ONGOING CRIME BREAKING NEWS!
Starting on January 31ST, 2025, this thread is about CRIME NEWS as it breaks!
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ONGOING CRIME BREAKING NEWS!
Starting on January 31ST, 2025, this thread is about CRIME NEWS as it breaks!
GrandmaBear
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I think this one needs a thread definitely. It is still a bit of a controversial subject for one thing and I didn't even know about this school shooting in my home state either.
Father of 15-year-old who killed 2 at Wisconsin religious school faces felony charges
The father of a Wisconsin teenage girl who killed a teacher and fellow student in a school shooting has been charged with felonies in connection with the case.apnews.com
I read it because it was my state also.
There is a lot to unpack in there and things that go both ways for me until more is known I guess so not going to try to comment on all right now.
First, kids can do gun safety at I believe it is 12 years old in WI and they can hunt with an adult too. It is a BIG hunting state. My grandson has hunted since young and is a very good hunter actually, and his dad is an avid one. He is 18 now and graduating. I don't know a lot about guns but am saying in WI a lot of kids grow up learning thSince em and can use them, unsure til what age with an adult. Since I don't know a lot about guns, I assume a semi automatic is different.
I'd also like to know if dad knew about her plans or what she had in her room.
Unlike the Crumbleys he had actually had her to counseling knowing she was having issues.
I think it is REALLY SOMETHING of the mom to say she's going to kill him when the daughter said her mom was not even involved in her life. I mean WHERE was she?? I mean counselor said she was having trouble due to parents' divorce for instance well mom? Maybe if she had at least seen both parents....??
When we grew up the hunting rifles were never cased. Both brothers and my dad had one. I mean cased as in a locked cabinet. Things like this also did not go on back when and we all knew you do not use that unless... I never learned to shoot. I think someone should really look into why the world has changed this way... I think I've said this in other threads, they must be able to hunt etc. and have a gun without folks or used to be able to because high school boys would come to school with a deer rifle for instance on a rack you could see on their window in their pickup trucks and it was entirely legal. Again same state.
A lot more in that article that could be unpacked or wondered about but enough for the moment without more info.
I will say dad was at least trying it seems but mom was nonexistent. The remark about weed and drinking is total hearsay but even if he was, he was there and in her life.
I DO think there should be a thread.
GrandmaBear
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Oh plus the AP has a heck of a lot of typos.
Tresir
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I grew up on a farm and the guns were alway behind the kitchen door in the coat corner. All farmers had air rifles and 22's and full bore shotguns for hunting and killing injured stock. No handguns generally though. If you didn't have a gun and needed an animal killed then you would contact the master of the foxhounds and they would come and do it and take the carcass for the hounds (he had a licenced handgun IIRC). Rules came in about the late 60's and they had to be in a locked cupboard. I don't remember anyone following that but by then I was living and working in my own place (age 16/17) so just went home for Sunday dinner LOL.
I don't really understand these mass shootings and why they are getting more frequent but believe the internet may have a lot to do with it now with news at the touch of a button like it is. Has there been any studies for instance?
A thread could be a good idea.
GrandmaBear
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We wouldn't have had to call anyone, one reason they were kept in the garage or at least somewhat handy, you could shoot an animal, or say you had a wild one in your yard that seemed rabid and so on or a pest digging up your yard. I honestly don't know if the rules have changed. I do know my grandson has hunted most of his life and he is responsible with a gun.
I mean like I said above at a certain age at least kids must have been able to have them as they came to school with them (kept in their trucks) but NO ONE ever shot anyone.
My thought IS kids then were raised with two parents mostly (not all but most), went to Sunday School and church, were taught rules in both school and church and at home, and so on. Seriously what else could it be? Such NEVER went on back when! Bullying went on back when, bad bullying, so not like THAT is new. Oh maybe plus the world has gone crazy.
Tresir
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We would always call the Hunt Master to take deadstock for us. They would hunt over our lands to catch the foxes in return. But not everyone had guns, so those farmers who didnt would use the Hunt Master, who didn't charge, rather than pay a vet to come and put the animal down. Now, we use a vet when necessary with our animals and pay for carcase disposal as we no longer have foxhunting here anymore.
