JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Oneofthem · Apr 23, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Good Lord I've missed you! True story.

LOL! I need some sleep but I swear you could keep me up for hours. I’m too old for that. Then again, maybe not.

Kimster · Apr 23, 2025

I was just watching Adam and Rex‘s Silver lining podcast and Adam said that Summer says the reason she told Lori about Adam‘s movements the day before Charles was killed was because Lori had convinced her that JJ was in danger with Charles. So she thought she was protecting JJ, and that JJ would be in safer with Lori and/or Summer.

Oneofthem · Apr 23, 2025

Kimster said:
I was just watching Adam and Rex‘s Silver lining podcast and Adam said that Summer says the reason she told Lori about Adam‘s movements the day before Charles was killed was because Lori had convinced her that JJ was in danger with Charles. So she thought she was protecting JJ, and that JJ would be in safer with Lori and/or Summer.

Call me skeptical. Charles paid for the whole family’s trips to Hawaii. Paid their cell phone bills, Gave them money. They saw him in real life but yet Sommer thought he might hurt his son? That family let Lori lead them around. They were improper in their interactions. And there is something about Rex. When they first began their podcast, about a year or two ago, anyway Rex defended his brother and that family. He and Adam always careful not to say anything bad about them. I never watched after that.

Oneofthem · Apr 23, 2025

Goodnight everyone.

Kimster · Apr 23, 2025

Oneofthem said:
Goodnight everyone.

Sleep well! :icare:

GrandmaBear · Apr 23, 2025

Oneofthem said:
Aw thanks. I’m glad to be here and see you are so welcoming. Brandon sued his ex wife’s attorneys for slandering him to his kids. they lied. That’s how he got that money. And lawyers aren’t cheap. I am sure he paid his lawyer 40 percent of that, which is fine with me. teach those devils to lie about him! I understand that he and MBP share visitation but he has custody. I am sure he has the money to have security watch those kids somehow.

Adam did the right thing in testifying but he is still staying to stay on his mom and dads good side. They should be the ones begging him to come back!

No I couldn’t hurt anyone but I did like the idea of all of us lining up to slap Lori. Just to make her realize she is not elevated and yes, she can feel pain.

LOL!! Like I said, I've missed you. I would get in that line and don't tell me Lori that you don't eat or pee either!! And yes, could I give a slap!!

I know why Brandon got the money but it's just a thing that nags at me a big. I'm not necessarily in disagreement with it but it sure isn't well known and I think I'd be using it to try to cut off , mall contact. I mean she was out to kill HIM and THEM. It just bothers me a bit, maybe in his trial we will find out a bit more. I wouldn't be trusting my kids with her AT ALL.

Yes, Adam bothers me and Summer and mom and dad certainly do. This case has went on a long time and I haven't forgotten a lot of these things although sometimes I need to be reminded of them.
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I don't disagree with Brandon suing, don't get me wrog, boy do I know worthless attys. and stuff like that, but I'm not sold on why you'd ever let your kids near their mother again with the things she did. It's just a thing I guess I keep open--everything around this bunch is about $$. Not accusing him of anything, it just sits a bit odd with me and is something I don't forget.

GrandmaBear · Apr 24, 2025

Oneofthem said:
LOL! I need some sleep but I swear you could keep me up for hours. I’m too old for that. Then again, maybe not.

You have me chuckling. Well since I dropped off dozing again with absolutely no reason for it, I guess that plays in. I like your maybe not lol. I don't know why I am falling asleep at all hours of the day. You go to bed when you need to, I wouldn't stop you, I'll hopefully still be here with a bunch of posts for you to read lol. Maybe. Depends on the day.

If I recall, you don't follow a ton of cases but this was one you blame me for getting you onto.

And oh what a tangled web....

Now you know it like the back of your hand.

Morphew was our pet one. I HATE that justice has not resulted that. Before that, it was Berreth/Frazee.

I can't repeat enough how much you made my day. So glad to see you.

GrandmaBear · Apr 24, 2025

Kimster said:
I was just watching Adam and Rex‘s Silver lining podcast and Adam said that Summer says the reason she told Lori about Adam‘s movements the day before Charles was killed was because Lori had convinced her that JJ was in danger with Charles. So she thought she was protecting JJ, and that JJ would be in safer with Lori and/or Summer.

