Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *TRIAL IN PROGRESS*

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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Cousin Dupree said:
Interesting, what's making you change your mind?
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her mouth her demeanor inability to prove he was in the house. i dont know she knew she hit him if she did but if it occurred to her after her statements dont help
but being a dog trainer specifically bitework criminal apprehension training i've seen many many bad k9 and large dog bites
the injuries to johns arm and looking beat up and the behavior sneakiness and misconduct of all these officers really creates a ton of reasonable doubt
it's still possible he went in the house
it's still possible she didnt hit him at all
so i'm right in the middle... kinda leaning towards guilty but not totally there just yet
 
Takeitfromme said:
her mouth her demeanor inability to prove he was in the house. i dont know she knew she hit him if she did but if it occurred to her after her statements dont help
but being a dog trainer specifically bitework criminal apprehension training i've seen many many bad k9 and large dog bites
the injuries to johns arm and looking beat up and the behavior sneakiness and misconduct of all these officers really creates a ton of reasonable doubt
it's still possible he went in the house
it's still possible she didnt hit him at all
so i'm right in the middle... kinda leaning towards guilty but not totally there just yet
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TONS of reasonable doubt for me. They 100% did not investigate this as a possible murder and especially not as a murder of a fellow officer. Not one bit of normal protocol followed. I sure wouldn't want them to be in charge of investigating any kind of crime.
 
Tresir said:
She appears to be using the media as her voice because i bet she doesn't testify. She accused Jen Mcabe of lying. Yet the paramedic also heard her saying 'I hit him' too. So was he lying too? Are they all lying except her?Lo
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YES that is what I have always said! It isn't only the ones people think are crooked, and so on, far more HEARD her, EMT, etc.. And that's exactly what is said about their use of medial and GOOD D attys say they'd never let their client get on the media like that! Look how Lori Daybell for the first time ever managed to do some media things right before this last trial, exactly, they are trying to push their story without having to get on the witness stand. I can't believe people fall for this stuff, BUT want to respect all opinions of course. The entire story came later. And had to have different parts to make it all work.

I am never ever going to be on the page that she is innocent. And it is also sickening. I've said a number of things, over time, and I pop in and out. Just disgusted by it at times. To me, she is disgusting and has become more so as time has gone on.

No one is likely ever going to agree on this one, or all won't. And that's fine of course.

And I've never denied like Proctor isn't a pig etc. Does not make her innocent though.

I've watched a lot in both but last few days not caught up. This trial will not be like the first and Brennan was a good move. If I was more caught up I'd tell my prediction but don't like to do so without recent testimony and such which I have not watched. Juries of course can vary but I'll just say I don't think she is going free this time. Could be right, could be wrong. I dont have a problem if I'm either.

I've said before that I watched almost all of the pretrial hearings and this guy is prepared.

And at least for me, someone sitting there with how many attys. and her over the top Jackson guy, it wouldn't win me over, the facts would.

I have my own opinion of what happened that night, but it doesn't leave her innocent whatsoever.
 
Takeitfromme said:
her mouth her demeanor inability to prove he was in the house. i dont know she knew she hit him if she did but if it occurred to her after her statements dont help
but being a dog trainer specifically bitework criminal apprehension training i've seen many many bad k9 and large dog bites
the injuries to johns arm and looking beat up and the behavior sneakiness and misconduct of all these officers really creates a ton of reasonable doubt
it's still possible he went in the house
it's still possible she didnt hit him at all
so i'm right in the middle... kinda leaning towards guilty but not totally there just yet
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the entire story came later and that's the biggest tell to me, one of many.

and she's an idiot to get on tv and stuff but has done so.

and i can't help but say her smirkiness and her lack of concern doesn't help her and never has. lack of concern for him, his family, you name it.

i don't deny the investigation couldn't have went better, it could have for sure. Never have denied that.

I see a ton of people who thought her possibly innocent turning the other way, even before this retrial.

Personally I feel both sides are too stubborn. I don't think that's how it started out right after he was found though...

Jmo.
 
who is actually listening to testimony and not listening to blips of it on some recap? which believe me I have had to do at times in life too, but it is NOT the same. Not EVEN close. Catching up or trying to a bit here but I recall the last trial and almost no one seemed to be listening to the actual testimony and all of it. and it gives a very different perspective than the whole sensational story trying to be pushed. i do need to catch up myself but i usually do go back and watch if recorded, all the witnesses.

i've stayed pretty abreast of it until now. I watched or listened to just about every single pretrial hearing. I cant always of course but just saying if any opinions come from news blips, well LOL. Just saying....

