Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023* (2 Viewers)

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The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

Yep. I think i had forgotten exactly how many we were up to. So the ones still outstanding are Karen Vergata, Tanya and Tatiana, Cherries and Asian Doe. So 5 still to be charged, of which 2 still need identification.I

Me too. Not sure why didn't recall that as we have seen every single one charged, but I think I never did the tally to 7 I guess. It isn't just my memory either, not sure I realized we were at 7, I blame news lol.

It is good though so many are charged no doubt. Seems to make it even more likely he is responsible for the rest. Of course I'm not going to say that is a positive but I do feel it as likely as not.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think you may be thinking of Karen Vergata.
For me, I think it could be just that the Costilla charge was so unexpected and that's actually what seems different because now that I've thought about it longer, I really don't know much about her case.
Info is she was missing 11/19/1993 from NYC and found the next day in woods in North Sea, NY. and that DNA from a hair links to Heuermann. Of course, there could be more that links to him but the hair is all I've read about.
Btw, I've read that "credit cards" link Heuemann to at least one of the cases, which was news to me so I'm leary of it and it was reported in a general way and so that also makes me leary of it.

No, I know the supposed Vergata story fairly well with the swinger that claims she was there and they were at CB/RH home.

I can picture through Costilla but same as you, I don't have the details straight. I'm getting fairly certain I am never going to get all of them straight. I mean I know the case fairly well but again when it comes to locations, sadly parts, and who, that's another story. I know some general details and almost keep them straight on some of the victims.

Credit cards, that is interesting... Anymore details or are you thinking it isn't reliable info, you say leery of it so thinking it isn't true?

 

[Tresir]

I think you may be thinking of Karen Vergata.
For me, I think it could be just that the Costilla charge was so unexpected and that's actually what seems different because now that I've thought about it longer, I really don't know much about her case.
Info is she was missing 11/19/1993 from NYC and found the next day in woods in North Sea, NY. and that DNA from a hair links to Heuermann. Of course, there could be more that links to him but the hair is all I've read about.
Btw, I've read that "credit cards" link Heuemann to at least one of the cases, which was news to me so I'm leary of it and it was reported in a general way and so that also makes me leary of it.

Yes i think he bought a burner phone with a credit card. That's how they knew the details of that burner phone as they could trace the purchase back to the shop. He was certainly not some mastermind and i don't know how they did not get him years ago. I mean, calling the victims families with their own phone should have led to a speedy arrest, not decades. The vehicle details being buried for years too, all leads to inside help IMO.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes i think he bought a burner phone with a credit card. That's how they knew the details of that burner phone as they could trace the purchase back to the shop. He was certainly not some mastermind and i don't know how they did not get him years ago. I mean, calling the victims families with their own phone should have led to a speedy arrest, not decades. The vehicle details being buried for years too, all leads to inside help IMO.

Yeah that is never going to change. And should always be wondered and questioned about and should be. When power is corrupt or they don't want people too close or investigating because of their own shenanigans... At minimum that's what happened, perhaps more. They should be in prison for LIFE. Then add on the women were not "important". And so on, as it goes.

The vehicle, the description of a big ogre like man, that Gone Girls thing had two men in Amber's life talking in it. Yeah THAT tip, etc. gets buried. It's maddening.

Okay that rings a bell, the credit card with burner phone.

Undoubtedly had it not been a corrupt administration this animal should have been arrested LONG AGO yes. What these families endured and no chance with trying with a corrupt bunch makes me outraged. But then there is poor, poor Asa. Give me a break. Not you of course. Talking of HER and her plays and dramas. And total lack Iof thought for her hub's victims and their families.

I hope she blows through all and ends up on the street. That may sound very not nice but seriously, that woman I see as like a devil woman.

 

[Tresir]

This article details the calls he made to the victims and to victims family after the murders. It also explains how they tracked him to Masssepequa park, within a couple of blocks and eventually to Heuermann himself. It's a good job SKs are stupid.

Long Island serial killings: A timeline of the investigation

What began as a search for one missing woman — Shannan Gilbert — led to multiple bodies and the capture of Rex Heuermann, a man police say is a serial killer.

www.cbsnews.com

"And when they looked at Heuermann's personal cellphone records, they say that his phone was in the same area as those burner phones when they were used to contact victims. They also say that when the burner phones contacted victims, they were often in Massapequa Park, where Heuermann lived, or midtown Manhattan, where his architectural firm was located. In 2023, they noticed Heuermann going into a phone store to make a payment on a burner phone. "

 

[Regina]

I agree it was him - the beheading and limb removal is his signature. A boyfriend wouldn't do that stuff IMO. He stopped that later with the Gilgo four. Changing his MO on purpose?

