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Australia CLEO SMITH: Missing from Blowholes Campground, Carnarvon, WA - 16 Oct 2021 - Age 4 *Found Alive**GUILTY PLEA*

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Search continues for missing girl in WA​

The disappearance of a four-year-old girl from a WA campsite is "extremely concerning" and police say a search has yet to turn up any answers.

Cleo Smith was last seen about 1.30am on Saturday at the Blowholes campsite on the coast at Macleod, north of Carnarvon.

An air, land and sea search resumed on Sunday morning with help from the SES and community volunteers.

The girl was wearing a pink one-piece sleepsuit with a blue and yellow pattern when she was last seen.


Earlier, Ms Smith posted that she had woken at 6am on Saturday to find her daughter wasn't in their shared tent.

She described Cleo's disappearance as "very very unusual".

WA police Inspector Jon Munday said the family arrived in the area late on Friday afternoon.

Insp Munday said he was "fairly confident" police were able to get the identities of all the people who were in the campsite at the time she disappeared, as well as gathering intelligence from dashcams and CCTV cameras in the vicinity to "paint a picture of who was around here".

"We are greatly concerned for the safety of Cleo and we aren't leaving anything to chance or ruling anything out," Insp Munday said early on Sunday afternoon.

"We are going as hard as we can for as long as we can."

Insp Munday said detectives from Perth and Geraldton had arrived at the search area and despite the harsh environment, the weather was so far "conducive to someone surviving exposure to the elements", but there were still no answers or major breakthroughs in the search.


MEDIA - CLEO SMITH: Missing from Blowholes Campground, Carnarvon, WA since 16 Oct 2021 - Age 4
 
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I finally got to see the parents' interview. Nothing really sent up any alarms or gave me any bad feeling although I found it very, I don't have the word for it, on point I guess... Not scattered, no hysterics, following the flow, offering nothing extra really...

He didn't have a lot to say but that's not unusual either and he did speak up a few times...

I think where it stands out for me is that it doesn't stand out as an interview of parents with a missing child... It just is... No big red flags raised but also no real reason to be assured it was all as they said.

There were a few little things that may mean nothing... She talked as if they both were up after Cleo woke up and then went back to sleep and that Cleo did... That part seemed just a bit hesitant or not coming out smoothly almost as if they did not get right immediately back to sleep nor maybe did Cleo as it is kind of "danced" around imo... Do children wake up for a sip of water and go right back to sleep? Not in my experience.

It appears the younger child is theirs the way it sounds. I noted that she said they basically grew up right where they are/camped... Both of them? She also referred to their "family" and not "families"... It's nothing that I am saying means anything, just trying to determine the family dynamics.... It would imply to me I guess that they have known each other their entire lives. No red flag just informational. Clearly they have not been together for too many years though as Cleo was four and he was not her father. Let's be honest, right there, that would be looked at... Could one have left the tent while the other parent was asleep?

The one remark of "when she left, she was wearing".... stood out to me... "She left" seems like a very odd choice of words... Again, not saying it means anything, she may not want to say when "taken", etc. because the thought would be too overwhelming.. But it so sounds like the child herself made the decision to leave... Just found it a bit odd.

She looked right at her partner when they asked what type of activities they do camping... That too seemed a bit hesitant, thinking and jumped to fishing, then she said "camping"... Mentioned Cleo not liking the ocean but liked pools... He came up with sand castles... We all know they are not going to do too much with a baby along with or at least might have to do it separately.

So all of this I'm typing is just dribble, nothing is really stand out. However, that's what bothers me I think... There are no real highs or lows in the interview, it just rolls along with little deviation from questions or answers... That doesn't mean anything and she shows a bit of emotion here and there, he doesn't but again, not entirely unusual... There is however no anger, frustration, self blame... Again, doesn't mean anything at all, not accusing them, it's just kind of an interview that stands out in no real way. Which it doesn't need to but when one compares it to some others.... Like Gannon Stauch's mom, prime example...

