UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed in Midtown Manhattan by masked gunman in December 2024 (11 Viewers)

(1) Brian Entin on X: "The CEO of UnitedHealthcare was killed in a Midtown New York City shooting. Brian Thompson, 50, was shot just before 7 a.m. The shooting is being investigated as a possibly targeted hit. https://t.co/3BXAZ1T4Bw" / X

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I didn't say it changed anything re his guilt. All the evidence points to him.

You were saying stockholders and those denied healthcare would have a motive. I was disagreeing with that. You need to properly read the posts and not continually attack others' posts.

What I said is that stock holders, and people who have been denied care would have the motivation to support Luigi, not that they could possibly be the killer.

 

[Tresir]

What I said is that stock holders, and people who have been denied care would have the motivation to support Luigi, not that they could possibly be the killer.

This is what you said. To me that implied a motive for murder. But you didn't mean that, you meant motive to support the perp? You are not being clear in some of your posts and then are abusive, when we ask for clarification. Stockholders would be happy for the denials and keeping profits up, so i really can't see them supporting the murderer of the CEO.

"There are so many people with a motive. Stockholders, and people who've been denied coverage."

 

[GrandmaBear]

Try harder to understand them. Don't accuse me of changing my mind, when I obviously didn't.

I wasn't saying he didn't do it. The question was who was supporting him and did they speak to any of them?

My answer was as to who was supporting him. Don't accuse me of things I never said.

Here's what I think about this. Luigi was 100% wrong for killing ANYONE!

The narrative that the victim was a great guy is wrong. He was running a company that made money by denying life saving medical care.

He also stole money from the shareholders and was being investigated by the SEC. He was not an admiralable human being.

Who said anyone backed him?

I should try harder to understand "them" as in who?

Good to hear the 100 percent wrong part.

I don't do the narrative that the victim was a great guy nevertheless he was murdered and IS a victim. There are many just like him in this world whether health care or screwing the little guy in other ways.

i've never called him admirable. Not once. So I'd sure hope you are not saying I did. He IS, however, a murder victim.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I didn't say it changed anything re his guilt. All the evidence points to him.

You were saying stockholders and those denied healthcare would have a motive. I was disagreeing with that. You need to properly read the posts and not continually attack others' posts.

I was accused of not reading posts lol.

Yeah, here comes all this stuff about shareholders and others with motives when to me it is clear who killed him.

Sigh. Anyhow.....

 

[GrandmaBear]

Here you go again, attacking/defaming the victim. He was not doing anything wrong. None of what you say is proven. You need to provide proof of what you are saying ie from a court not opinion from a newspaper.

Even if there is proof, it does not justify a cold bloodied assassination.

On the one hand you say the perp is guilty, then next you are badmouthing the victim.
I didn't think that was allowed.

Yep.

I don't myself badmouth or glorify the victim. He IS however a victim.

Some out there try to use the badmouthing to turn the case around or somehow make the perp the victim. That almost never works. Thank God.

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is what you said. To me that implied a motive for murder. But you didn't mean that, you meant motive to support the perp? You are not being clear in some of your posts and then are abusive, when we ask for clarification. Stockholders would be happy for the denials and keeping profits up, so i really can't see them supporting the murderer of the CEO.

"There are so many people with a motive. Stockholders, and people who've been denied coverage."

It was not clear he was not saying they had a motive and meant SODDI, then he comes back with he means supporting him. Sure not how it came across at first. Either way though, it was a jump imo and unclear as to how that came up.

Done with it. Just another day...

 

[Cousin Dupree]

This is what you said. To me that implied a motive for murder. But you didn't mean that, you meant motive to support the perp? You are not being clear in some of your posts and then are abusive, when we ask for clarification. Stockholders would be happy for the denials and keeping profits up, so i really can't see them supporting the murderer of the CEO.

"There are so many people with a motive. Stockholders, and people who've been denied coverage."

I'm being clear if you read what I'm responding to.

 

[Tresir]

I'm being clear if you read what I'm responding to.

I did read what you were responding to and it still read like you were saying the stockholders had motive for murder. Your posts are not very clear.