I have to tell you I figured she'd say something on that order. But I really have some doubts about that family. It isn't because I want to be that way either, it has all been just a bit too much. I do think Summer was truly upset over the kids and the focus that came onto their family but I am not so sure about Charles. She entertained Lori's beliefs a bit too back when or she said she did like to humor her, her and Janice were not very forthcoming, and so on.

I guess i am going to be myself and say that I wouldn't trust a one of them. I'm just not sure.

I also guess I'm just never going to not say what I think if allowed to. Just the other day you were upset about the Summer thing weren't you? I can believe possibly they were played but I guess I'm not going to assume it. There is just too much here to do that. It's all like about $$ and attention. It's weird, sorry. I think even Adam made some remark on the stand was it that he likes attn too but something about Lori, I forget. For goodness sakes it sounds like Summer was one at the pool party.

I'm not trying to argue one bit, I just am very wary with regard to this family. I GET family loyalty. Totally. I get she may have played them. Totally. But there just is something wrong here. I know I wouldn't leave a person or child I cared about in the care of a single one of them.

I don't have the words I guess but it was like me saying how every single one starts shows. I mean I'm okay with that but at that same time it sure wouldn't be the norm in my world.

As you can see @Oneofthem and I arent necesssarily totally on the same page on Brandon's settlement, they are just things I guess I stay aware of, so much is about the $$$.

Something that struck me lately is about imperfect physical bodies, Lori talking about how Tylee was always sick and had such troubles, JJ a drug baby and that makes me think back to Stacy which came up again in something I watched Megan was asked about it and the entire family followed Lori to Hawaii and never came home when Stacy had issues, another body not perfect for this world... Maybe in their eyes... It is said the dad was really into physical perfection and being above...

It's hard to ignore or forget these things for me. Again not trying to argue but this just kind of struck in the last week or two. And Tammy was supposedly sickly too. And Lori valued appearance and being someone who didn't have to eat and so on. That isn't necessarily the rest of the family but look at them... No?

For me, at least, I can't let this last reminder go with Summer and so on. They did testify, Adam too but I think things got so public and so bad well, they had to...

And I picked up on I thought other things in Summer's recorded call the other day when I did a relisten than I did before...

And I've never forgotten that I don't think she nor her mom were forthcoming in the first police interviews.

I guess I'm just saying would you leave your grandchildren with any of them? Anyone in that family?

Tylee was STUCK. She could not even apparently talk to grandma.

I don't mean to go at this but just been through too much life I guess and this family is odd. The religion or their thoughts of being different and special are odd. Charles was an IN LAW and NOT LDS initially.

Sorry if I come across whatever, but I've listened to a lot on it over the years and it brings it all back up lately and now there have been even more reminders. And he was going to the cops...

Just for me, I'm not going to let it go this time. I think it got so big and then the kids were too much, and family or some had to make a choice... BECAUSE it was big news and charges and so on.

I guess too we all bring in our own bias. Like with Stacy. My family would have been flying HOME. Even if on a trip of a lifetime. I know I would have.

Not sure if I've made any sense?

I guess I am simply not going to give a pass this time. I got the feeling the family or at least Summer and Janice were all for taking Charles out. I can't help it.

I gave Summer a bit of a pass on that phone call because of her testifying and her upset, but many still were not ok with her even then.

As to Adam and Rex, well I just don't know. I mean some had to and had no choice but to do the right thing to a point. Summer, Adam... Janice is another story...

Again I wouldn't leave anyone in their care. I might sound harsh but it is how I see it. NO ONE who isn't LDS gets into the 144. And Charles wasn't. We have imperfect people and bodies. The rest of us don't matter. Barry might sound stupid but paid for Lori's boob job as she was lacking. Physical perfection is a thing in that family too.

It is just all so weird. I tried to get away from these thoughts but it all comes back now.

I don't know that we will ever know all, and I don't know what is what with the family, but how can one not be screwed up due to some of such things...

The funny thing is how life takes the toll. Perfection is tried for but Janice looks like a hag, now Lori does. Stacy was imperfect. Tylee was sickly. JJ was a drug baby. Alex was in an accident and never quite right. And they are all dead. Oh and Joe was drinking and a problem and had heart issues, not healthy.

I'm going on, I realize, but something is really wrong here, and I don't think just with Lori. There are so many cases and it is about the $$.

I guess I'm just not going to buy the simple explanations as to this family. Did Janice ever work? Melanie? Summer? Yet cushy lives in all cases.

I just don't know. And I'm not saying I DO know. I just know something doesn't sit right. Talking it out I guess... And certainly not trying to offend.