The things that hang me up is that things just don't add up... The "story" and few facts hang me up more than does anything they did or didn't do in the interview... In the interview, at minimum I think things are omitted... Were they partying? Were they in the tent all night? Both of them? Cleo never had to go to the bathroom on waking? Did she wake up and go into their room asking for water or did she cry or yell from the other room and they heard her and if so, did she wake the baby up?

It sounded as if she was put to bed before the baby, like she ate and then the baby was fed and put down and then at some point they went to bed. She said they were up but never said doing what. Did I catch that right?

I want it in every case so it's nothing against them, I want to hear the last time they can find someone else saw this child. To me this information is blatantly missing. When did her bio dad last see her? Grandma? Anyone. No one at the campground did, that was said in an article above... It mentions "believing" the parents or no reason to doubt them and some "technologic" evidence whatever that means...
 
I finally got to see the parents' interview. Nothing really sent up any alarms or gave me any bad feeling although I found it very, I don't have the word for it, on point I guess... Not scattered, no hysterics, following the flow, offering nothing extra really...

He didn't have a lot to say but that's not unusual either and he did speak up a few times...

I think where it stands out for me is that it doesn't stand out as an interview of parents with a missing child... It just is... No big red flags raised but also no real reason to be assured it was all as they said.

There were a few little things that may mean nothing... She talked as if they both were up after Cleo woke up and then went back to sleep and that Cleo did... That part seemed just a bit hesitant or not coming out smoothly almost as if they did not get right immediately back to sleep nor maybe did Cleo as it is kind of "danced" around imo... Do children wake up for a sip of water and go right back to sleep? Not in my experience.

It appears the younger child is theirs the way it sounds. I noted that she said they basically grew up right where they are/camped... Both of them? She also referred to their "family" and not "families"... It's nothing that I am saying means anything, just trying to determine the family dynamics.... It would imply to me I guess that they have known each other their entire lives. No red flag just informational. Clearly they have not been together for too many years though as Cleo was four and he was not her father. Let's be honest, right there, that would be looked at... Could one have left the tent while the other parent was asleep?

The one remark of "when she left, she was wearing".... stood out to me... "She left" seems like a very odd choice of words... Again, not saying it means anything, she may not want to say when "taken", etc. because the thought would be too overwhelming.. But it so sounds like the child herself made the decision to leave... Just found it a bit odd.

She looked right at her partner when they asked what type of activities they do camping... That too seemed a bit hesitant, thinking and jumped to fishing, then she said "camping"... Mentioned Cleo not liking the ocean but liked pools... He came up with sand castles... We all know they are not going to do too much with a baby along with or at least might have to do it separately.

So all of this I'm typing is just dribble, nothing is really stand out. However, that's what bothers me I think... There are no real highs or lows in the interview, it just rolls along with little deviation from questions or answers... That doesn't mean anything and she shows a bit of emotion here and there, he doesn't but again, not entirely unusual... There is however no anger, frustration, self blame... Again, doesn't mean anything at all, not accusing them, it's just kind of an interview that stands out in no real way. Which it doesn't need to but when one compares it to some others.... Like Gannon Stauch's mom, prime example...

The things that hang me up is that things just don't add up... The "story" and few facts hang me up more than does anything they did or didn't do in the interview... In the interview, at minimum I think things are omitted... Were they partying? Were they in the tent all night? Both of them? Cleo never had to go to the bathroom on waking? Did she wake up and go into their room asking for water or did she cry or yell from the other room and they heard her and if so, did she wake the baby up?

It sounded as if she was put to bed before the baby, like she ate and then the baby was fed and put down and then at some point they went to bed. She said they were up but never said doing what. Did I catch that right?

