Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

 
One of the other victim's sister received a phone call from the killer. I remember the phone call being described as very obscene, the killer was speaking vulgar..if I remember correctly the speaker (claimed to be the killer) was calling the victim and sister vulgar, racist names...I'll have to Google which victim, maybe Melissa Bartholomew?
Eta I would like to add, also; not only were there (if I remember correctly) more than one phone call, but the call(s) were made to the sister shortly after the victim went missing...almost like the killer was taunting the victim while she was still alive.
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I’m glad we have somebody else who’s interested in this case. It’s really easy to get lost in this one and sometimes I need to be revived. LOL
 
I'm not sure about that...Do you know or remember L.E. released some evidence pertaining to initials on a belt buckle?? I think it was related to LISK..maybe in 2019? Or 2020? I don't remember anything ever coming out after that, as far as updates or anything...I definitely think corruption and cover-up. What struck me about the phone calls were the victim's sister was also being targeted. I wonder if that may have been a pattern?? The killer would have taken some sick, sadistic pleasure in tormenting the victim, and taunting the sister of the victim...
I don’t think I knew anything about the belt buckle!

Get into phone call come after the case hit the news? I don’t know why but it seems like I was thinking that it was someone thinking they were having some cruel “fun.”
 
I don’t think I knew anything about the belt buckle!

Get into phone call come after the case hit the news? I don’t know why but it seems like I was thinking that it was someone thinking they were having some cruel “fun.”
I really don't think so...apparently L.E. had good reason to believe it was the actual perp. I think they actually attempted to locate where the call originated from, they weren't able to narrow the location down specifically, and never found out who placed the call...I'll have to dive deep to find the info. Possibly could have been on unsolved mysteries or something..Maybe with that Keith Morrison who narrates for Dateline??
 
Hey, everyone
Here's an article talking about the phone call
Thanks!

The family said “nobody knew”, But sometimes the family is the last to find out that a lot of people know about someone else.
 
Also, I didn’t see in the article that the calls talked about her being killed? I mean, if it was already in the news that she had been killed, anybody could’ve called. I’m just not connecting this for some reason. There’s so many weirdos out there.
 
Also, I didn’t see in the article that the calls talked about her being killed? I mean, if it was already in the news that she had been killed, anybody could’ve called. I’m just not connecting this for some reason. There’s so many weirdos out there.
In my opinion the killer accessed the victim's phone and contacts...then contacted her sister. It would have been the ultimate way to torment both sisters. That article had a lot of very interesting tidbits...
1. They connected the bodies in Atlantic City to the same killer.
2. They had a person of interest.
3. Bodies were all stashed somewhere before being dumped. (So the evidence would deteriorate?) The killer took all their clothing, also..probably to hide or destroy evidence..a highly intelligent killer. One that has not lost control, the way many other killers eventually do. What's keeping this killer in control??
 
In my opinion the killer accessed the victim's phone and contacts...then contacted her sister. It would have been the ultimate way to torment both sisters. That article had a lot of very interesting tidbits...
1. They connected the bodies in Atlantic City to the same killer.
2. They had a person of interest.
3. Bodies were all stashed somewhere before being dumped. (So the evidence would deteriorate?) The killer took all their clothing, also..probably to hide or destroy evidence..a highly intelligent killer. One that has not lost control, the way many other killers eventually do. What's keeping this killer in control??
Good points! Also, the fact that LE believes it was the killer speaks loudly. They usually have info in their pocket that they aren't sharing with the public.
 
LE is always a one way street you give info or tips but they can't nor are obligated to give it back. I do know they said a burner phone was used in this phone call discussed above. I'm thinking the actual perp made the call
 
LE is always a one way street you give info or tips but they can't nor are obligated to give it back. I do know they said a burner phone was used in this phone call discussed above. I'm thinking the actual perp made the call
Totally agree ..Do you know if there were any other phone calls to victim's families? In the article I shared it seems the killer stalked his victim and may have also seen the sister when she visited the victim....
 
I do remember the thing about the belt buckle but do admit I am not "fresh" with my recollections of everything in this case.

I do know with Shannon Gilbert the family was frustrated because LE wouldn't (don't think they have yet or have they?) consider her one of the LISK victims where the family feels/felt she likely was. Of course they weren't exactly on top of or into solving her case (it seemed and the family felt I think) and when the others came to light LE didn't even want to admit it could be or is a serial killer. This all is to the best of my recollection.

It's hard to believe that with all of these victims and the number of times this killer dumped bodies and the fact they all had to have made contact or had contact with "him", that they don't have anything or any trail in this case.

I know DutyRon on YT did a show or two some months back on this case. In one, he actually goes out to Long Island and Gilgo so a person gets to see the area, etc. In one show I know he touches on a lot of the facts, the investigation I think and it may have been that show.
The long stretch of lonely highway is creepy as heck...
 
Good points! Also, the fact that LE believes it was the killer speaks loudly. They usually have info in their pocket that they aren't sharing with the public.
In my humble opinion, the belt-buckle should have at least been released nine years ago...Makes me wonder if they actually want this case solved. I am completely soured on this L.E. I absolutely 💯 believe this is either corruption or 100% incompetent. Maybe a little of both.
 
The long stretch of lonely highway is creepy as heck...
Yeah, I remember Duty Ron being out there and it was daylight and even today imagining it at night would be pretty isolated and creepy and it was even more so when this all happened. All of the feet of weeds along the shoreline and such too.

I really need to refresh on this case. I used to keep details on cases well but follow so many more in recent years that too many cases and some of the details slip from my mind. Plus sadly this case is not front and center news so never hear much on it.
 
I guess they have released the 911 of Shannon Gilbert. Long, long time coming. Not sure if anyone else has heard it and missed it myself, think it recent? Here is part, there is much more I gather.