Tresir
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Ok back to gun deaths. I found this BBC article from 2017 that was updated in 2024. Pretty interesting if anyone wants to start a thread.
www.bbc.co.uk
From above link....
Gun violence is a fixture in American life - but the issue is a highly political one, pitting gun control advocates against people who are fiercely protective of their right to bear arms.
We've looked into some of the numbers behind firearms in the US.
For each of the last four years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average.
The deadliest such attack, in Las Vegas in 2017, killed more than 50 people and left 500 wounded. The vast majority of mass shootings, however, leave fewer than 10 people dead.
That was nearly an 8% increase from 2020, which was a record-breaking year for firearm deaths.
While mass shootings and gun murders (homicides) generally garner much media attention, more than half of the total in 2021 were suicides.
That year, more than 20,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC, external.
Data shows more than 50 people are killed each day by a firearm in the US.
That's a significantly larger proportion of homicides than is the case in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, and many other countries.
The US ratio of 120.5 firearms per 100 residents, up from 88 per 100 in 2011, far surpasses that of other countries around the world.
Data from the US has suggested that gun ownership has grown significantly in recent years. A study, published by the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2021, external, found that 7.5 million US adults became new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021.
That, in turn, exposed 11 million people to firearms in their homes, including 5 million children. About half of new gun owners in that time period were women, while 40% were either black or Hispanic.
57% of Americans surveyed said they wanted stricter gun laws according to polling by Gallup, external in November 2022.
32% said the laws should remain the same, while 10% of people surveyed said they should be "made less strict".
The issue is extremely divisive, falling largely along party lines.
"Democrats are nearly unanimous in their support for stricter gun laws," another Gallup study noted, external in 2021, with nearly 91% in favour of stricter gun laws.
Only 24% Republicans, on the other hand, agreed with the same statement, along with 45% of Independent voters.
Some states have taken steps to ban or strictly regulate ownership of assault weapons. Laws vary by state but California, for example, has banned ownership of assault weapons with limited exceptions.
Some controls are widely supported by people across the political divide - such as restrictions governing the sale of guns to people who are mentally ill or on "watch" lists.
Over the last several election cycles, it, and other organisations, have consistently spent more on pro-gun rights messaging than their rivals in the gun control lobby.
A number of states have also gone as far as to largely eliminate restrictions on who can carry a gun. In June 2021, for example, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law a "permitless carry bill" that allows the state's residents to carry handguns without a licence or training.
Similarly, in 2022, Georgia became the 25th in the nation to eliminate the need for a permit to conceal or openly carry a firearm. The law means any citizen of that state has the right to carry a firearm without a licence or a permit.
The law was backed by the NRA, and leaders within the organisation called the move "a monumental moment for the Second Amendment".
How many US mass shootings have there been in 2024?
Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.
www.bbc.co.uk
From above link....
Gun violence is a fixture in American life - but the issue is a highly political one, pitting gun control advocates against people who are fiercely protective of their right to bear arms.
We've looked into some of the numbers behind firearms in the US.
Mass shootings on the rise
There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, external, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places.For each of the last four years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average.
The deadliest such attack, in Las Vegas in 2017, killed more than 50 people and left 500 wounded. The vast majority of mass shootings, however, leave fewer than 10 people dead.
How do US gun deaths break down?
48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the US during 2021, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), external.That was nearly an 8% increase from 2020, which was a record-breaking year for firearm deaths.
While mass shootings and gun murders (homicides) generally garner much media attention, more than half of the total in 2021 were suicides.
That year, more than 20,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC, external.
Data shows more than 50 people are killed each day by a firearm in the US.
That's a significantly larger proportion of homicides than is the case in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, and many other countries.
How many guns are there in the US?
While calculating the number of guns in private hands around the world is difficult, the latest figures from the Small Arms Survey - a Swiss-based research project - estimated that there were 390 million guns in circulation in the US in 2018.The US ratio of 120.5 firearms per 100 residents, up from 88 per 100 in 2011, far surpasses that of other countries around the world.
Data from the US has suggested that gun ownership has grown significantly in recent years. A study, published by the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2021, external, found that 7.5 million US adults became new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021.