I want it in every case so it's nothing against them, I want to hear the last time they can find someone else saw this child. To me this information is blatantly missing. When did her bio dad last see her? Grandma? Anyone. No one at the campground did, that was said in an article above... It mentions "believing" the parents or no reason to doubt them and some "technologic" evidence whatever that means...
I'm leaning to partying of some nature, staying up late and possibly sleeping off the partying. If the kids were in an area that was easily visible and parents were not, I could see somebody carefully unzipping and maybe pulling her out by the sleeping bag, especially since it appears to be one of the mummy style kind.

I'm just seeing a series of mistakes by the parents that might have allowed this to happen at the moment, but subject to change.
 
I'm leaning to partying of some nature, staying up late and possibly sleeping off the partying. If the kids were in an area that was easily visible and parents were not, I could see somebody carefully unzipping and maybe pulling her out by the sleeping bag, especially since it appears to be one of the mummy style kind.

I'm just seeing a series of mistakes by the parents that might have allowed this to happen at the moment, but subject to change.
I have trouble in almost all of these cases that generally, it isn't an abduction... Of course abduction is always possible but there has to be an adductor around, who sees an opportunity and decides to act on it and all of those things need to come together along with mistakes by parents on the same night, etc... It is just always so unlikely to me... It isn't that I suspect all parents or have reason to in each case necessarily, it's just usually the case... Someone close to home... If someone came in that tent, they were taking a huge chance and did they go camping just intending to do that that day and just lucked out...?

There are no real huge red flags the parents give me but not a thing about them really swayed me in their favor either... It is the story that just doesn't add up, sit right, etc...

I'm very intentionally not accusing as these may well be grieving parents but I just think the odds are this story is not the truth... I agree with you there could have been partying, staying up late, etc. but what goes along with that can be frustration, lack of sleep and a temper on getting up with a child who perhaps had an issue or something... I think that fits together a whole lot better than some abductor decided to unzip a tent with two adults inside it... Possible? Sure. Likely? I don't think so. Jmo though.
 

Cleo Smith vanished from her family's tent at Blowholes campsite in Macleod, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of the town of Carnarvon, in the early hours of Saturday morning, according to Western Australian Police.

Since then, search teams have been scouring rough terrain and nearby sea, but so far they have found no sign of the child or her black and red sleeping bag.

Police now believe she was abducted.

"Given the information now that we've gleaned from the scene, the fact that the search has gone on for this period of time and we haven't been able to locate her... that leads us to believe that she was taken from the tent," Western Australia Police Major Crime Division Superintendent Rod Wilde said in a press conference Thursday.

"We'd imagined that we would have been able to locate her given the amount of resources and the detailed search that's taken place."
 
Law enforcement is certainly behaving as if they believe this is an abduction.
We know it's rare. So rare that our minds will believe any other story other than abduction first.
BUT, we also know, it DOES happen. Polly Klaas. Elizabeth Smart. Both confirmed taken from their home under "impossible" circumstances that certainly no one would try...
 
Law enforcement is certainly behaving as if they believe this is an abduction.
We know it's rare. So rare that our minds will believe any other story other than abduction first.
BUT, we also know, it DOES happen. Polly Klaas. Elizabeth Smart. Both confirmed taken from their home under "impossible" circumstances that certainly no one would try...
Yes, it happens... Still pretty uncommon and those girls were in homes, not tents but yes, it happens...

I don't know... I am seeing some things imo and reading between the lines in LE remarks... I see a lot of things by LE saying no reason not to believe the parents while pointing out odd things like sleeping bag missing, no one else having seen Cleo that night, the parents saying the door was open too high for her to have done it, etc.... All of these things come from the parents... And they do keep pointing them out... All while saying see no reason to disbelieve...

And so now they/LE are saying thinking its an abduction because they have found no sign of her around the campground, etc. and searching. Imo, what else are they going to say? I don't put much stock in that.

Wait and see I guess is all one can do here and perhaps we will never know...
 
I have trouble in almost all of these cases that generally, it isn't an abduction... Of course abduction is always possible but there has to be an adductor around, who sees an opportunity and decides to act on it and all of those things need to come together along with mistakes by parents on the same night, etc... It is just always so unlikely to me... It isn't that I suspect all parents or have reason to in each case necessarily, it's just usually the case... Someone close to home... If someone came in that tent, they were taking a huge chance and did they go camping just intending to do that that day and just lucked out...?