Now she is identified they should be able to find the link to him.

Just yesterday, I was reading info from John Douglas re MO and he said don't look to MO to link cases- look to signature but he added that that's only possible when there's more than one case, that signature may not be recognized or likely shouldn't be in just one case. (That's my understanding of what he said, anyway, lol)

 

[Regina]

No, I know the supposed Vergata story fairly well with the swinger that claims she was there and they were at CB/RH home.

I can picture through Costilla but same as you, I don't have the details straight. I'm getting fairly certain I am never going to get all of them straight. I mean I know the case fairly well but again when it comes to locations, sadly parts, and who, that's another story. I know some general details and almost keep them straight on some of the victims.

Credit cards, that is interesting... Anymore details or are you thinking it isn't reliable info, you say leery of it so thinking it isn't true?

Yeah, but never mind and sorry but I just saw it where a credit card was used for burner phones...
I think I was only associating a credit card for a possible motel charge... not that I've heard anything about any such charge, lmao!

 

[GrandmaBear]

This article details the calls he made to the victims and to victims family after the murders. It also explains how they tracked him to Masssepequa park, within a couple of blocks and eventually to Heuermann himself. It's a good job SKs are stupid.

Long Island serial killings: A timeline of the investigation

What began as a search for one missing woman — Shannan Gilbert — led to multiple bodies and the capture of Rex Heuermann, a man police say is a serial killer.

www.cbsnews.com

"And when they looked at Heuermann's personal cellphone records, they say that his phone was in the same area as those burner phones when they were used to contact victims. They also say that when the burner phones contacted victims, they were often in Massapequa Park, where Heuermann lived, or midtown Manhattan, where his architectural firm was located. In 2023, they noticed Heuermann going into a phone store to make a payment on a burner phone. "

Yes. I do have a lot of that stuff straight. His own phone tracked with the others.

And he is stupid, plus a crybaby.

It isn't that SKs are smart as they think they are or try to be, it is that they know what they are going to do and of course LE doesn't know what anyone is about to do. DUH. LE only gets things after the fact. Nothing brainy about SKs or any perp. Yah if we all knew what some person was planning it would be so easy wouldn't it. Why they think selves smart, I have no idea. Perps are the oInly ones that know what they are about to do. Doesn't make them smart although some seem to think so.

Burke and the sh*t that went on is absolutely maddening. He honestly should be imprisoned for life. And yes, this should have been finished long ago and CB found. It's never going to be able to be fixed and I think people like that should be able to be criminally charged, just as should a child agency that adopts a kid out without doing due diligence. The worker should be charged, and the agency should take major hits.

It isn't going to change though. Remember my nickname is Cynical. Lol.

 

[Tresir]

Just yesterday, I was reading info from John Douglas re MO and he said don't look to MO to link cases- look to signature but he added that that's only possible when there's more than one case, that signature may not be recognized or likely shouldn't be in just one case. (That's my understanding of what he said, anyway, lol)

Well CBs signature changed drastically from beheading and removing limbs to just wrapping in burlap so that was deliberate or the prior process was time consuming. Either way it was a big change.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Just yesterday, I was reading info from John Douglas re MO and he said don't look to MO to link cases- look to signature but he added that that's only possible when there's more than one case, that signature And may not be recognized or likely shouldn't be in just one case. (That's my understanding of what he said, anyway, lol)

I think CB/RH was out to stump with changing patterns. I watch John Kelly a bit, he isn't very young these days but still knows his stuff. But the world has changed too. And there is the internet. I mean an SK with a brain would change yes his SO, even maybe his signature. There is a big assumption over time they have this thing they HAVE the need to do, like a signature.B

Profiling is interesting and always has been to a point, but I don't think one should ever count on it. Maybe some generalities. Kelly even for his age, touches on some of that, and seems to know it.

CB had the books on the profilers. He was imo looking to outfox them.

And Tresir is right he would have been arrested long, long ago, had there not been a corrupt admin in charge and so on. Most likely. And weird too how best tips got buried.

I do think they have a THING for a signature.... Most. A need maybe even. But if trying to outfox, you'd change it if you were even somewhat smart....