That, in turn, exposed 11 million people to firearms in their homes, including 5 million children. About half of new gun owners in that time period were women, while 40% were either black or Hispanic.
Who supports gun control?
A majority of Americans are in favour of gun control.57% of Americans surveyed said they wanted stricter gun laws according to polling by Gallup, external in November 2022.
32% said the laws should remain the same, while 10% of people surveyed said they should be "made less strict".
The issue is extremely divisive, falling largely along party lines.
"Democrats are nearly unanimous in their support for stricter gun laws," another Gallup study noted, external in 2021, with nearly 91% in favour of stricter gun laws.
Only 24% Republicans, on the other hand, agreed with the same statement, along with 45% of Independent voters.
Some states have taken steps to ban or strictly regulate ownership of assault weapons. Laws vary by state but California, for example, has banned ownership of assault weapons with limited exceptions.
Some controls are widely supported by people across the political divide - such as restrictions governing the sale of guns to people who are mentally ill or on "watch" lists.
Who opposes gun control?
Despite years of financial woes and internal strife, the National Rifle Association (NRA) remains the most powerful gun lobby in the United States, with a substantial budget to influence members of Congress on gun policy.Over the last several election cycles, it, and other organisations, have consistently spent more on pro-gun rights messaging than their rivals in the gun control lobby.
A number of states have also gone as far as to largely eliminate restrictions on who can carry a gun. In June 2021, for example, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law a "permitless carry bill" that allows the state's residents to carry handguns without a licence or training.
Similarly, in 2022, Georgia became the 25th in the nation to eliminate the need for a permit to conceal or openly carry a firearm. The law means any citizen of that state has the right to carry a firearm without a licence or a permit.
The law was backed by the NRA, and leaders within the organisation called the move "a monumental moment for the Second Amendment".
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Guess Who
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When you live in an area with no age limit to carry and anybody can open carry, it sure doesn't help LE because there is nothing they can do until somebody gets shot. There could feasibly be a 10 year old running around with an assault rifle and there is nothing legally wrong with the situation.Ok back to gun deaths. I found this BBC article from 2017 that was updated in 2024. Pretty interesting if anyone wants to start a thread.
How many US mass shootings have there been in 2024?
Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.
From above link....
Gun violence is a fixture in American life - but the issue is a highly political one, pitting gun control advocates against people who are fiercely protective of their right to bear arms.
We've looked into some of the numbers behind firearms in the US.
Mass shootings on the rise
There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, external, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places.
For each of the last four years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average.
The deadliest such attack, in Las Vegas in 2017, killed more than 50 people and left 500 wounded. The vast majority of mass shootings, however, leave fewer than 10 people dead.
How do US gun deaths break down?
48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the US during 2021, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), external.
That was nearly an 8% increase from 2020, which was a record-breaking year for firearm deaths.
While mass shootings and gun murders (homicides) generally garner much media attention, more than half of the total in 2021 were suicides.
That year, more than 20,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC, external.
Data shows more than 50 people are killed each day by a firearm in the US.
That's a significantly larger proportion of homicides than is the case in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, and many other countries.
How many guns are there in the US?
While calculating the number of guns in private hands around the world is difficult, the latest figures from the Small Arms Survey - a Swiss-based research project - estimated that there were 390 million guns in circulation in the US in 2018.
The US ratio of 120.5 firearms per 100 residents, up from 88 per 100 in 2011, far surpasses that of other countries around the world.
Data from the US has suggested that gun ownership has grown significantly in recent years. A study, published by the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2021, external, found that 7.5 million US adults became new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021.
That, in turn, exposed 11 million people to firearms in their homes, including 5 million children. About half of new gun owners in that time period were women, while 40% were either black or Hispanic.
Who supports gun control?
A majority of Americans are in favour of gun control.
57% of Americans surveyed said they wanted stricter gun laws according to polling by Gallup, external in November 2022.
32% said the laws should remain the same, while 10% of people surveyed said they should be "made less strict".
The issue is extremely divisive, falling largely along party lines.
"Democrats are nearly unanimous in their support for stricter gun laws," another Gallup study noted, external in 2021, with nearly 91% in favour of stricter gun laws.
Only 24% Republicans, on the other hand, agreed with the same statement, along with 45% of Independent voters.
