Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *TRIAL IN PROGRESS* (8 Viewers)

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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Guess Who said:
You think they couldn't have found those same pieces when there was only an inch or so on the ground when they were taking their leaf blowers to the crime scene? We also have no proof that they were ever found under several inches of snow because they weren't documented. The one large piece that was documented was definitely not buried. It was on top of the snow and a few days later..

The google search was proven to be at the 2am by multiple experts. The only ones that said it wasn't was the CW "expert". LE checked...:rofl:
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No they couldn't because It snowed all night, the pieces and his sneaker were on the ground and he wasnt found till 6 a.m. after laying there for 6 hours in a blizzard so how could they have searched when there was less snow? They did not know about it then. I have explained the search by Jen, who helped a friend and got sh*t for thanks for it.

The pieces were found by turning the snow over with a shovel. The officer explained that in his testimony. As they turned over shovels of snow, it revealed the pieces, they photographed them and then put them into evidence.
 
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No they couldn't because It snowed all night, the pieces and his sneaker were on the ground and he wasnt found till 6 a.m. after laying there for 6 hours in a blizzard so how could they have searched when there was less snow? They did not know about it then. I have explained the search by Jen, who helped a friend and got sh*t for thanks for it.

The pieces were found by turning the snow over with a shovel. The officer explained that in his testimony. As they turned over shovels of snow, it revealed the pieces, they photographed them and then put them into evidence.
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It had only snows a couple of inches when he was found. Why couldn't they find that then, especially with the leaf blowers? A shoe would have been sticking out since it's taller than the snow was deep. Sure seems like they would have looked hard for it when they noticed he was missing one, wouldn't they? The snow didn't pick up until much later. How would they not notice he was missing a shoe when they were "investigating"? That's auto death investigation 101. This just proves either more incompetence and/or cover up. There is no way about that.

Why would they wait days to turn snow over with a shovel??? How does that make any sense whatsoever? IF they had really saw her vehicle with a shattered taillight, they would have been combing that scene immediately with the shovels, wouldn't they? I sure wouldn't want these guys to investigate mail theft. let alone a possible murder of one of their friends. Sheesh.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
I didn't write the Reddit post so it's not ME saying anything.

The Google search was NOT PROVEN to be later. It is a point of contention. An "expert" for the prosecution is the ONLY one who says it was later.

Vanity Fair is a magazine with journalists who have covered the case. It means exactly what it says. They hired an expert to review the search information.


The prosecution’s expert said the 2:27 a.m. time stamp “is not indicative of the time of the search,” claiming that McCabe could have searched in a window opened at 2:27 a.m. Vanity Fair asked Umit Karabiyik, a PhD at Purdue’s Department of Computer and Information Technology who specializes in iPhone artifacts and the limitations of digital forensics, to evaluate the prosecution’s expert testimony as well as an affidavit from Read’s expert. “Based on my research and expertise, I concur with what I see in the Affidavit from Richard Green,” Karabiyik emailed VF, referring to Read’s expert. Though the browser tab was opened earlier than the searches, Karabiyik said, “The time stamp for the search items is recorded for searches [and] stored in the database, not the time of the tab opening.” He noted that Green additionally verified the search times with associated WAL files that are occasionally overlooked.
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You stated they were the biggest points for you and quoted them. So i addressed them therefore. I dont see why Vanity Fair are getting their own experts anyway. LE have proved the case IMO. They are the ones prosecuting, not VF.

Yes there was a window open already in her phone so when she did that search at KR's screamed request it came up at that prior time.

The biggest points for me are that at least 3 witnesses heard her claiming she did it, she went straight to where his body lay, though neither of the other two could see him, and she was in a hysterical state. The fact the other two couldn't see him also explains why the plough driver didn't see him either. You would have to know what you were looking for and where to look as KR clearly knew.
 
Guess Who said:
And don't forget the hair that stayed in place, resting on the bumper during that same 30+ minute tow in a blizzard that even moved in the sally port video with no wind. :rolleyes:
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That's easy to explain as it was likely anchored in one of the cracked parts of the taillight. Or frozen on with a covering of ice that melted slowly and the hair then moved slightly. It's not hard for me to believe a hair can stay in place for 24 hours or more when hair is being used to identify LISK victims after being on the bodies and yet out in the elements for decades.
 
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It had only snows a couple of inches when he was found. Why couldn't they find that then, especially with the leaf blowers? A shoe would have been sticking out since it's taller than the snow was deep. Sure seems like they would have looked hard for it when they noticed he was missing one, wouldn't they? The snow didn't pick up until much later. How would they not notice he was missing a shoe when they were "investigating"? That's auto death investigation 101. This just proves either more incompetence and/or cover up. There is no way about that.