GrandmaBear · Apr 24, 2025

Oneofthem said:
Call me skeptical. Charles paid for the whole family’s trips to Hawaii. Paid their cell phone bills, Gave them money. They saw him in real life but yet Sommer thought he might hurt his son? That family let Lori lead them around. They were improper in their interactions. And there is something about Rex. When they first began their podcast, about a year or two ago, anyway Rex defended his brother and that family. He and Adam always careful not to say anything bad about them. I never watched after that.

OMG. I wish I had read this before my last post. Rex is trying imo to defend the church. For one. And be some "sage" know it all adviser.

I forget who it was recently, I think Annie, that the whole family followed Lori around like to Hawaii and you name it and Charles paid for a ton of things, you got it. Like Lori was the family leader.

I recall like Summer and Janice's first interviews.

There is just so much.

I'm with you though. I tried to forgive, forget, when like Summer was upset over the kids.... I'm not so sure any longer. I think she was but over other things perhaps as well...

I've been back and forth on Colby too. But I feel better about him these days but I never ever fall for everything with this family...

It can be kind of hard to talk about without talking about the religion too.

I guess I am going to leave it at that I'm not going into blind trust with any of them. And even Brandon and others have talked about how generous Charles was with money and things. Was Lori their little sexy golden girl to get Charles and husbands to fund the entire family? It bears thinking about.

I know how crazy that sounds to most of us who would never do such or think like such.

I need to shut up but I am going to end with my trust with anyone in that family is not solid. And the ones I would give more trust to IF I do are the ones that left the religion and the family. Even they though are trying to do channels.

Mind boggling.

I've probably said too much. Just past trusting some types in this lifetime I guess.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

Kimster said:
I have no problem with her pleading guilty in Brandon's case and going back to Idaho. I'm sick of her and look forward to the day that this thread is a ghost town. The only reason I keep up with it is because I'm this far into it, may as well stick with it to the end.

That's how i feel LOL.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
I watched them the other night and it sounded a little different than that, as if they are going to take crime cases and what families say if they can't get a member to talk to them and something on that order.

Colby has a good sense of humor as I've mentioned and while of course I hope he sticks to being a healing thing, I hope he expands it some to other things. He has done things like some movies, a bit on food, and I truly think a bit of variety would be good for him, and trying to help him move on some. Jmo though.

Yeah, I was surprised when Nate said that. I knew he was maybe considering it. I mean it is in their state where for this one he had to travel to AZ. And it is without doubt a big one. I don't know if he will cover until these are all over or if he will do some blips in between, do you? I mean he still has Brandon's trial in this one. I don't know how much I've seen of Entin although I know who Brian is. I always forget if he is with Law and Crime or News Nation, one of them isn't it?

You know, I've watched more of Justin in this trial than I had in some time and he brings different things than Nate and while in normal life I don't always have time to watch all or more than one, I did have some time this time.

Been a bit of a whirlwind with both trials and case news lately. Bad term for it but it's like feast or famine for lack of a better one. Either everything is going and active or all are quiet.

A number of other trials coming up fast IF they don't end up delayed. I think there was another one going on too but darned if I can recall which one. Not Daybell, not Read, some other one.

Anyhow, yeah, I'm not sold on Adam and Rex, I've touched on that before. Jmo though. I watched a lot of them in the beginning. And I credit Adam for his testimony in this trial, especially after hearing only 1 person on the jury was LDS, he described the story of Nephi which sounded as if that was a big thing to some jurors as to what it meant.

Not real into healing channels and ready for Lori to go away I guess. Will just have to see I suppose.

Other trials LISK hopefully?

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
OMG. I wish I had read this before my last post. Rex is trying imo to defend the church. For one. And be some "sage" know it all adviser.

I forget who it was recently, I think Annie, that the whole family followed Lori around like to Hawaii and you name it and Charles paid for a ton of things, you got it. Like Lori was the family leader.

I recall like Summer and Janice's first interviews.

There is just so much.

I'm with you though. I tried to forgive, forget, when like Summer was upset over the kids.... I'm not so sure any longer. I think she was but over other things perhaps as well...

I've been back and forth on Colby too. But I feel better about him these days but I never ever fall for everything with this family...

It can be kind of hard to talk about without talking about the religion too.

I guess I am going to leave it at that I'm not going into blind trust with any of them. And even Brandon and others have talked about how generous Charles was with money and things. Was Lori their little sexy golden girl to get Charles and husbands to fund the entire family? It bears thinking about.

