct, Robb says. Brandon had no idea there was a bullet hole in his vehicle.
2:23 p.m. Lori has no further questions. Treena will now re-direct.
2:23 p.m. Robb says she sees green in the report, but not pukey. Lori moves on and asks, “The only witness you had that heard a loud bang was Brandon, is that correct?” That’s correct.
2:22 p.m. Lori asks if she remembers writing that the Jeep was a pukey green. Robb is looking at her report to refresh her memory.
2:21 p.m. Lori asks Robb if she has spoken with Pillar about this case since Oct. 2, 2019. She has not. She wrote her report and was done.
2:18 p.m. Lori asks Robb if she entered the house or garage. She did not. Lori asks if Robb wrote a report. She did. Lori asks the name of the neighbor who Robb spoke with and if she said…Treena then objects. Hearsay. Judge sustains. Lori asks if the neighbor gave relevant information that was used in the investigation. Robb says she gave the information to the detective.
2:17 p.m. Lori asks Robb if she followed up with the neighbor. She did not. Lori asks Robb when Brandon called his friends to come over. Robb says she asked Brandon if she needed to call someone to be with him. He did not, but called his friends himself.
2:16 p.m. Lori asks how long Robb was at the scene. Maybe an hour or two. Lori asked what Robb did after she spoke to Brandon and briefed the detectives. She stood on the side of the road next to Brandon and his friends. A neighbor came out of her door and Robb spoke with her.
2:15 p.m. Lori asks Robb if she was part of the side-by-side walking down the road looking for projectiles or casings. She was not. Robb was not there when the officers did the search.
2:14 p.m. Lori asks how far the Jeep was from the driveway. Robb says maybe ten feet. Lori asks if it would be hard to hit your target at ten feet away. “No, I don’t think so,” Robb says.
2:13 p.m. Lori asks if there was a silencer, would there be a loud bang? Robb says she doesn’t know. She’s never had experience with a silencer on a rifle, just a handgun. Lori asks if you are inside a nice car and the radio might be on, you might not even hear a loud bang if a silencer is on a rifle. Treena objects. Judge sustains.
2:12 p.m. Lori asks Robb if Brandon said “puke green” to her regarding the color of the Jeep. She doesn’t recall. She does remember Brandon getting his phone to show her and another officer the color of the Jeep. Brandon said it was camo green.
2:11 p.m. Lori asks if Robb is aware that one piece of glass was found in the street. Robb is not aware of that. Lori says if Brandon and his friends were walking around the crime scene, they could possibly kick the glass with their shoes. Robb says that is a possibility. Lori asks if it’s odd that Brandon was standing in the street after someone had shot at him. Treena objects based on speculation. Sustained.
2:10 p.m. Lori asks if Brandon indicated about seeing a little boy outside. “Nothing like that, no,” Robb says. Lori asks if Brandon commented about a paintball gun. He did. Lori asks Robb if she saw any exit hole with the flashlight. She did not.
2:09 p.m. Lori asks Robb if she moved the glass. She did not. Lori asks if she saw any of the detectives move the glass. She did not. Lori asks if the glass was intact just shattered. Robb says it stayed in one big place on the ground in the driveway. Lori asks Robb if she saw a bullet hole in the glass. She did not.
2:08 p.m. Lori asks Robb what was found in the back seat. Nothing. Lori asks if there was any glass in the backseat of the car. No. Lori asks if glass was in the front seat of the car. Robb doesn’t recall. There was glass on the outside but doesn’t recall if any glass was inside.
2:07 p.m. Lori asks how big the hole was. Robb says she didn’t measure it, but it was definitely a rifle round. Lori asks if this was a typical rifle bullet. “I don’t know much about bullets,” Lori says with a small laugh.
2:05 p.m. Lori asks if sticking the pen in could dislodge the projectiles. “No, ma’am,” Robb says. No projectiles were found. Lori asks about the trajectory of the bullet. Robb says the bullet hole was approximately 1.5-2 inches above Brandon’s head. The bullet went upward into the frame of the car.
2:04 p.m. Lori asks how long they talked because they went to look at the Tesla. Robb says maybe 4-5 minutes. Lori asks if when Robb put her pen in the bullet hole, what she looking for. She was looking for the trajectory and trying to determine where the bullet could be in the vehicle.
2:02 p.m. Lori approaches the podium. She asks Robb how far into the street Brandon was when she pulled up. She says maybe 2-3 feet. Lori asks Robb where she parked. Across the street. Lori asks where she spoke with Brandon. She started to talk with him in the street and had him walk onto the sidewalk to tell her what was happening.
2:01 p.m. Treena has no further questions. Lori consults with Pamela Hicks, her advisory attorney.
2 p.m. Brandon told Robb he had just moved into the home a week earlier. He shared his morning routine with the officer – taking the kids to school, dropping off their youngest at Melanie’s. Robb passed these details along to the sergeants. She took notes “from the minutes I started until I left the scene.” She was also wearing a body camera that recorded the interaction.
1:59 p.m. Brandon told Robb that Lori and her husband, Charles, used to live in Texas. That was significant because the Jeep had license plates from Texas. Robb passed that information to the sergeants to bring to the detectives.
1:57 p.m. Robb had contact with Brandon in front of his home and when he went with his friends across the street to sit down. Robb asked Brandon if he had any enemies. He said the only thing he could think of was his soon-to-be ex-wife’s family. He also mentioned an incident in Chandler that happened in July involving Lori Vallow and Alex Cox.
1:56 p.m. Detectives were dispatched out to the scene. Robb asked if there was a family member or friend who could come to stay with Brandon. A few of his friends showed up. Brandon has had many friends and family members in court. His uncle from Las Vegas is here today.
1:54 p.m. Robb told the other officers she did not think they would be able to find a casing because it was shot from a Jeep. In order to open the back window of the Jeep, you have to open the tailgate. “If there’s a tire on it and you want to open just the window, it would hit the tire?” Treena asks. Robb says that’s correct.