I've watched more than a few retired NYPD detectives and almost none of them thought the murders in the different time frames were the same killer... Well now we have two different time frames, same killer...

The same ones of course also don't think Gilbert was a part of it. Who knows, but they were wrong on same killer with the others....

Probably not a comment I should make but women have better instincts than men imo.... LOL. It's just true. Maybe don't always follow them but they are there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yeah, but never mind and sorry but I just saw it where a credit card was used for burner phones...
I think I was only associating a credit card for a possible motel charge... not that I've heard anything about any such charge, lmao!

I get it. I needed to be reminded it was for the burner phone and then I realized I did know of that before. Hard to keep all in mind in various cases sometimes. I know I have troubles with it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well CBs signature changed drastically from beheading and removing limbs to just wrapping in burlap so that was deliberate or the prior process was time consuming. Either way it was a big change.p

Well and if he was the one in SC where it is speculated on a few, he was trying to get them like off highways and in one lurking in the woods. Imo he was having sick "fun" in various places with a different MO and signature too. Wanted to maybe be a famous like fooled them all sort of nationwide bigger than all other SKs with different modes. And yes his disposal changed, etc. too.

Profiling is interesting and often has its worth but I mean I wouldn't ever do such things but if I did, I'd know this is how they think so I'd try to skew the standards.... IF one really has any smarts.

Lol I was in a car once with good friends of mine, four of us, not even sure i remember who all were, but I do one or two. WE were on our way to see a band we liked and knew people in and what not and somehow the perfect murder came up. NONE of us were murderers lol. So the driver, pretty sure, one I do remember who described how he'd do a perfect one lol I think was at a rest stop with a friend to help and I said, nope, first mistake, you have someone else involved that can flip or tell on the you both.

Just bringing that up as these kinds think or want to outsmart it seems, as I've said before Mel would be good in this convo, she is big on the SK thing, and we were just average people who would never do such a thing, and the friend was smart, I mean he had the perfect crime except for doing it with someone else. It was quite the discussion lol and a very fun night out. Music was great. I think it was a goodbye party for someone, can't quite recall, go figure. I do remember what town we headed to though.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well CBs signature changed drastically from beheading and removing limbs to just wrapping in burlap so that was deliberate or the prior process was time consuming. Either way it was a big change.

Yeah, I think he was changing intentionally. Learning but also intentionally doing so to confuse.

 

[Tresir]

I think CB/RH was out to stump with changing patterns. I watch John Kelly a bit, he isn't very young these days but still knows his stuff. But the world has changed too. And there is the internet. I mean an SK with a brain would change yes his SO, even maybe his signature. There is a big assumption over time they have this thing they HAVE the need to do, like a signature.B

Profiling is interesting and always has been to a point, but I don't think one should ever count on it. Maybe some generalities. Kelly even for his age, touches on some of that, and seems to know it.

CB had the books on the profilers. He was imo looking to outfox them.

And Tresir is right he would have been arrested long, long ago, had there not been a corrupt admin in charge and so on. Most likely. And weird too how best tips got buried.

I do think they have a THING for a signature.... Most. A need maybe even. But if trying to outfox, you'd change it if you were even somewhat smart....

I've watched more than a few retired NYPD detectives and almost none of them thought the murders in the different time frames were the same killer... Well now we have two different time frames, same killer...

The same ones of course also don't think Gilbert was a part of it. Who knows, but they were wrong on same killer with the others....

Probably not a comment I should make but women have better instincts than men imo.... LOL. It's just true. Maybe don't always follow them but they are there.

You know what i thought when i heard about the recent id of Tanya and Tatiana and the fact she worked in a Doctor's office? I immediately thought of the doctor giving drugs to Shannon Gilbert. And then calling the family. Do I have the names right?

So i heard he was a Police Surgeon. Is that true?

 

[Tresir]

This 5 year old article has the info about the doctor. Nobody had been charged at this point in time.

Who is Peter Hackett? ‘Lost Girls’ On Netflix Focuses on One Long Island Serial Killer Suspect

This case remains a mystery.

decider.com

 

[Tresir]

Another 5 year old article about Hackett.

Where Is Dr. Peter Hackett, The Mysterious Doctor From 'Lost Girls,' Now? | Oxygen

Dr. Charles Peter Hackett was once a “big shot” in his private Oak Beach neighborhood—but after he called the mother of a missing escort, Hackett found himself linked to an unsolved Long Island murder mystery.

www.oxygen.com

"Hackett had served as head for the Suffolk County Emergency Medical Services when the TWA Flight 800 burst into flames, killing all 230 passengers on board in 1996."