Some states have taken steps to ban or strictly regulate ownership of assault weapons. Laws vary by state but California, for example, has banned ownership of assault weapons with limited exceptions.
Some controls are widely supported by people across the political divide - such as restrictions governing the sale of guns to people who are mentally ill or on "watch" lists.
Who opposes gun control?
Despite years of financial woes and internal strife, the National Rifle Association (NRA) remains the most powerful gun lobby in the United States, with a substantial budget to influence members of Congress on gun policy.
Over the last several election cycles, it, and other organisations, have consistently spent more on pro-gun rights messaging than their rivals in the gun control lobby.
A number of states have also gone as far as to largely eliminate restrictions on who can carry a gun. In June 2021, for example, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law a "permitless carry bill" that allows the state's residents to carry handguns without a licence or training.
Similarly, in 2022, Georgia became the 25th in the nation to eliminate the need for a permit to conceal or openly carry a firearm. The law means any citizen of that state has the right to carry a firearm without a licence or a permit.
The law was backed by the NRA, and leaders within the organisation called the move "a monumental moment for the Second Amendment".
GrandmaBear
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Interesting.
GrandmaBear
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The NRA is a huge political machine. I read the post but not the link. The three states in gold color make perfect sense as they have very high crime rates as they contain cities like LA, Chicago and NYC. Not that there aren't others. Certain areas I'd say are stronger about gun rights like some of the south for instance. WI is. Many though would be fine with some within reason.Ok back to gun deaths. I found this BBC article from 2017 that was updated in 2024. Pretty interesting if anyone wants to start a thread.
How many US mass shootings have there been in 2024?
Explaining some of the key statistics behind gun ownership and attacks linked to guns in the US.
From above link....
Gun violence is a fixture in American life - but the issue is a highly political one, pitting gun control advocates against people who are fiercely protective of their right to bear arms.
We've looked into some of the numbers behind firearms in the US.
Mass shootings on the rise
There have been more than 488 mass shootings across the US so far in 2024, according to the Gun Violence Archive, external, which defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people are injured or killed. Their figures include shootings that happen in homes and in public places.
For each of the last four years there have been more than 600 mass shootings - almost two a day on average.
The deadliest such attack, in Las Vegas in 2017, killed more than 50 people and left 500 wounded. The vast majority of mass shootings, however, leave fewer than 10 people dead.
How do US gun deaths break down?
48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the US during 2021, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), external.
That was nearly an 8% increase from 2020, which was a record-breaking year for firearm deaths.
While mass shootings and gun murders (homicides) generally garner much media attention, more than half of the total in 2021 were suicides.
That year, more than 20,000 of the deaths were homicides, according to the CDC, external.
Data shows more than 50 people are killed each day by a firearm in the US.
That's a significantly larger proportion of homicides than is the case in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, and many other countries.
How many guns are there in the US?
While calculating the number of guns in private hands around the world is difficult, the latest figures from the Small Arms Survey - a Swiss-based research project - estimated that there were 390 million guns in circulation in the US in 2018.
The US ratio of 120.5 firearms per 100 residents, up from 88 per 100 in 2011, far surpasses that of other countries around the world.
Data from the US has suggested that gun ownership has grown significantly in recent years. A study, published by the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2021, external, found that 7.5 million US adults became new gun owners between January 2019 and April 2021.
That, in turn, exposed 11 million people to firearms in their homes, including 5 million children. About half of new gun owners in that time period were women, while 40% were either black or Hispanic.
Who supports gun control?
A majority of Americans are in favour of gun control.
57% of Americans surveyed said they wanted stricter gun laws according to polling by Gallup, external in November 2022.
32% said the laws should remain the same, while 10% of people surveyed said they should be "made less strict".
The issue is extremely divisive, falling largely along party lines.
"Democrats are nearly unanimous in their support for stricter gun laws," another Gallup study noted, external in 2021, with nearly 91% in favour of stricter gun laws.
Only 24% Republicans, on the other hand, agreed with the same statement, along with 45% of Independent voters.
Some states have taken steps to ban or strictly regulate ownership of assault weapons. Laws vary by state but California, for example, has banned ownership of assault weapons with limited exceptions.