Gbear responded too the same as me.

I'm giving up on this for today as it is just doing my head in.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I did read what you were responding to and it still read like you were saying the stockholders had motive for murder. Your posts are not very clear.

Gbear responded too the same as me.

I'm giving up on this for today as it is just doing my head in.

That is EXACTLY how it sounded and I don't see how that wasn't clear to him. Anyhow, I'm done with it too.

It definitely was not clear. It is how anyone would take it AND I did read every post.

Whatever.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Pennsylvania police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops allegedly gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA.

abc7ny.com

Police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says​

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA, his attorney said.

Police also violated Mangione's rights, his lawyer now alleges, when they seized his bag and rifled through his belongings, telling the public they had found a "manifesto."

Attorney Thomas Dickey said the cops who first approached Mangione that morning, Dec. 9, did not even have proper legal justification.

Those accusations are included in documents filed this week in connection with the charges Mangione faces in Pennsylvania.

Mangione is now awaiting trial in New York City on charges connected with the Dec. 4 execution-style shooting of United HealthCare CEO Brian Thompson.

In a 36-page filing asking the court to exclude evidence against Mangione, Dickey says Altoona officers' "combined actions" at the McDonalds were "designed to not only exhibit their authority and control over [Mangione], but to also to restrict and totally curtail his liberty," Dickey said, arguing at the time of the seizure and arrest, the officers "lacked reasonable suspicion to engage in such activity."

"Any reasonable person, innocent of any crime, would have thought that he was being restrained if he had been in the Defendant's shoes," Dickey said, adding the officers' actions violated Mangione's constitutional rights.

The lawyer is arguing that Mangione's DNA samples are "poisonous fruits" of an illegal search and must be excluded from the Pennsylvania case.

As for Mangione's belongings that were seized, Dickey said police obtained various writings, including a red notebook and other handwritten papers. Those documents indicated the accused assailant had been developing a fixation and increasing malice towards United Healthcare and had been talking about harming its CEO for months, law enforcement sources have previously told ABC News.

"The Altoona Police Department illegally seized a notebook which allegedly contained numerous personal writings covering a plethora of personal experiences of [Mangione]," his lawyer said.

"This characterization of [Mangione's] alleged personal experiences and writings is incorrect, improper, and without justification and has no probative value," his lawyer Dickey said - and calling it a "manifesto," the lawyer wrote, "was done so solely for the purpose to prejudice [Mangione] and put him in a negative light before the public; all in an effort to prejudice any potential jury pool."

 

[GrandmaBear]

Poisonous fruits. My goodness. And other wording.

Maybe he should have resisted the McDonald's snack. I mean who doesn't know such gives DNA. What a dumb kid for an Ivy League grad.

Just turning some of it around...

Last I heard in this one was his asking people to limit the pictures they send and hinting all gets looked at and it's causing him trouble. Meaning women the way I took it. Imo also very dumb women.

I'd suspect he'd give anything for a McDonald's snack right now, DNA or not, and his freedom. On the other hand, he likely has plenty of money in his account to order what he can get in there. I wonder if he's getting taken for such as Donna Adelson claims, shaken down.

If innocent, that would be horrible but I don't see myself any reason here to believe he is. Good thing I won't be a juror.

People will have fun with this attorney's last name imo, those that aren't on the mang--ione is a hero train. I'm not going to fame his name.

My response is to the filing. Good luck to them, if something was seriously done wrong, I'm sure we will see it, in the meantime his atty is trying to make his fame and bucks and his fan club will probably go off in excitement any time the D files something as we see in more than a few cases these days, generally until the P responds anyhow or some sane people explain what the deal really is.

I think I'm going to have to find a few more sane channels. Scott's pretty good on this one though. It is one he covers with sanity and legal explanation.

Poisonous fruits by one, manifesto by another. Get ready, here we go. And as per the norm, it's all about the defendant, more than, already.

All jmo.

 

[Tresir]

Pennsylvania police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops allegedly gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA.

abc7ny.com

Police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says​

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA, his attorney said.

