Portugal MADELEINE McCANN: Missing from Praia da Luz, Portugal - 3 May 2007 - Age 3 (6 Viewers)

Madeleine Beth McCann (born 12 May 2003) disappeared on the evening of 3 May 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment at a resort in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve region of Portugal. Her whereabouts remain unknown.[3] The Daily Telegraph described the disappearance as "the most heavily reported missing-person case in modern history".[4]

Madeleine was on holiday from the UK with her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann; her two-year-old twin siblings; and a group of family friends and their children. She and the twins had been left asleep at 20:30 in the ground-floor apartment, while the McCanns and friends dined in a restaurant 55 metres (180 ft) away.[5] The parents checked on the children throughout the evening, until Madeleine's mother discovered she was missing at 22:00.

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MADELEINE McCANN: Missing from Praia da Luz, Portugal - 3 May 2007 - Age 3

Madeleine Beth McCann (born 12 May 2003) disappeared on the evening of 3 May 2007 from her bed in a holiday apartment at a resort in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve region of Portugal. Her whereabouts remain unknown.[3]

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[Regina]

I'll find the bit in the book if i can and copy it in. Chapter 4, I think it is. Have you read his book? I have bolded the bit about the nose bleed.

MADELEINE SLEEPS BADLY
One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen. This referred to her sleep problems and made clear that she was waking several times in the night. The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.
The mother admits having taken some to Portugal. She insists though that there is no calming effect, its being composed solely of paracetamol, and that she did not give any of it to her daughter during the holiday. At the time of her disappearance, Madeleine was sleeping in the same room as the twins. The latter, in spite of the noise, the mother's screaming and the comings and goings, did not wake up, as if they had been given sedatives. Would there not be a link between that difficulty in falling asleep and Madeleine's tragic end?
Other than her sleep problems, it is possible that Madeleine suffered from an illness, a hypothesis that was never confirmed. Immediately after the discovery of traces of blood in the apartment, the mother, in the course of an interview with a Portuguese magazine, revealed that Madeleine had a nose bleed. But the bleeding could be associated with certain pathologies.
Her parents have always insisted that Madeleine was in good health. The medical files, requested several times from Great Britain were never sent to us. These could have been deciding factors. Why didn't we have access to them? We never knew the truth of the matter. It's deplorable that the British legal system could be quite so uncooperative in this type of situation. In the course of the investigation, a doctor pointed out to us that Madeleine had a mark in her eye, described by some as a coloboma of the iris, which can be associated with other disorders, for example cardiac insufficiency. In spite of repeated requests to the British Medical Association, we were never able to confirm that hypothesis, a simple photo not being sufficient to establish a medical diagnosis.​

No, nor will I ever read it.
I don't recall anything at all about sleep problems.

 

[Guess Who]

No, nor will I ever read it.
I don't recall anything at all about sleep problems.

Plus, most of us, children included, do not sleep well when traveling.

My complaint with the parents is still only them thinking it was ok to leave the children alone in a strange place and out of sight. I could possibly excuse them if their room was in plain view of where they were sitting, but they could not. Then we have them refusing the offer of a sitter service. I see no good excuse for any of that behavior and that is what I fear directly led to her disappearence.

Add that and IF she actually said she had sleep issues makes them leaving them alone in the room even more unexcusable.

 

[Guess Who]

It also makes me wonder if this was not the first time they did this to be so comfortable in their decision.

 

[Tresir]

No, nor will I ever read it.
I don't recall anything at all about sleep problems.

OK that's your prerogative but she said it in an interview not in a written source. But if you dont want to look at the source, then you can't really deny she said it.

The investigators also comment on the fact the twins never woke up, like they were sedated. The same excerpt above also mentions sedatives.

 

[Tresir]

I was watching Presidents Netanyahu and Trump's Knesset speeches today. So I havent had a chance to read more of the book yet but yesterday I also found out all three children were a result of IVF and for some of that time they lived in Amsterdam. Made me wonder if they had IVF in an Amsterdam clinic, or whether they used donated egg or sperm.

So I am learning a lot in a short time here.

 

[Regina]

It also makes me wonder if this was not the first time they did this to be so comfortable in their decision.

All of the parents were comfortable with it. As I recall, it's what they (and the other parents in their group) had done at least once before, once before meaning while they were on vacation and during dinner.

 

[Tresir]

Plus, most of us, children included, do not sleep well when traveling.

My complaint with the parents is still only them thinking it was ok to leave the children alone in a strange place and out of sight. I could possibly excuse them if their room was in plain view of where they were sitting, but they could not. Then we have them refusing the offer of a sitter service. I see no good excuse for any of that behavior and that is what I fear directly led to her disappearence.

