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CA ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA - 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4 *GUILTY* (12 Viewers)

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Do we know which line item they used to pay the reward? If it was out of the privately owned police budget, that might make more sense.
 
Do we know which line item they used to pay the reward? If it was out of the privately owned police budget, that might make more sense.
They haven't had to pay the reward. I think that's why the councilmember said: “First of all, the city doesn’t have that kind of money to pay out $50,000 on a whim,” Creighton said. “Granted it may never get paid out, but let’s say tomorrow it comes up, where’s the city going to pull $50,000?”
 
They haven't had to pay the reward. I think that's why the councilmember said: “First of all, the city doesn’t have that kind of money to pay out $50,000 on a whim,” Creighton said. “Granted it may never get paid out, but let’s say tomorrow it comes up, where’s the city going to pull $50,000?”
That would have been my first question. As a matter of fact, our agenda packets have a requirement to show the councilors exactly where expenditures are coming from, and the balance of the line item if the amount gets approved.
 
Here's 3 pages regarding a council policy on rewards. I found some minutes.
This is super interesting. So it’s part of the police department function, if I’m reading this right. It’s hard to see on my phone and I’ll look at it again later when I can get a better look at it. I didn’t see a date on those minutes either. Did they create a new ordinance for the future? Like I said, I’ll probably figure this out when I can see it better.
 

Two missing boys: Chief of Police in California City gives new information on investigation​

It’s been exactly 30 days since 3-year-old Orson and 4-year-old Orrin West were reported missing in California City. Chief of Police Jon Walker spoke with 17News about the adoptive parents, where the boys were last seen, and dispelled some rumors. He says his department’s 13 officers are following every tip they receive.

“We’ve questioned multiple people we’ve searched multiple places,” said Jon Walker, Chief of Police in California City. “We’re following up on almost every clue or tip that we get. So at this point we have nothing that actually shows us or proves what happened to the boys or where they’re at.”

The last people who reportedly saw the two boys were their adoptive parents – Trezell and Jacqueline West. But Chief Walker says it’s not likely the boys just walked out of the house and went missing on their own.

“Someone out there knows something, they know where these boys are what’s happened to these boys, yes there has to be someone.”

He says the police are still in contact with the adoptive parents, who have been cooperative throughout the investigation. He also confirmed that they are no longer in their home, and are now staying in Bakersfield.

“They’ve been back a couple of times to either take items out or whatever,” Walker said. “But we spot check it quite often and we don’t see a lot of activity in the house.”

He says there’s no possibility the boys, or the boys’ bodies, are in the house.

“We’ve looked everywhere possible in a house we could possibly look,” Walker said. “We brought in search dogs, cadaver dogs, any dog you can think of has been in that house and has not had any kids anywhere in the house.”

There’s still plenty of evidence and security footage to go through. So far, they’ve found nothing significant. Despite this, he says this case is far from getting cold.
 
Since he said they are still looking at surveillance footage, I’m speculating they are trying to determine when these boys were last seen. And I mean determined by some other means than the adoptive parents.
I suspect too they are using it for any time they see the vehicle and trying to trace movements, locations, even getting gas, etc. I mean before the date of reported disappearance of the boys... Getting gas, heading out of town. I suspect some of it may also be from Bakersfield. Just guessing.
 
I suspect too they are using it for any time they see the vehicle and trying to trace movements, locations, even getting gas, etc. I mean before the date of reported disappearance of the boys... Getting gas, heading out of town. I suspect some of it may also be from Bakersfield. Just guessing.
I agree with you completely. I think they are really busy behind the scenes.
 

Two missing boys: Chief of Police in California City gives new information on investigation​

It’s been exactly 30 days since 3-year-old Orson and 4-year-old Orrin West were reported missing in California City. Chief of Police Jon Walker spoke with 17News about the adoptive parents, where the boys were last seen, and dispelled some rumors. He says his department’s 13 officers are following every tip they receive.

“We’ve questioned multiple people we’ve searched multiple places,” said Jon Walker, Chief of Police in California City. “We’re following up on almost every clue or tip that we get. So at this point we have nothing that actually shows us or proves what happened to the boys or where they’re at.”