1:53 p.m. Treena asks Robb if she has fired a rifle. Numerous times, she’s an avid hunter. She says if you have a bolt-action rifle, you need to manually open up the bolt, and the casing will eject, but then you put another round in your gun. If it’s a semiautomatic rifle, as soon as you shoot, the casing will pop out and another bullet will go into the chamber. Robb didn’t expect to find a casing because she also owns a Jeep Wrangler. The majority of the rifle would be inside the Jeep, so the casing would likely be inside the vehicle.
1:51 p.m. Brandon told Robb the Jeep was parked the wrong way next to a white minivan on the street. Treena shows a photo of the scene. Brandon called 911 as he was driving away from his house. Brandon said it was a 2-door Jeep with a Texas plate.
1:49 p.m. Brandon described the vehicle as a darkish green Jeep Wrangler and he said as he was driving westbound on Phelps, the back window of the Jeep flew open and he noticed a muzzle that was pointing out at his vehicle. He thought it might be a silencer, but there was a very loud bang. “His window shattered and he just got scared so he took off and went around the block.”
1:49 p.m. When Robb showed Brandon the bullet hole, he said he needed to sit down. “I just need a minute. I just need to sit down,” he said. Robb asked if he needed a chair. He said he just needed a minute. Robb let him sit down to gather himself. “He was quite shaken,” she says. His hands were physically shaking.
1:48 p.m. Brandon was “bewildered,” she says. He was very quiet and concerned. “He had no idea what in the world happened,” Robb says. “What in the world took place a few minutes ago.”
1:46 p.m. Robb used her iPhone to take photos of the scene. She asked Brandon if he took out the window. He said as soon as he put the car into park, the driver’s door opened and the window fell. Brandon said he had not touched it or moved it.
1:44 p.m. Brandon had not seen the hole before Robb pointed it out. She used her flashlight to try to find an exit point for the bullet. She did not find one. Robb went back to her vehicle and called one of her officer’s who was in the area looking for a suspect’s vehicle. She explained this was no BB gun, this was an actual bullet hole. “We do have a crime here” and she asked him to come over to set up the crime scene.
1:43 p.m. Treena shows a photo of the car from the driver’s side showing the bullet hole. Brandon made a comment that at first he thought maybe it was a BB gun because the window “kind of shattered.” Treena asks if the hole looked like it was made by a BB gun. “Definitely not,” Robb responds. Robb told Brandon it was definitely not a BB or pellet or paintball gun.
1:41 p.m. Dispatch had told Robb there had been a shooting possibly involving a rifle. When Robb went over to the Tesla, all the doors were closed. On the frame of the car on the driver’s side, she noticed a hole in the top of the car. “It looked to me like it was a bullet hole.”
1:40 p.m. When she arrived, a gentleman was standing in the street and a dark colored Tesla was in the driveway. Next to the car was a window on the ground. Robb spoke with Brandon Boudreaux, the man who called 911. Robb went and looked at the Tesla.
1:39 p.m. Robb spent most of her career on patrol. She was also a crime prevention officer and worked as a detective for a few years. She working on Oct. 2, 2019, around 9:15 a.m. She responded to a 911 call reporting a shooting.
1:39 p.m. Robb was the first officer to arrive at Brandon’s home after the shooting. Robb retired in 2021. She worked as an officer in Arizona for 34 years.
1:38 p.m. Marianne Robb, retired officer with the Gilbert Police Department, takes the stand.
1:36 p.m. Perry did not do any analysis for this case, she simply prepared them to be analyzed. Perry has no further questions, neither does Lori. The jury has no questions. The witness is excused.
1:34 p.m. Perry makes notes that the evidence is properly sealed with initials before she opens it. She says when she reviewed the evidence in this case, nothing appeared to be tampered with. She was provided with a swab from a steering wheel, driver’s side seatbelt and passenger side interior handle. Another swab from the spare tire and driver’s side interior handle.
1:32 p.m. Perry was responsible for receiving swabs collected from a crime scene. She prepared her work space to handle the evidence, cleaned her lab space with a bleach solution and put down paper to prepare the area. She takes copious notes. She removed the swabs to process half of it for DNA testing, the other half was to be preserved in case further testing is needed.
1:31 p.m. Perry is sworn in. She works for Mesa Police Forensics Services. Her current duties include supervising the Evidence Processing Unit. In 2019 and 2020, she was a forensic scientist in the evidence unit.
1:29 p.m. Lori has no questions, jury has no questions. Witness steps down. Next witness is Lisa Perry from Mesa Police.
1:27 p.m. The blood was collected at the coroner’s office. She used the blood to create a profile. Treena has no further questions.
1:25 p.m. Sapinoso created a DNA profile for Alex Cox from his blood. Lab technicians went to the Gilbert Police Department evidence section and brought some evidence back for DNA testing. Alex’s blood sample was in a sealed evidence envelope.
1:24 p.m. Known-source DNA is collected directly from an individual. A DNA profile is created after DNA is obtained from a person. You can have a known DNA profile or an unknown DNA profile.
1:22 p.m. Sapinoso has been trained internally and done workshops, training outside the office. Treena asks what biological sources can be used to obtain DNA. Sapinoso says half of DNA comes from your mom, half comes from your dad. DNA is in the blood, semen, saliva, touch DNA, skin cells, etc.
1:21 p.m. Sapinoso currently works at the Orange County District Attorney’s Office. She used to work in Mesa, Arizona, as a forensic scientist where she did DNA analysis, blood stain pattern analysis and was a forensic artist.
1:19 p.m. Jury walks in. Beresky says we should get back to Det. Pillar later this afternoon. Treena calls Sapinoso.
1:18 p.m. Beresky asks Treena what each witness will testify about. Lori asks if the jury will be confused based on the witness order. Treena says the trial started two days late and she had to juggle her witnesses based on them traveling from out of state.
1:13 p.m. Lori just walked in with her files. Her advisory attorneys are at the defense tables. Treena Kay, Det. Pillar and paralegal are at the prosecution table. Beresky is on the bench and asks who will testify. Next witness is Emy Lynn Sapinoso, a retired forensic scientist. Followed by Lisa Perry from the Mesa Police Department and Marianne Robb from Gilbert Police. Det. Pillar will then take the stand again.
1:09 p.m. Back in the courtroom. A few empty seats this afternoon in the gallery, but not many.