There are no real huge red flags the parents give me but not a thing about them really swayed me in their favor either... It is the story that just doesn't add up, sit right, etc...

I'm very intentionally not accusing as these may well be grieving parents but I just think the odds are this story is not the truth... I agree with you there could have been partying, staying up late, etc. but what goes along with that can be frustration, lack of sleep and a temper on getting up with a child who perhaps had an issue or something... I think that fits together a whole lot better than some abductor decided to unzip a tent with two adults inside it... Possible? Sure. Likely? I don't think so. Jmo though.
but when would they have done anything with her to get her out of the area so fast and unseen and unnoticed? I am not saying it couldn't happen though by any means.
 
but when would they have done anything with her to get her out of the area so fast and unseen and unnoticed? I am not saying it couldn't happen though by any means.
First, that's if she was there at the campground. There so far is no proof of that to Joe Public/us, no one else saw her they said.

Aside from that, they talk about a car squealing out (which seems to be discounted or accounted for per LE in an article), did these parents not come in a vehicle? I'm not saying they squealed out, just that they had a vehicle too I imagine. For that matter, the parents could have been at a roadhouse, or one could have or in the tent, anyone could have been anywhere... There is no independent verification of anything that we know of...

I don't know. That would be the question wouldn't it, but the thing is ANYONE who took her had to get her out of there, whether a stranger, a parent, etc. Anything an abductor could do so could a parent... The only other alternative is she wandered off... A long way apparently...
 
Law enforcement is certainly behaving as if they believe this is an abduction.
We know it's rare. So rare that our minds will believe any other story other than abduction first.
BUT, we also know, it DOES happen. Polly Klaas. Elizabeth Smart. Both confirmed taken from their home under "impossible" circumstances that certainly no one would try...
especially if it was obvious that they parents were either not in sight or obviously under the influence. Somebody could have easily been watching. The fact that they haven's seen any trace of her brightly colored pj's or the sleeping bag says she is probably not near there since anything of color would stand out easily there. Maybe even the parents forgot to zip up the tent when they went to bed. That surely would have made it easier for anything to happen, but if she had wandered, she wouldn't have dragged that sleeping bag far, which is what leads me to believe that just possibly somebody has it and possibly her, too.
 
I finally got to see the parents' interview. Nothing really sent up any alarms or gave me any bad feeling although I found it very, I don't have the word for it, on point I guess... Not scattered, no hysterics, following the flow, offering nothing extra really...

He didn't have a lot to say but that's not unusual either and he did speak up a few times...

I think where it stands out for me is that it doesn't stand out as an interview of parents with a missing child... It just is... No big red flags raised but also no real reason to be assured it was all as they said.

There were a few little things that may mean nothing... She talked as if they both were up after Cleo woke up and then went back to sleep and that Cleo did... That part seemed just a bit hesitant or not coming out smoothly almost as if they did not get right immediately back to sleep nor maybe did Cleo as it is kind of "danced" around imo... Do children wake up for a sip of water and go right back to sleep? Not in my experience.

It appears the younger child is theirs the way it sounds. I noted that she said they basically grew up right where they are/camped... Both of them? She also referred to their "family" and not "families"... It's nothing that I am saying means anything, just trying to determine the family dynamics.... It would imply to me I guess that they have known each other their entire lives. No red flag just informational. Clearly they have not been together for too many years though as Cleo was four and he was not her father. Let's be honest, right there, that would be looked at... Could one have left the tent while the other parent was asleep?

The one remark of "when she left, she was wearing".... stood out to me... "She left" seems like a very odd choice of words... Again, not saying it means anything, she may not want to say when "taken", etc. because the thought would be too overwhelming.. But it so sounds like the child herself made the decision to leave... Just found it a bit odd.