The last people who reportedly saw the two boys were their adoptive parents – Trezell and Jacqueline West. But Chief Walker says it’s not likely the boys just walked out of the house and went missing on their own.

“Someone out there knows something, they know where these boys are what’s happened to these boys, yes there has to be someone.”

He says the police are still in contact with the adoptive parents, who have been cooperative throughout the investigation. He also confirmed that they are no longer in their home, and are now staying in Bakersfield.

“They’ve been back a couple of times to either take items out or whatever,” Walker said. “But we spot check it quite often and we don’t see a lot of activity in the house.”

He says there’s no possibility the boys, or the boys’ bodies, are in the house.

“We’ve looked everywhere possible in a house we could possibly look,” Walker said. “We brought in search dogs, cadaver dogs, any dog you can think of has been in that house and has not had any kids anywhere in the house.”

There’s still plenty of evidence and security footage to go through. So far, they’ve found nothing significant. Despite this, he says this case is far from getting cold.
Hello everyone....
I have a question about the dogs mentioned in this statement. If they had "any dog we could think of" in that house, there must have been a tracking dog(s) so where did the dog(s) track to? And, another question...if the dog(s) found no trace of the boys in or outside of the house, what articles of clothing was used for scent and just whom did the articles/items belong to? If whatever was used for scent didn't belong to the boys, it's no wonder the dogs found nothing.
 
Hello everyone....
I have a question about the dogs mentioned in this statement. If they had "any dog we could think of" in that house, there must have been a tracking dog(s) so where did the dog(s) track to? And, another question...if the dog(s) found no trace of the boys in or outside of the house, what articles of clothing was used for scent and just whom did the articles/items belong to? If whatever was used for scent didn't belong to the boys, it's no wonder the dogs found nothing.
Hi,

All I know is they claim the dogs got a scent in the home but nowhere else, nothing in the yard, etc. what I heard prior to this recent statement and I am fairly confident the chief said this. I think now he is just saying that if there had been more than a scent in the home, the various types of dogs and their search would have found the boys if they were in the home. So anyhow, I understand there was a scent picked up by a dog in the home but not a scent that could be tracked anywhere if I have it right.

Also, your question about who gave them the articles and who they belonged to is a good one and something questioned here and I have seen that question elsewhere too. How could they know for sure they were given items that belonged to those two boys?
 
Hi,

All I know is they claim the dogs got a scent in the home but nowhere else, nothing in the yard, etc. what I heard prior to this recent statement and I am fairly confident the chief said this. I think now he is just saying that if there had been more than a scent in the home, the various types of dogs and their search would have found the boys if they were in the home. So anyhow, I understand there was a scent picked up by a dog in the home but not a scent that could be tracked anywhere if I have it right.

Also, your question about who gave them the articles and who they belonged to is a good one and something questioned here and I have seen that question elsewhere too. How could they know for sure they were given items that belonged to those two boys?
Thanks for your response. I went back and again read everyones's posts and am now wondering most of all, why report them missing on that particular day? What was it that was about to happen that necessitated such an elaborate story? Were they about to have to account for those boys to someone in authority? Such an odd timing..right before Christmas. Even if the bio mom wanted to give them Christmas presents, they could have just refused.
 
Thanks for your response. I went back and again read everyones's posts and am now wondering most of all, why report them missing on that particular day? What was it that was about to happen that necessitated such an elaborate story? Were they about to have to account for those boys to someone in authority? Such an odd timing..right before Christmas. Even if the bio mom wanted to give them Christmas presents, they could have just refused.
No problem. This case has had me a bit obsessed.

That's a good question. Many wonder. Some think it was the bio mom (I don't). From what I understand that Christmas gift thing was the year before, but both years have been said by commenters elsewhere so there is a lot of confusion on some "facts" out there. Some think they were maybe going to receive a check-in by the agency or something but I seriously doubt that happens after adoption.