Add that and IF she actually said she had sleep issues makes them leaving them alone in the room even more unexcusable.

Having read half of this detective book, they would also leave the kids with play activity and babysitting staff in the daytimes and just pick them up for lunch. It wasn't really a family holiday as such.

 

[Regina]

OK that's your prerogative but she said it in an interview not in a written source. But if you dont want to look at the source, then you cant really deny she said it.

The investigators also comment on the fact the twins never woke up, like they were sedated. The same excerpt above also mentions sedatives.

I beg your pardon, my source is Kate.

Re sedatives, Kate denies there was any use of any sedatives.

 

[Regina]

I was watching Presidents Netanyahu and Trump's Knesset speeches today. So I havent had a chance to read more of the book yet but yesterday I also found out all three children were a result of IVF and for some of that time they lived in Amsterdam. Made me wonder if they had IVF in an Amsterdam clinic, or whether they used donated egg or sperm.

So I am learning a lot in a short time here.

Neither was donated.

 

[Guess Who]

All of the parents were comfortable with it. As I recall, it's what they (and the other parents in their group) had done at least once before, once before meaning while they were on vacation and during dinner.

That definitely doesn't make it right though and for kids that young, it's child neglect. Period.

 

[Tresir]

I beg your pardon, my source is Kate.

Re sedatives, Kate denies there was any use of any sedatives.

Have you got a link for your source?

 

[Tresir]

Today in court. See link and below for the photo and artist sketches. They didn't copy into the article so I screenshot and inserted them at the bottom.

Madeleine McCann family 'stalker' left voicemail saying 'I won't give up'

Julia Wandelt, 24 and Karen Spragg, 61, of Caerau in Cardiff are both accused of stalking the family of missing Madeleine McCann

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Court sketch artist's impression of Julia and Karen

Rev Gladstone said he met Wandelt at a vigil last year to mark the anniversary of the disappearance.

Defendants Julia Wandelt and Karen Spragg at Leicester Crown Court(PA)“And we have a lantern we light to remind us and pray for Madeleine’s safe return. It’s to remember not just Madeleine, but all missing children."

Actual picture of Julia

Julie Wandelt is accused of stalking
10:57Kelly-Ann Kiernan

Kate's confidant on the stand​

The fifth day of the trial has begun in courtroom two at Leicester crown court.

Amelie in court​

A court sketch artist drew Maddie's sister Amelie while she was giving evidence via video-link.

Amelie McCann by court sketch artist Elizabeth Cook (PA)

 

[Regina]

That definitely doesn't make it right though and for kids that young, it's child neglect. Period.

I don't understand where you're coming from, I mean, you do understand that I'm not speaking to right or wrong, I'm merely sharing that from what I believe to be true, yeah, they were comfortable and yeah, they had done it before.

 

[Guess Who]

I don't understand where you're coming from, I mean, you do understand that I'm not speaking to right or wrong, I'm merely sharing that from what I believe to be true, yeah, they were comfortable and yeah, they had done it before.

my point was that it makes it even worse that they did it multiple times and were supposedly comfortable with it. That would make it multiple counts of child neglect. It should anyway because it was 3 very, very young children they left unattended in this one occasion.

 

[Regina]

Have you got a link for your source?

Everything I've said here today is what I recall from having read Kate's book.

 

[Tresir]

Everything I've said here today is what I recall from having read Kate's book.

Have you got a link to her book? Or what it is called or a publication date? I am going by MSM and detective statements.

 

[Regina]

my point was that it makes it even worse that they did it multiple times and were supposedly comfortable with it. That would make it multiple counts of child neglect. It should anyway because it was 3 very, very young children they left unattended in this one occasion.

My understanding is that all of the parents thought each checking in on the children (I forgot how often) was adequate, diligent.

 

[Tresir]

All of the parents were comfortable with it. As I recall, it's what they (and the other parents in their group) had done at least once before, once before meaning while they were on vacation and during dinner.

The last person who checked on Maddie and the twins only saw the twins then the next check was Kate and she was the one who alerted on Maddie missing but discovered the previous person only saw the twins so the checks clearly didn't work well.

 

[RoundPeg]

That definitely doesn't make it right though and for kids that young, it's child neglect. Period.

Totally agree. They admitted to drugging their children. Not cool.

Here's the problem with that. No one knows what happened to that little girl.

 

[Guess Who]

My understanding is that all of the parents thought each checking in on the children (I forgot how often) was adequate, diligent.

That still doesn't make it non neglect. It just makes more parents that should have been charged with neglect. It evidently was NOT diligent or she wouldn't have been lost in the first place.