She looked right at her partner when they asked what type of activities they do camping... That too seemed a bit hesitant, thinking and jumped to fishing, then she said "camping"... Mentioned Cleo not liking the ocean but liked pools... He came up with sand castles... We all know they are not going to do too much with a baby along with or at least might have to do it separately.

So all of this I'm typing is just dribble, nothing is really stand out. However, that's what bothers me I think... There are no real highs or lows in the interview, it just rolls along with little deviation from questions or answers... That doesn't mean anything and she shows a bit of emotion here and there, he doesn't but again, not entirely unusual... There is however no anger, frustration, self blame... Again, doesn't mean anything at all, not accusing them, it's just kind of an interview that stands out in no real way. Which it doesn't need to but when one compares it to some others.... Like Gannon Stauch's mom, prime example...

The things that hang me up is that things just don't add up... The "story" and few facts hang me up more than does anything they did or didn't do in the interview... In the interview, at minimum I think things are omitted... Were they partying? Were they in the tent all night? Both of them? Cleo never had to go to the bathroom on waking? Did she wake up and go into their room asking for water or did she cry or yell from the other room and they heard her and if so, did she wake the baby up?

It sounded as if she was put to bed before the baby, like she ate and then the baby was fed and put down and then at some point they went to bed. She said they were up but never said doing what. Did I catch that right?

I want it in every case so it's nothing against them, I want to hear the last time they can find someone else saw this child. To me this information is blatantly missing. When did her bio dad last see her? Grandma? Anyone. No one at the campground did, that was said in an article above... It mentions "believing" the parents or no reason to doubt them and some "technologic" evidence whatever that means...
We don't know that bio dad was ever really in her life. For all we know, mom might have hooked up with step dad when she was pregnant with Cleo, maybe even before.

We also have to take into account that this is with an Australian dialect. What we see as strange wording, might be common there. I've seen that in many cases where they are English speakers, but the dialect is different by far.
 
First, that's if she was there at the campground. There so far is no proof of that to Joe Public/us, no one else saw her they said.

Aside from that, they talk about a car squealing out (which seems to be discounted or accounted for per LE in an article), did these parents not come in a vehicle? I'm not saying they squealed out, just that they had a vehicle too I imagine. For that matter, the parents could have been at a roadhouse, or one could have or in the tent, anyone could have been anywhere... There is no independent verification of anything that we know of...

I don't know. That would be the question wouldn't it, but the thing is ANYONE who took her had to get her out of there, whether a stranger, a parent, etc. Anything an abductor could do so could a parent... The only other alternative is she wandered off... A long way apparently...
one of the articles is stating that they have evidence that she was there. The way it was worded, it sounded like digital evidence and I took it as probably pictures.
 
We don't know that bio dad was ever really in her life. For all we know, mom might have hooked up with step dad when she was pregnant with Cleo, maybe even before.

We also have to take into account that this is with an Australian dialect. What we see as strange wording, might be common there. I've seen that in many cases where they are English speakers, but the dialect is different by far.
Just saying we don't know anything and we don't. Nothing but what the parents have said.

Likewise, her bio dad could be custodial and this couple could have had Cleo just for a weekend. That's how little know. At least that I have seen.
 
one of the articles is stating that they have evidence that she was there. The way it was worded, it sounded like digital evidence and I took it as probably pictures.
"tecnologic" whatever that means. In that same mention of it, they said no reason to doubt parents if I recall... They keep saying that...

If she was there, she is now missing, from their tent. Logically one knows they are on the radar of LE as much as any stranger. There are only a couple of possibilities... Stranger, known person, child left tent and wandered off. That's all I can think of.
 

Land search scaled back for missing WA girl Cleo Smith​

The land search for missing four-year-old Cleo Smith has been scaled back, almost a week after she disappeared from a remote Western Australian campsite.

Detectives are now focused on searching for a possible kidnapper, appealing for dashcam and security footage within a 1000-kilometre radius of the Blowholes campsite.