My own thought is could someone have called in for a welfare check, whether bio family or someone else? Or maybe they took the four other older kids to grandma's and grandma insisted on having the youngest two and they gave her some story of where they were and realized when they got home they had to come up with something for a story...? Could their other children have said something to someone...? I don't know how welfare checks work but if they had a phone call first from an agency or LE or a note on the door, they may have had some slight warning... Just thoughts.
 
No problem. This case has had me a bit obsessed.

That's a good question. Many wonder. Some think it was the bio mom (I don't). From what I understand that Christmas gift thing was the year before, but both years have been said by commenters elsewhere so there is a lot of confusion on some "facts" out there. Some think they were maybe going to receive a check-in by the agency or something but I seriously doubt that happens after adoption.

My own thought is could someone have called in for a welfare check, whether bio family or someone else? Or maybe they took the four other older kids to grandma's and grandma insisted on having the youngest two and they gave her some story of where they were and realized when they got home they had to come up with something for a story...? Could their other children have said something to someone...? I don't know how welfare checks work but if they had a phone call first from an agency or LE or a note on the door, they may have had some slight warning... Just thoughts.
I'm trying to follow the money. I'm linking (hopefully) something about assistance for adoptive parents in California. They could be enrolled in this program and it's possible they were receiving Social Security benefits also, as well as receiving the $600 per child stimulus twice. That would make it a little more profitable to adopt rather than foster as foster care can be ended by the state whenever. Maybe if they're in an assistance program there is a check and balance system set up to make sure they're still qualified.

California Subsidy Guide
 
I'm trying to follow the money. I'm linking (hopefully) something about assistance for adoptive parents in California. They could be enrolled in this program and it's possible they were receiving Social Security benefits also, as well as receiving the $600 per child stimulus twice. That would make it a little more profitable to adopt rather than foster as foster care can be ended by the state whenever. Maybe if they're in an assistance program there is a check and balance system set up to make sure they're still qualified.

California Subsidy Guide
I absolutely believe in this same logic. Who would benefit from this?

From a link in the pdf (ty!l) These adopters were receiving quite a monthly stipend for these two children. See excerpt below.

Why now? Are we missing a bigger piece to this puzzle?

For initial agreements signed on or after 1/1/17​

AgeRate
0-18+$1,037
 
There are people that are saying $1,000 per child and I wondered where they got it. It also was said they had four adopted children but then something a neighbor said has people wondering about that, more confusion, but that is what we initially heard and I think it is true.

I don't know what happened but I do think if money is motive rather than affection for the child it could be a lost temper or abuse or they quite simply thought they could keep anyone from realizing they were gone, couldn't handle them or did not want them. The adopted dad's describing them as rambunctious bothers a lot of people and it does me as well. The adopted parents were just odd and it seemed, emotionless. Of course this is speculation and jmo.
 
There are people that are saying $1,000 per child and I wondered where they got it. It also was said they had four adopted children but then something a neighbor said has people wondering about that, more confusion, but that is what we initially heard and I think it is true.

I don't know what happened but I do think if money is motive rather than affection for the child it could be a lost temper or abuse or they quite simply thought they could keep anyone from realizing they were gone, couldn't handle them or did not want them. The adopted dad's describing them as rambunctious bothers a lot of people and it does me as well. The adopted parents were just odd and it seemed, emotionless. Of course this is speculation and jmo.
IIRC 2 there are/were a total of 6 children; 2 biological & 4 adopted.

The lack of emotion from either adopter is a red flag, imo. The story told 'felt' rehearsed which is causing a lot of further questions that have yet to be answered.
 
IIRC 2 there are/were a total of 6 children; 2 biological & 4 adopted.

The lack of emotion from either adopter is a red flag, imo. The story told 'felt' rehearsed which is causing a lot of further questions that have yet to be answered.
Yeah, I believe the 6 as well. Some people were told four I gather by the parents and then there was a neighbor in Bakersfield who claimed two were foster and given back, leaving four BUT I thought she may have been talking about the grandmother. It was very confusing so I am choosing to stick with the original six we thought.

I agree. They put up red flags all over the place in that interview imo.
 

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