Why would they wait days to turn snow over with a shovel??? How does that make any sense whatsoever? IF they had really saw her vehicle with a shattered taillight, they would have been combing that scene immediately with the shovels, wouldn't they? I sure wouldn't want these guys to investigate mail theft. let alone a possible murder of one of their friends. Sheesh.
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They did note he was missing a shoe. They found the shoe against the kerb and photographed it in situe as they retrieved it. They used the snow blower to lightly take the top layer off carefully- its in the officer's testimony. I'm not aware they waited days to shovel the snow. Wouldn't it have melted by then? Anyway they didn't shovel in the normal way. They used the shovel to turn over and inspect each shovel methodically. Have you heard his testimony?
 
Tresir said:
I dont see why Vanity Fair are getting their own experts anyway.
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Because that’s what journalists do?
“The prosecution says this, and the defense says that. So we wanted to find out for ourselves.”

Tresir said:
Yes there was a window open already in her phone so when she did that search at KR's screamed request it came up at that prior time.
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That’s just not how that works.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
Because that’s what journalists do?
“The prosecution says this, and the defense says that. So we wanted to find out for ourselves.”


That’s just not how that works.
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That was how it was explained in court under oath. Are you saying they lied?

Here's Reddit's explanation too if you prefer that.

 
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Tresir said:
I thought one person saw something and commented but then ran and got in the car? If they said they didn't see anything, that doesn't mean he wasn't there. The lawn is actually slightly down hill and they were probably near the driveway and nowhere near the flagpole area. Also, they had all been drinking. KR supposedly didn't realise she had even hit him till later when he did not come home.

When you say they searched in daylight and then 10 hours later are you talking the same day eg. 9 a.m and 7 p.m. for example? How did JO's trainer get to the crime scene? You think they planted that too under several inches of snow?

What do you mean "Vanity Fair" hired an expert? Who are they and why would D need to talk to them?

That google search by Jen was proved to be later. The phone had an app still open that made it appear the search was done at that time, but LE checked and it wasn't.
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Boy I go down for the count for an hour and come back and here is all the same stuff or back and forth. Personally I wouldn't even bother in this one. A good debate is one thing but some cases, it isn't what it is.
 
Guess Who said:
You think they couldn't have found those same pieces when there was only an inch or so on the ground when they were taking their leaf blowers to the crime scene? We also have no proof that they were ever found under several inches of snow because they weren't documented. The one large piece that was documented was definitely not buried. It was on top of the snow and a few days later..

The google search was proven to be at the 2am by multiple experts. The only ones that said it wasn't was the CW "expert". LE checked...:rofl:
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Serious question. Have you watched one bit of THIS trial? You are touting all the old stuff that is always touted. Same things that you've always claimed.
 
Guess Who said:
You think they couldn't have found those same pieces when there was only an inch or so on the ground when they were taking their leaf blowers to the crime scene? We also have no proof that they were ever found under several inches of snow because they weren't documented. The one large piece that was documented was definitely not buried. It was on top of the snow and a few days later..

The google search was proven to be at the 2am by multiple experts. The only ones that said it wasn't was the CW "expert". LE checked...:rofl:
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Did you listen to the expert in this trial on that very fact? Google search was not at 2 a.m. And one can debate without being nasty by the way.

I think it absolutely ridiculous that anyone who could possibly believe the defense story and I could roll eyes and lay down chuckling too but I don't. Just saying. I doubt KR is your cousin so that's not what it is about with the need to do so.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Boy I go down for the count for an hour and come back and here is all the same stuff or back and forth. Personally I wouldn't even bother in this one. A good debate is one thing but some cases, it isn't what it is.
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When i see BS i have to respond. It's in my nature. I also dislike criticism of LE for personal reasons.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Did you listen to the expert in this trial on that very fact? Google search was not at 2 a.m. And one can debate without being nasty by the way.

I think it absolutely ridiculous that anyone who could possibly believe the defense story and I could roll eyes and lay down chuckling too but I don't. Just saying. I doubt KR is your cousin so that's not what it is about with the need to do so.
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Some people like arguing for the sake of it. Or they haven't heard the experts testimony, I guess.

I have to be heading for bedding soon.
 
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Tresir said:
When i see BS i have to respond. It's in my nature. I also dislike criticism of LE for personal reasons.
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Oh I don't blame ya. I didn't even try to read all. I've heard it all before. Many a time. Funny thing is, this trial has covered many of those things already. And more.
 
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