Police are specifically looking for video taken between 6pm last Friday and 6pm on Sunday, with a particular interest in motels, service stations, children's clothing stores, pharmacies and camping stores.


"We have been searching that area now for almost a week, and unfortunately that hasn't led us anywhere, so we haven't found Cleo in an extensive search," Superintendent Wilde said.

"So that, gathered with some of the evidence that we have gained from the tent and the surrounds there, has led us to believe that possibly someone else was involved in her disappearance."
 

Police seek CCTV footage within 1000km of campsite where Cleo Smith vanished​

Surveillance footage from motels and children’s clothing stores is being sought by West Australian police investigating the disappearance of four-year-old Cleo Smith.

A land search around the campsite from which she went missing has concluded as authorities focus their attention on a criminal probe into Cleo’s suspected abduction.

Detectives believe she was taken from her family’s tent at the popular Blowholes site, on WA’s northwest coast, in the early hours of Saturday morning.

Police have also launched a fresh appeal for any dashcam or CCTV footage recorded last weekend within a 1000km radius of the Blowholes campsite but only as far south as Lancelin.

Detectives are “particularly interested” in motel check-in and communal areas, service stations, fast food outlets and bakeries, truck stops and free camping areas, children’s clothing stores, pharmacies and cosmetic stores, and camping stores.
 

Cleo Smith’s best friend issues heartbreaking plea as search enters its EIGHTH day​

The nationwide search for missing four-year-old Cleo Smith had a new appeal overnight from a little girl who ‘just wants her best friend back’.

The appeal was from Cleo’s heartbroken best friend, Naya.

“I still miss her a lot now she’s lost,” Naya told 7NEWS

“I want her to come back.

“She needs to come home because she needs to be with her family.”

The search for Cleo Smith entered its eighth day on Saturday as police shift focus away from the campsite near the Blowholes, where she was last seen, after police conceded it was likely she was taken.

Naya also drew a picture of her best friend Cleo asking if anyone recognises her to please bring her home.

The picture also had a handwritten note addressed to her best friend Cleo:

“Dear Cleo, can you please come back for a little while and come to my nan’s. I miss you, I hope you are alright. Love, Naya.”

Naya also showed 7NEWS just much she misses her best friend.

“I miss her this much,” she said, with arms outstretched.
 
Her little friend is so sweet and it's heartbreaking what she says about missing her. Perhaps I am getting a bit too nervous and cynical, but considering what's happened, I wouldn't put that little girl on TV myself. One little girl possibly abducted already with no clue who did it, was it friend, foe, stranger? Were they followed? Watched? Random? Etc. I wouldn't show the face of another little girl who is her friend and likely lives in the same area. Who knows what type of sick individual did this or is watching? Just my opinion.
 
I'm not advocating for a certain scenario here (other than I believe she did NOT leave the tent on her own), but I really have seen this.
I've mentioned my brother's set-up before. Him and fiancé in one "room", middle room (with main entrances) open / used for storing bags, boys in the other side "room". I've also gone camping with a couple who set up their baby's crib in one room of a two-room tent, and they slept in the other room. I've also known people who have given their children their own small child-sized tents to sleep in (obviously not THIS young, but maybe around 7-8.)
Cleo's family had an 8-person tent with multiple rooms and multiple entries. I wouldn't find anything many setups odd...

HOWEVER! This setup mentioned below does seem odd to me, if this is stated correctly. If Cleo and baby were sleeping in the main, front-facing area and the parents were the ones off in the side room, that is a bit odd to me.

The family tent had several entry points that could be unzipped, with the one found open being at the front-facing area of the tent where the little girl had been sleeping.



Could someone have watched the family set up and realized the children were in the main/front room? Still seems AWFULLY risky to take that chance, unless they saw things that made them believe the parents would not hear them.
We used to go camping and let the boys sleep in their own tents, but not until they were old enough to set the tent up themselves. The way the world is now, I probably wouldn’t do it again.
 

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