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GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Fairly uneventful today other than Detective Pillar did not go back on the stand until now, even though he was there earlier, that's the second witness now he didn't finish and then going out of order. No explanation was offered.

There was finally one juror question.

Tresir · Jun 9, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Fairly uneventful today other than Detective Pillar did not go back on the stand until now, even though he was there earlier, that's the second witness now he didn't finish and then going out of order. No explanation was offered.

There was finally one juror question.

Haven't read the transcripts in detail. Haven't had a lot of time today as I went shopping. Will try and catch up with Read tomorrow but i don't think much happened there either.

Am finding both Daybell and Read a bit boring and repetitive now.

GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Tresir said:
Haven't read the transcripts in detail. Haven't had a lot of time today as I went shopping. Will try and catch up with Read tomorrow but i don't think much happened there either.Str

Am finding both Daybell and Read a bit boring and repetitive now.

Yeah I know what you mean. Not much for theatrics from Lori today either unless there were some we weren't privy to.

A bit ago Treena was bringing Chad up a lot, that was interesting imo. Stressing how Alex's burner phone was the one to always call Chad's phone before and after this shooting, etc.

Man I hope they are going to bring charges against a couple of others yet, if not more.

GrandmaBear · Jun 9, 2025

Tresir said:
Haven't read the transcripts in detail. Haven't had a lot of time today as I went shopping. Will try and catch up with Read tomorrow but i don't think much happened there either.

Am finding both Daybell and Read a bit boring and repetitive now.

Oh yeah and Read is boring me to tears. Alessi was having a hopping up and down fit earlier. Just wasn't in the mood for it at all. I watched until Daybell started and was glad to switch cases.