I know how crazy that sounds to most of us who would never do such or think like such.

I need to shut up but I am going to end with my trust with anyone in that family is not solid. And the ones I would give more trust to IF I do are the ones that left the religion and the family. Even they though are trying to do channels.

Mind boggling.

I've probably said too much. Just past trusting some types in this lifetime I guess.

You know what i think? The church let them talk all that BS at their "conferences" and this was the outcome. All this dark and light crap came from who? Chad. And he was an official of the church right. They had to know the bull he was preaching and sharing authorization to commit murder. Church of the Firstborn. LDS needed to clean house. Maybe now they have.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
That whole thing is odd, and that marriage imo. As odd as Alex's and Zulema's.

It seems to be a bit of a thing to be married in the LDS, I mean no offense to anyone.

He was recording Mel, etc. but then he TOLD her.

Who marries that crazy fast. I'm really not okay with Ian or David is it, Mel G's hub, NOR Zulema. Just my opinion but I've not released any of them from any of this... Unsure...

I think Ian actually helped to crack it apart because he shared it with his ex wife.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

Kimster said:
I was just watching Adam and Rex‘s Silver lining podcast and Adam said that Summer says the reason she told Lori about Adam‘s movements the day before Charles was killed was because Lori had convinced her that JJ was in danger with Charles. So she thought she was protecting JJ, and that JJ would be in safer with Lori and/or Summer.

That's sounds like a BS excuse to me. They should all just STFU now.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
OMG. I wish I had read this before my last post. Rex is trying imo to defend the church. For one. And be some "sage" know it all adviser.

I forget who it was recently, I think Annie, that the whole family followed Lori around like to Hawaii and you name it and Charles paid for a ton of things, you got it. Like Lori was the family leader.

I recall like Summer and Janice's first interviews.

There is just so much.

I'm with you though. I tried to forgive, forget, when like Summer was upset over the kids.... I'm not so sure any longer. I think she was but over other things perhaps as well...

I've been back and forth on Colby too. But I feel better about him these days but I never ever fall for everything with this family...

It can be kind of hard to talk about without talking about the religion too.

I guess I am going to leave it at that I'm not going into blind trust with any of them. And even Brandon and others have talked about how generous Charles was with money and things. Was Lori their little sexy golden girl to get Charles and husbands to fund the entire family? It bears thinking about.

I know how crazy that sounds to most of us who would never do such or think like such.

I need to shut up but I am going to end with my trust with anyone in that family is not solid. And the ones I would give more trust to IF I do are the ones that left the religion and the family. Even they though are trying to do channels.

Mind boggling.

I've probably said too much. Just past trusting some types in this lifetime I guess.

Janice lied about talking to JJ on the phone remember? He was already dead by then.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

Oneofthem said:
Call me skeptical. Charles paid for the whole family’s trips to Hawaii. Paid their cell phone bills, Gave them money. They saw him in real life but yet Sommer thought he might hurt his son? That family let Lori lead them around. They were improper in their interactions. And there is something about Rex. When they first began their podcast, about a year or two ago, anyway Rex defended his brother and that family. He and Adam always careful not to say anything bad about them. I never watched after that.

Good morning Skeptical and welcome. Beware of the emu on here.

Really good points BTW.

Tresir · Apr 24, 2025

Oneofthem said:
Yes the legal papers were posted on another site. You can view them without logging on. I was on my way to bed and thought to check it.

Oh sneaky and skeptical. I do that too LOL. I'm banned twice on that "other" site. Will have to check it out.

RoundPeg · Apr 24, 2025

Something said upthread, now I can't find it.

I'm sure there is a court order giving MBP visitation.

GrandmaBear · Apr 24, 2025

Tresir said:
Other trials LISK hopefully?

i don't know, it sounded like they are going to try to look at the family side or some such, like try to talk i guess in that case it would be Asa, etc. and then break that down or something, and if they won't talk to them they are going to take their public words if there are any, Rex called it "fair game" meaning it isn't doing anything wrong if public, and then I guess dissect it or counsel people. Sounded kind of odd to me honestly. Said something about, I think, doing both what Adam likes and what Rex likes to do. So while it will be crime I guess, I' not sure that they will actually be covering the crime per se. I guess we will see. No idea if LISK would be one they would choose.

Kimster · Apr 24, 2025

Tresir said:
Janice lied about talking to JJ on the phone remember? He was already dead by then.

Oh yeah! I wish somebody would ask Adam that question. Why did his mom do that?

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