Police also violated Mangione's rights, his lawyer now alleges, when they seized his bag and rifled through his belongings, telling the public they had found a "manifesto."

Attorney Thomas Dickey said the cops who first approached Mangione that morning, Dec. 9, did not even have proper legal justification.

Those accusations are included in documents filed this week in connection with the charges Mangione faces in Pennsylvania.

Mangione is now awaiting trial in New York City on charges connected with the Dec. 4 execution-style shooting of United HealthCare CEO Brian Thompson.

In a 36-page filing asking the court to exclude evidence against Mangione, Dickey says Altoona officers' "combined actions" at the McDonalds were "designed to not only exhibit their authority and control over [Mangione], but to also to restrict and totally curtail his liberty," Dickey said, arguing at the time of the seizure and arrest, the officers "lacked reasonable suspicion to engage in such activity."

"Any reasonable person, innocent of any crime, would have thought that he was being restrained if he had been in the Defendant's shoes," Dickey said, adding the officers' actions violated Mangione's constitutional rights.

The lawyer is arguing that Mangione's DNA samples are "poisonous fruits" of an illegal search and must be excluded from the Pennsylvania case.

As for Mangione's belongings that were seized, Dickey said police obtained various writings, including a red notebook and other handwritten papers. Those documents indicated the accused assailant had been developing a fixation and increasing malice towards United Healthcare and had been talking about harming its CEO for months, law enforcement sources have previously told ABC News.

"The Altoona Police Department illegally seized a notebook which allegedly contained numerous personal writings covering a plethora of personal experiences of [Mangione]," his lawyer said.

"This characterization of [Mangione's] alleged personal experiences and writings is incorrect, improper, and without justification and has no probative value," his lawyer Dickey said - and calling it a "manifesto," the lawyer wrote, "was done so solely for the purpose to prejudice [Mangione] and put him in a negative light before the public; all in an effort to prejudice any potential jury pool."

Ooh those cops were so mean to that poor little Luigi. LOL they certainly outsmarted him but i can't see anything illegal there can you? They had a tip he was the murderer and knew he was probably still armed and he was in a public place where others could be in danger. I think they did a good job getting his cooperation and disarming him.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ooh those cops were so mean to that poor little Luigi. LOL they certainly outsmarted him but i can't see anything illegal there can you? They had a tip he was the murderer and knew he was probably still armed and he was in a public place where others could be in danger. I think they did a good job getting his cooperation and disarming him.

LOL. A silver spoon fed Ivy Leaguer whose downfall was chain restaurants. That's how I see him. Perhaps that's unfair and we can't know but HE77 he ain't lived anything at such an age to know what bad is and his answer is to do as he did and his downfall was McDonald's and a snack. That's so fitting lol. Maybe his parents should be charged and blamed, I mean such has happened, but that's not going to happen in THIS case.

Did the nanny take him constantly to McDonald's or how'd the affinity for such come about. Yes, it's sarcasm lol. Maybe he just hated the offerings at the cushy clubs and was left seeing too many McDonald's commercials at home and ignored, no idea.

I'll be dam*Ed before I'll ever make this kid some saint.

If they did something illegal it will come out in time but I see no reason to think any such thing. He was RECOGNIZED.

He needs a name, I keep thinking Lulu or Booger. I don't know where Booger is coming from lol but it keeps crossing my mind. However, I'd probably better not and should leave it alone. Poor little Lu-*igi works well.

He's already old news. It will rear again of course, all do, as it just did with the filing and is only just beginning I suppose.

Good morning by the way. Still morning there right? It's 4:30 here and I'm probably going to need to head back to bed in awhile. Man is my sleep messed up. It's not about the time change either. Oh well. Not the first time by a long shot.

Is booger a bad word in the UK? I know fanny is. You taught me that lol.

 

[Tresir]

LOL. A silver spoon fed Ivy Leaguer whose downfall was chain restaurants. That's how I see him. Perhaps that's unfair and we can't know but HE77 he ain't lived anything at such an age to know what bad is and his answer is to do as he did and his downfall was McDonald's and a snack. That's so fitting lol. Maybe his parents should be charged and blamed, I mean such has happened, but that's not going to happen in THIS case.