Delphi would be a great example.... Go find someone responsible at least.

anyhow, i admit a bit behind, just seen it all before.

and Brennan knows his sh*t, I can tell all that from the pretrial hearings.
 
Guess Who said:
TONS of reasonable doubt for me. They 100% did not investigate this as a possible murder and especially not as a murder of a fellow officer. Not one bit of normal protocol followed. I sure wouldn't want them to be in charge of investigating any kind of crime.
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I can agree with some and not on some. How much have you actually watched? Seems to me if I recall in the first trial, little, and I get that, I have been where I can too but if I can I always try to.

The reason imo for a not perfect investigation as every single person was partying basically. LE, higher ups some, gfs of cops, you name it. Makes perfect sense to me.

I think you said to me a few days back (sorry not been on solidly lately) they weren't friends but who the F did KR go calling?? FOR HELP? I mean if she other friends, could have called them, or anyone, a relative, you name it.... I did it, I did it. You think like the EMT was crooked??

I watched the first two full days of testimony and I watched all the pretrial stuff. And I'm a bit doubtful most did honestly.

I agree with some, we agree on like good ol' boy clubs and that's exactly imo what part of what happened here was, but I think KR thought she was part of that circle, for a little bit anyhow.

She knew EXACTLY where he was. I guess you could doubt that testimony....

I would agree with you on yeah, they do raise reasonable doubt and it was not a perfect investigation. I do. I agree on that.

Going to depend on the jury and most make the right decisions imo. And of course the cases presented. And they also compromise a lot.

Her and the D's story to me is absolutely ridiculous. Totally ridiculous and it came after. A bit later..... And then they had to explain and come up with the dog bite.

I need to catch up though and I watch testimony when I can. Maybe the jury doesn't know about all the D's BS but boy I sure saw it at pretrials and such.

They have used media, used YT (which I know you don't like) and you name it to push a narrative. Tomorrow MAYBE I will get a chance to catch up on testimony.

I watched for one (of many) the whole testimony of the victim's mom on the stand, and others.

I think both sides are a bit too stubborn but I guess it's a do or die this time around....

And if things go right, Jackson should be disbarred after trial.

Jmho.
 
Takeitfromme said:
This is a disaster of a case..... and a joke of a case
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It really is. I would say that more but in the same breath there is a victim. So I don't say it because I am not going to ignore the fact he had a family.

But it so overblown and over the top.

And for me, it absolutely disgusts me that neither side can just not go nuts in each of their own directions if that makes any sense. And again hto go over the top. She can't take a single lump and they feel they can prove a highest thing.

But for me--she sickens me to DEATH. So does her team. Don't know if you saw some of the pretrial hearings but if I get time one day boy could I share a bit about them. That's what most or jurors hopefully and should not ever know of... But they were televised where we could see them....
 
Guess Who said:
What a joke of LE and The Commonwealth.
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I agree they sure didnt do perfect but KR is a joke too. This case should not be even close to the most interesting one--but there WAS a victim and he HAS a family.

I think in a previous post I asked how much testimony you've watched in either trial or pretrial hearings?

And said i can't always do it either but it changes opinions let me tell ya when not just seeing some blip.

No offense intended.
 
I watched most of Jen McCabe testimony day before yesterday. Her testimony continues today. There was no court yesterday. The timeline and testimony just doesn't fit the D theory at all so far.
 
GrandmaBear said:
YES that is what I have always said! It isn't only the ones people think are crooked, and so on, far more HEARD her, EMT, etc.. And that's exactly what is said about their use of medial and GOOD D attys say they'd never let their client get on the media like that! Look how Lori Daybell for the first time ever managed to do some media things right before this last trial, exactly, they are trying to push their story without having to get on the witness stand. I can't believe people fall for this stuff, BUT want to respect all opinions of course. The entire story came later. And had to have different parts to make it all work.

I am never ever going to be on the page that she is innocent. And it is also sickening. I've said a number of things, over time, and I pop in and out. Just disgusted by it at times. To me, she is disgusting and has become more so as time has gone on.