"But Hackett would face criticism after he allegedly embellished his role in the investigation, Vice reports.

Shortly after Gilbert’s body was discovered, Hackett put his Oak Beach house on the market in 2012 and moved away from the area, Newsday reports. He now reportedly lives in Florida. Attempts to find current contact information for Hackett were not immediately successful."

 

[GrandmaBear]

You know what i thought when i heard about the recent id of Tanya and Tatiana and the fact she worked in a Doctor's office? I immediately thought of the doctor giving drugs to Shannon Gilbert. And then calling the family. Do I have the names right?

So i heard he was a Police Surgeon. Is that true?

I think so. yeah there are a lot of rabbit holes and things imo re Gilbert. John Ray I think over the years added to it from years past even. I give him credit, don't get me wrong, he's been there for the victim families.

I think it is where a lot of the talk comes from though. Not all, but some, and may well be true.

Yes, I have never ever thought the Gilbert thing what it was put down to. And YES, there was a doctor thing. Claims of parties too with cops and things like that, and with prostitutes, of monied people on Long Island and so on.

I think like Daybell and some others, there is a LOT more here than we will ever hear. I have come away from some of the past talk and such as it just makes it hard to wrap the head around and stick more to his charges and known things but yes, there is much to wonder about.

The other thing very weird is first of all, how many SKs supposedly operated in that area, and then when CB was arrested SK kids ran to Asa and one of the SK fathers wrote to CB. I mean come ON, WTH is going on here.... And yes, there is like some group or some such which makes me ill....

Lately I just stick to the CB part and victims because it's just so much to start wondering about the other things again.

But yes, back to your point, it does make one wonder.

I dont know how big this is but also very weird how attorneys came in, and Asa had help immediately from not a type I like, all very ODD.

Kind of talking about a lot of weird things but yes, it kind of fits. These women were all victims and they were tortured with details I never want to know but they definitely, some, did not live the purest lifestyles. Drugs with some maybe no doubt. Shannon, kind of doing higher priced escort. Talk of so many things.... Rumors/truth??

I do lean towards he is responsible for all. The toddler is a bit different and so is the Asian but I don't think he'd have any problem killing any of them, finding them wherever. Let's' recall he worked for the City as far as all the other talk...

Trying not to confuse subjects here but yes to your post. I stuck in other bits for food for thought.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Another 5 year old article about Hackett.

Where Is Dr. Peter Hackett, The Mysterious Doctor From 'Lost Girls,' Now? | Oxygen

Dr. Charles Peter Hackett was once a “big shot” in his private Oak Beach neighborhood—but after he called the mother of a missing escort, Hackett found himself linked to an unsolved Long Island murder mystery.

www.oxygen.com

I absolutely can't right now take a deep dive and look into but yes, Hackett has always bothered me. The ENTIRE Gilbert thing has always bothered me. And yes he did that weird call. I didn't forget but did need to be reminded. I mean this sounds sometimes like the Epstein thing, an entire bunch... High class calls girls perhaps with like Gilbert, doctors, cops, you name it. I just can't go down that rabbit hole right now lol. I've been down it.

Never been there but NYC etc. is arguably one of the most powerful or political places in the world. To put another twist in there. I mean some of these girls traveled there, which one was it to make some money on a weekend....?

Power, escorts, call girls, prostitutes...

Doctors, LE, Long Island....

Just some reminders, but I'm not capable of diving rght now. You might be though so giving some things for thought...

 

[Regina]

Yes i think he bought a burner phone with a credit card. That's how they knew the details of that burner phone as they could trace the purchase back to the shop. He was certainly not some mastermind and i don't know how they did not get him years ago. I mean, calling the victims families with their own phone should have led to a speedy arrest, not decades. The vehicle details being buried for years too, all leads to inside help IMO.

I don't think he had inside help, I just think LE could have done better and why they didn't, I don't know- we'd have to look at each case and identify where and how they could have done better- but I think there're probably lots of reasons.

 

[Tresir]

I don't think he had inside help, I just think LE could have done better and why they didn't, I don't know- we'd have to look at each case and identify where and how they could have done better- but I think there're probably lots of reasons.

Well although I said IMO, when you see Spota and Burke both serving prison terms, it makes me feel stronger than just an opinion. Turning a blind eye comes to mind.