Did the nanny take him constantly to McDonald's or how'd the affinity for such come about. Yes, it's sarcasm lol. Maybe he just hated the offerings at the cushy clubs and was left seeing too many McDonald's commercials at home and ignored, no idea.

I'll be dam*Ed before I'll ever make this kid some saint.

If they did something illegal it will come out in time but I see no reason to think any such thing. He was RECOGNIZED.

He needs a name, I keep thinking Lulu or Booger. I don't know where Booger is coming from lol but it keeps crossing my mind. However, I'd probably better not and should leave it alone. Poor little Lu-*igi works well.

He's already old news. It will rear again of course, all do, as it just did with the filing and is only just beginning I suppose.

Good morning by the way. Still morning there right? It's 4:30 here and I'm probably going to need to head back to bed in awhile. Man is my sleep messed up. It's not about the time change either. Oh well. Not the first time by a long shot.

Is booger a bad word in the UK? I know fanny is. You taught me that lol.

LOL. In the UK booger is not a rude word at all but is what you get when you pick your nose and need to wipe the booger on someone unsuspecting like a schoolmate sitting in front of you in class. I think Booger is a great nickname, way better than Saint Luigi. I mean he is just a little snot really isn't he LOL. Or bogey means the same too.

His nickname at school in the uk would likely have been Mangey, which is another not very nice thing. Do you have that word there? It literally means someone with the mange.
.

 

[GrandmaBear]

LOL. In the UK booger is not a rude word at all but is what you get when you pick your nose and need to wipe the booger on someone unsuspecting like a schoolmate sitting in front of you in class. I think Booger is a great nickname, way better than Saint Luigi. I mean he is just a little snot really isn't he LOL. Or bogey means the same too.

His nickname at school in the uk would likely have been Mangey, which is another not very nice thing. Do you have that word there? It literally means someone with the mange.
.

LMAO. Hey then we have the same word and meaning on that one at least. I think you may have nailed it, that's he's a little snot, the word came coming to mind but as I said I couldn't figure out WHY I kept thinking booger when thinking of him, that's probably why. He certainly does not need to be called a saint. It's a shame he can't probably read what the majority think of him.

Bogey we differ on, so here we go again with differences in our words lol. It's most often a golf term/score. It can also mean a ghost or evil spirit, and also a source of annoyance or harassment. The last few would certainly fit him too lol.

.Mangey is pretty good. Yes, we have that word here. Not sure if it is spelled with the E or without. I looked it up, no E. With an e, it is an instrument.

I like booger but perhaps we should go with Mangy. It's close enough to his name that new people wouldn't have to figure out who is being talked of. I don't care which though and I'll have to get booger out of my head as it's what always pops into it re him lol.

 

[Tresir]

LMAO. Hey then we have the same word and meaning on that one at least. I think you may have nailed it, that's he's a little snot, the word came coming to mind but as I said I couldn't figure out WHY I kept thinking booger when thinking of him, that's probably why. He certainly does not need to be called a saint. It's a shame he can't probably read what the majority think of him.

Bogey we differ on, so here we go again with differences in our words lol. It's most often a golf term/score. It can also mean a ghost or evil spirit, and also a source of annoyance or harassment. The last few would certainly fit him too lol.

.Mangey is pretty good. Yes, we have that word here. Not sure if it is spelled with the E or without. I looked it up, no E. With an e, it is an instrument.

I like booger but perhaps we should go with Mangy. It's close enough to his name that new people wouldn't have to figure out who is being talked of. I don't care which though and I'll have to get booger out of my head as it's what always pops into it re him lol.

Warning- do not ever google booger like i just did - TMI about cleaning them out and even pictures of them.too.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Warning- do not ever google booger like i just did - TMI about cleaning them out and even pictures of them.too.

Thank you for the warning! Thank goodness I didn't. Since we shared the same word and meaning in our countries, I never googled that one. I did Google bogey to get other means for it, and searched the spelling of mangy.