No one is likely ever going to agree on this one, or all won't. And that's fine of course.

And I've never denied like Proctor isn't a pig etc. Does not make her innocent though.

I've watched a lot in both but last few days not caught up. This trial will not be like the first and Brennan was a good move. If I was more caught up I'd tell my prediction but don't like to do so without recent testimony and such which I have not watched. Juries of course can vary but I'll just say I don't think she is going free this time. Could be right, could be wrong. I dont have a problem if I'm either.

I've said before that I watched almost all of the pretrial hearings and this guy is prepared.

And at least for me, someone sitting there with how many attys. and her over the top Jackson guy, it wouldn't win me over, the facts would.

I have my own opinion of what happened that night, but it doesn't leave her innocent whatsoever.
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(I know you didn't watch the first trial) where does your opinion re Proctor come from?
 
Tresir said:
I watched most of Jen McCabe testimony day before yesterday. Her testimony continues today. There was no court yesterday. The timeline and testimony just doesn't fit the D theory at all so far.
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I'm with you. My opinion is pretty solid on this case and it is very unlikely to ever change. You are right plus the story got created later and exactly, doesn't fit. In my opinion, it is RIDICULOUS. As ridiculous as the ones that ran with the O thing in Delphi. Sensational though and an agenda and some run with them, and some fall for such.

Thanks for telling me who is on, this one comes on earlier too for me being east coast is earlier where Daybell for instance was so much later in day. I started out watching most but last few days have been some hard ones. I will go back and catch up later hopefully but when such happens I just try to stay on the current witnesses, live testimony until time to go back.

Good to know too, not fitting yet. I've learned well that watching actual testimony way surpasses the blips given by shows and news and can change all, and that too is what the jury is hearing.

I do trust some things like Nate's tweeting in Daybell, he tries to get every single thing being said basically, yet watching is still more informative, but watching something like Court TV or Law and Crime of just some recap, not so much. Jmo.
 
Regina said:
(I know you didn't watch the first trial) where does your opinion re Proctor come from?
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No, I did go back and watch a lot of it when I could, people on here would not answer on some witness testimony and such and I doubt some even watched any of it, so I didn't watch all in that day or live time but I watched a fair amount.

As to Proctor, tell me what you are thinking? I mean he sure doesn't look great. Even so, I think he is just as sadly typical type of some LE and such (state in his case right?) and it doesn't mean KR was framed or anything. I don't know how I feel on text messages and such coming out, ones likely thought would be private, but they did. Am I wrong?
 
Regina said:
(I know you didn't watch the first trial) where does your opinion re Proctor come from?
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I know I think you said you watched the trial and perhaps in real time. First one. I don't think many with very strong opinions the other way did at all. I went and watched quite a bit and I don't mean tons of time later, I was working at the time though. The first one. And started out watching this one. I'm behind now on it but I guarantee you most did not watch the pretrial hearings either but I did.

Anyhow, re Proctor, hey I can be swayed in different directions if you have something I didn't see. I just think him a somewhat typical part of what goes on sometimes--lacking the words--sorry.... I do NOT think anyone set up KR.

You maybe need to fill me in more on what you mean. Sometimes I don't quite follow what you are getting at?
 
Do you think proctor is on the list for either side? If I was a juror I would want to know why lead investigator proctor didn't testify if that's what happens
And if Karen takes the stand she's an idiot she's already said to much and just the faces she makes and her demeanor will get her convicted cuz the jury isn't going to like her or think she is a person with any emotion over the loss of her boyfriend
 
Takeitfromme said:
Watching trial on court TV today.... Jen McCabe is on the stand again
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Been on some other things getting done or trying to but watching on a not national type channel and last I knew you couldn't chat on I believe it Court TV if not someone that paid. But anyhow just went in and see it is a sidebar it looks like?
 
Takeitfromme said:
Do you think proctor is on the list for either side? If I was a juror I would want to know why lead investigator proctor didn't testify if that's what happens.
And if Karen takes the stand she's an idiot she's already said to much and just the faces she makes and her demeanor will get her convicted cuz the jury isn't going to like her or think she is a person with any emotion over the loss of her boyfriend
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Imo she is NOT going to take the stand, she is just trying to testify all over TV and crap without taking the stand just like Lori Dumbbell
 
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