Oh then they were voir diring one of their "supposed" experts but I missed the reason, all I can figure is they brought her in late. She's just an average ME or some such, no special expertise although they were trying to claim she was. Smh.

Tresir · Jun 10, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Oh yeah and Read is boring me to tears. Alessi was having a hopping up and down fit earlier. Just wasn't in the mood for it at all. I watched until Daybell started and was glad to switch cases.

Oh then they were voir diring one of their "supposed" experts but I missed the reason, all I can figure is they brought her in late. She's just an average ME or some such, no special expertise although they were trying to claim she was. Smh.

I watched some of her testimony. I thought her evidence about the cause of his head injuries was very good and thorough. Specifically the bit about the wound on the back of his head and how it caused the racoon eyes. I'll add this on the Read thread too.

GrandmaBear · Jun 10, 2025

Tresir said:
I watched some of her testimony. I thought her evidence about the cause of his head injuries was very good and thorough. Specifically the bit about the wound on the back of his head and how it caused the racoon eyes. I'll add this on the Read thread too.

I responded there already.

Tresir · Jun 10, 2025

I am posting Nate's courtroom insider from last night. He says there are only 7 P witnesses left and they may not call them all so it won't be long till the P rests in his opinion and then it will be time to see who Lori will call and if she will testify. He recaps yesterday's testimonies.

Nate also makes the point that yesterday was the anniversary of when the kids were found and does a little section on that too. He explains and plays "white noise" and a few other things. Worth a watch.

COURTROOM INSIDER | DNA, GSR, LPR and more brought up as six witnesses testify in Daybell trial - East Idaho News

Tonight on “Courtroom Insider,” six witnesses take the stand in Lori Vallow Daybell’s Arizona trial. DNA, GSR, LPR and other items were discussed. Nate Eaton breaks it all down. Watch in the video player above.

www.eastidahonews.com

GrandmaBear · Jun 10, 2025

Tresir said:
I am posting Nate's courtroom insider from last night. He says there are only 7 P witnesses left and they may not call them all so it won't be long till the P rests in his opinion and then it will be time to see who Lori will call and if she will testify. He recaps yesterday's testimonies.

Nate also makes the point that yesterday was the anniversary of when the kids were found and does a little section on that too. He explains and plays "white noise" and a few other things. Worth a watch.

COURTROOM INSIDER | DNA, GSR, LPR and more brought up as six witnesses testify in Daybell trial - East Idaho News

Tonight on “Courtroom Insider,” six witnesses take the stand in Lori Vallow Daybell’s Arizona trial. DNA, GSR, LPR and other items were discussed. Nate Eaton breaks it all down. Watch in the video player above.

www.eastidahonews.com

I watched it. The white noise sound explained what I could not understand--which is when they use the headphones to do a sidebar. I didn't see how Lori or any could talk to each other from their seats to the judge without someone overhearing them on headphones, talking into them. I guess it must block the white noise for them and whatever they say no chance can be heard.

Yeah, he recapped it pretty well as always. Yesterday was not overly remarkable. She did or something did delay the one LE witness that she kept trying to hint was friendly with Brandon earlier on and when she crossed him (he will be back today if I recall) finally, she got a bit of attitude going but he took it well and stood it without much reaction. She was pointing out a lot of things they did NOT do. And so on.

Treena is not holding back objections nearly as much in this trial as in the one for Charles.

I'm so sick of Lori and yet in the same breath as she is sickening, watching her like whine when she caused what he whined about is interesting. We've really never seen her actually speaking much until these trials. It makes me feel sorrier than ever for her victims and the families and leaves me where I can't help but wonder how her own family never saw this is how she works and ticks.

She disrupts the entire schedule and then whines she doesn't know who the next witness is so can't prepare and Treena has to reschedule everyone.

GO AWAY LORI DUMBBELL.

Tresir · Jun 10, 2025

I finally went to Fox10 and Justin is reporting on his link what is happening. Live updating chat in the comments say Colby will be there today.

Here's the link. Click 'watch on Youtube' to read the live scrolling comments while you watch.

GrandmaBear · Jun 10, 2025

I've been watching Linda mostly. She has good and friendly followers and life hasn't allowed her to be on a lot of cases and so on lately. It's always fun and during breaks she gives good snark at Lori lol and if there is one case most agree on something, it is this one. She has followed since day one and knows it well. So been giving my support there. I do watch Nate and Justin if I can in the evening.

Both of them are go tos for many. They though are attending and don't chat or moderate during breaks and such, but they are good for knowing what actually is going on in the courtroom. So many covering this one. Actually I think Linda's feed is through Justin/Fox 10.

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