Yeah, I don't want to see that. I'm pretty careful about what I search generally but likely wouldn't have thought twice about booger lol.

Hey, I guess he could be the mangy booger...?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Pennsylvania police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops allegedly gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA.

abc7ny.com

Police who arrested Luigi Mangione gave him a snack to get his DNA, lawyer says​

Police in Pennsylvania pulled a fast one on Luigi Mangione when they arrested him at an Altoona McDonald's, according to his lawyer. Cops gave him a snack strictly so they could get his DNA, his attorney said.

Police also violated Mangione's rights, his lawyer now alleges, when they seized his bag and rifled through his belongings, telling the public they had found a "manifesto."

Attorney Thomas Dickey said the cops who first approached Mangione that morning, Dec. 9, did not even have proper legal justification.

Those accusations are included in documents filed this week in connection with the charges Mangione faces in Pennsylvania.

Mangione is now awaiting trial in New York City on charges connected with the Dec. 4 execution-style shooting of United HealthCare CEO Brian Thompson.

In a 36-page filing asking the court to exclude evidence against Mangione, Dickey says Altoona officers' "combined actions" at the McDonalds were "designed to not only exhibit their authority and control over [Mangione], but to also to restrict and totally curtail his liberty," Dickey said, arguing at the time of the seizure and arrest, the officers "lacked reasonable suspicion to engage in such activity."

"Any reasonable person, innocent of any crime, would have thought that he was being restrained if he had been in the Defendant's shoes," Dickey said, adding the officers' actions violated Mangione's constitutional rights.

The lawyer is arguing that Mangione's DNA samples are "poisonous fruits" of an illegal search and must be excluded from the Pennsylvania case.

As for Mangione's belongings that were seized, Dickey said police obtained various writings, including a red notebook and other handwritten papers. Those documents indicated the accused assailant had been developing a fixation and increasing malice towards United Healthcare and had been talking about harming its CEO for months, law enforcement sources have previously told ABC News.

"The Altoona Police Department illegally seized a notebook which allegedly contained numerous personal writings covering a plethora of personal experiences of [Mangione]," his lawyer said.

"This characterization of [Mangione's] alleged personal experiences and writings is incorrect, improper, and without justification and has no probative value," his lawyer Dickey said - and calling it a "manifesto," the lawyer wrote, "was done so solely for the purpose to prejudice [Mangione] and put him in a negative light before the public; all in an effort to prejudice any potential jury pool."

Ooh those cops were so mean to that poor little Luigi. LOL they certainly outsmarted him but i can't see anything illegal there can you? They had a tip he was the murderer and knew he was probably still armed and he was in a public place where others could be in danger. I think they did a good job getting his cooperation and disarming him.

@Tresir That's what I was going to say, but you said it better.

 

[GrandmaBear]

@Tresir That's what I was going to say, but you said it better.

I'm watching Scott on this right now. I figured he'd cover it. I think I'm at about the end of his part on this case and I'll probably link it.

He started out by saying something like the most handsome, smartest, etc. guy ever meaning the defendant lol and you just know he's being sarcastic but he's pretty good at it without going over the top lol. I'll be back if I don't go to bed. If not, then in the morning probably to link it, hope to, I"m wearing out fast but may push beyond as I often stupidly do. And of course he's a defense atty and he has a busy practice so his opinion of other D attys. holds some weight for me. He never just agrees whereas many others I've watched and have since quit automatically seem to always go for the D. Not so with him so I find him really balanced in each case or calling it like he sees it. Jmo.

And yes, @Tresir said it very well. I agree entirely.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He was fair as I figured he would be. I don't think it's going to pan out for the D with this filing but even if it does, it doesn't fix his other charges etc. elsewhere, each has to be dealt with. He does say though it's a fairly straightforward argument, and we will have to wait and see. He gives examples as to McDonald's and the arrest and all the things from ID to the manifesto.

Starts at about 2 minutes in (ads before that) and done just after 10 minutes in so pretty short, may 8.5 minutes at top for Mangy. Too tired to give thoughts right now.