Some controls are widely supported by people across the political divide - such as restrictions governing the sale of guns to people who are mentally ill or on "watch" lists.
Who opposes gun control?
A number of states have also gone as far as to largely eliminate restrictions on who can carry a gun. In June 2021, for example, Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law a "permitless carry bill" that allows the state's residents to carry handguns without a licence or training.
Similarly, in 2022, Georgia became the 25th in the nation to eliminate the need for a permit to conceal or openly carry a firearm. The law means any citizen of that state has the right to carry a firearm without a licence or a permit.
The law was backed by the NRA, and leaders within the organisation called the move "a monumental moment for the Second Amendment".
I don't see the need for anyone to own an assault rifle if I'm thinking of the right thing. However, also a locked up gun is not going to do anyone any good if someone breaks in. Total gun control MAY stop kids from having them perhaps but it is not going to stop a ton of the adult who get them illegally anyhow and care less about rules.
Everytime there is a mass shooting one political side rushes in and makes it a political issue and tries to use it and the victims are not even the focus.
It is a hot button issue.
GrandmaBear
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What state is that? Serious question.
Guess Who
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Mine, for one. There are multiple.
Tresir
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The figures in that article show 57% want more gun control which is pretty high.
GrandmaBear
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I don't think you can in ours, possibly with a BB gun or something more minor but that would be about it.
This happened in the southern part of the state and it is about night and day different in many a way from the northern part. The south has all of our bigger cities and I mean ALL of them basically. There is a LOT more crime down there which is natural with all the cities. Gun rights I'd say are more important in the north and I'd say for the most part in the north people still teach their kids right. My grandson was taught right. I think most do still teach them right. Not saying we don't have idiot parents up there or some meth problems things like that but I mean generally and overall, values remain I think mostly.
My grandson used to grumble when little as his dad is an avid hunter, fishermen, etc. and he'd be taken with at like 5 years old to sit in a boat or in the truck, lol, and at that age was bored with it. Along the way, however, he learned to really enjoy it and now he's pretty darned good at it all himself.
Anyhow, I don't think at like 10 years old they can run around on their own with a gun there. I'm really not up on the laws these days, more now how it used to be and I just know they get hunter safety at 12. I don't know if they even have to take that as a requirement. I'll have to ask my grandson. Not sure when will get the chance. Could text him but he is a busy soon to be graduating kid lol, he will answer me but not sure how quickly lol and the way that goes not probably going to do that. He has enough going on.
GrandmaBear
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I'd say most want some sensible gun control though. There is no reason for assault rifles, again I'm not great on the types, but I mean the things in movies that repeatedly fire etc. The rules for felons already exist and could be even stiffer as far as I'm concerned, they don't need to possess any. I think of that 57% and again I am not big on stats as I recently said elsewhere, most just want certain things like that, not a total ban on a constitutional right.
Guess Who
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There is also no reason for children to be able to walk around in public armed.
GrandmaBear
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I don't disagree with that at all. I don't think I ever said that either.
Guess Who
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Dear God, if they have their sentences reduced I'll get ill:
Menendez brothers' resentencing hearing will be next week; risk assessment says they pose moderate risk if released
Erik and Lyle Menendez's much-anticipated resentencing hearing will move forward next week.abcnews.go.com
Judge reduces Menendez brothers' murder sentences, putting them a step closer to freedom
Erik and Lyle Menendez will have a new shot at freedom after 35 years behind bars for murdering their parents, a judge ruled Friday.
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GrandmaBear
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Well they were reduced, what CA idiots.
Tresir
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I wonder if they will be charged with crimes and get 10 years and a felony record? Will be interesting to follow this as it plays out.
www.foxnews.com
Ben & Jerry's co-founder arrested protesting Senate hearing: 'RFK kills people with hate'
One of the co-founders of Ben & Jerry's was arrested while protesting Senate testimony by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., United States Capitol Police confirmed Tuesday.
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Guess Who
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Police: Mom bought ammo, tactical gear for son, who was planning ‘mass targeted violence’ at Texas school
A mom was accused of buying ammunition, tactical gear and magazines for her middle school son’s planned mass shooting at a Texas school, authorities said in court documents.
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