Will post if I find all, etc.

 
I thought they'd already released that 911 call; I know they'd released at least parts of it- most of it- a long time ago. Seems like I also remember a transcript of that call that was released...Anyway...
I spent a ton-o-time researching and studying the LISK case along several other cases in and outside of Long Island for any potential links.
Shannan's death, though, I believe was an accident, no doubt in my mind about it. Indeed, apart from other circumstances, she showed all of the symptoms of a state of excited delirium which (if I may point out) includes sudden death.
 
No, they only now released the full recovering and have resisted doing so and it took a court order for her family to even get it.

The Gilbert family’s Miller Place-based attorney John Ray had sued for police to turn over the tapes. A judge ordered police to turn over the records to the family in 2020, but shielded it from public release. Harrison vowed to release the records shortly after taking over as commissioner in January in a bid to generate tips that may help solve the case.

The development comes shortly after police released video of Gilgo victim Megan Waterman and new details of three other women found dead near her off Ocean Parkway.


 
As for how she died, I don't know. It seems pretty dam*ed uncanny that her death led to findings tons of others (what are the odds something like that was even going on and hers not relate to it) and her going missing led to eventually finding others. Regardless of how she died, clearly there was something wrong that night and her disappearance was not handled right then nor after...
 
No, they only now released the full recovering and have resisted doing so and it took a court order for her family to even get it.

Well, I'm not sure I've ever heard the "full, unedited" 911 call from Shannan, although, I do remember it having been 21 minute call...
I'm thinking it's the other two 911 calls, the ones from Brewer's neighbors that are newly released. (I don't recall ever actually hearing those, I just knew they existed.)
Btw, I remember an interview with Gus Colletti in which he described Shannan running out of his home after he said he'd call the police and he watched as she hid behind a boat in his yard as Pak- Shannan's driver- was trying to pick her up and then watched as she ran down the road and Pak followed. It was right after that- based on the 911 call times- she was at another's door...

As for how she died, I don't know. It seems pretty dam*ed uncanny that her death led to findings tons of others (what are the odds something like that was even going on and hers not relate to it) and her going missing led to eventually finding others. Regardless of how she died, clearly there was something wrong that night and her disappearance was not handled right then nor after...

Yeah, I mean, we've seen it where remains of one individual is found during the search of a missing person, but 10?! Fortunately, to my knowledge, that's certainly extraordinary. (Now that I think about it, such may have happened in the Gacy case...)
Re how Shannan died, I don't know if I'd heard of excited delirium before or after studying her case- I think I first learned about it from Dr. G, lol! (learned a lot from Dr. G!)- but take it or leave it- it's what I understand would be considered as textbook ED.
Re police not handled right, I really don't know what they did to try and find her, but in retrospect and understanding the circumstances, I don't know why she wasn't found in a timely manner.
 
Well, I'm not sure I've ever heard the "full, unedited" 911 call from Shannan, although, I do remember it having been 21 minute call...
I'm thinking it's the other two 911 calls, the ones from Brewer's neighbors that are newly released. (I don't recall ever actually hearing those, I just knew they existed.)
Btw, I remember an interview with Gus Colletti in which he described Shannan running out of his home after he said he'd call the police and he watched as she hid behind a boat in his yard as Pak- Shannan's driver- was trying to pick her up and then watched as she ran down the road and Pak followed. It was right after that- based on the 911 call times- she was at another's door...



Yeah, I mean, we've seen it where remains of one individual is found during the search of a missing person, but 10?! Fortunately, to my knowledge, that's certainly extraordinary. (Now that I think about it, such may have happened in the Gacy case...)
Re how Shannan died, I don't know if I'd heard of excited delirium before or after studying her case- I think I first learned about it from Dr. G, lol! (learned a lot from Dr. G!)- but take it or leave it- it's what I understand would be considered as textbook ED.
Re police not handled right, I really don't know what they did to try and find her, but in retrospect and understanding the circumstances, I don't know why she wasn't found in a timely manner.
The full 911 and its release has always been an issue as I understand it right up until now. It is confusing as I think some had been released and I believe her family finally had access but only a year or two ago I believe but not the public.

I can believe the ED thing but even in cases with it, I have to always wonder about who they were with and who gave them what or possibly may have. There are too many dead women out here to not believe something more was going on, parties, abuse, drugs, torture, rape, who knows... Is Shannon one that simply escaped the clutches for a bit where others did not? So for me even that cause of death would not close out foul play imo.

I don't know that they looked hard for her, she was simply a missing "escort" and an adult. Even nowadays, getting any attention or action on such a case is difficult and even for an adult who does not work in such a profession.

I'd also have to say in the current cases online here where people think it likely excited ED, two young men at least off the top of my head, Jason and Michael, for sure that seems to be the thought, not a one do I know of called 911 as Shannon did that night... Nor in any case of known ED other than those two suspected ones that I can think of. I'm not saying that means anything nor that maybe it does not happen but just that I note that.

We have all of these bodies in not a spread out area but on Long Island and no arrests. It is hard to fathom no one has been arrested nor convicted for these murders.

My thoughts, and I could be right and could be wrong, and hints throughout the years, is someone involved here or connected is someone of name/status/import. So much it seemed was attempted to be buried, swept under the rug, ignore it 'til it goes away, etc. At minimum it is a poor or sloppy job that was being covered but more likely it was more than that... Imo. I can't recall all of my reasons right now but there were plenty to arrive at that for me as that's how I come to one, continually weighing things.

So anyhow, they still have a murderer out there, an evil serial killer. Of course some surmise as in any case like this that he may be dead or in prison but it makes no difference, no one knows and so the public can't rest assured. I see no indication they are on their way to solving this case, finding the perp or are even trying to...?

Just my thoughts.
 

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