JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Tresir · Apr 17, 2025

So the jury are going to be with their families over Easter and will have to avoid hearing or talking about their case. That's going to be hard.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Tresir said:
So the jury are going to be with their families over Easter and will have to avoid hearing or talking about their case. That's going to be hard.

I don't know. They already had one weekend. They know the rules. And personally like if I was with my family on Easter a criminal trial would be the last thing that would ever come up on conversation for the rest of them. If they know they are serving someone might ask, but they just need to say I can tell you afterwards all about it but not now. We kind of "live" crime but most people don't in my experience. They only have a few days and then they will be near their end and into deliberations.

If someone talks about it, it is someone who would have broken the rules in the first place. Let's hope they are all serious jurors and there's none of that. I'd think they'd welcome the break to just talk family and have Easter, etc.

I'd add too that most people other than the people right in their household probably don't even know they are serving on a jury.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Tresir said:
So nothing tomorrow or Friday? So jury goes home for 4 days to come back Monday for closing? And they have to avoid seeing or hearing anything about the case till then right? Why not do closing tomorrow then?

There is the hammering out of the jury instructions today but the jury doesn't have to be there. Also Lori has not formally rested in front of the jury so far as I saw and that means she can still change her mind on a defense. She was going to let the judge know though as he said it would change the schedule, instructions, etc. so he needs to know.

I think I caught up. I feel asleep during part of it last night, nothing new there, but I backed it up and think I saw the whole day's worth of testimony, etc. I crammed in however many hours it was mostly last night and then the rest this morning. Boy I was kind of glad of the schedule he did here, take out the breaks and 1.5 hours for lunch and it at least wasn't as many hours as it could have been. Still enough though when playing catch up after a long day. I crammed it all in basically. I wasn't sure exactly where I dozed off but think I backed it up enough, and if I missed anything it wasn't much.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

So my biggest takeaway here is they were planning to kill Adam and Zak, SOON. The Summer thing was a stark reminder of what I recall thinking back when and where some of it came from.

While Lori likely would have gained no $$$ re Adam and Zak, just like Charles they were interfering with her plans and kind of "onto her". I'd say after he knew Charles was dead, Adam was very onto that they did it. There is NO WAY here that wasn't the plan and the Nephi reference when she told Alex Adam and Zak were Zs just confirms it.

They sure brought up Chad more at the end than they did the entire trial. I figured it would come with the text messages and the ending witnesses. Some in Nate's chat last night were asking why this or that wasn't played, like Charles' begging the police for help with her. It seemed he talked to Rachel Smith and asked some of those questions and she said they are doing this very clean and careful and there will be little chance on appeal and it was a decision probably made. I do think bringing in some of the other things that they maybe could have would have helped but I also get it. They sure hinted in the last day there is a ton more not shared.

The P really had to dance around a lot. They finally got in what the Z stood for in the messages but it had to be done in kind of a roundabout, laying foundation way for lack of better words.

One thing I noticed that I hope the jury picks up on is it was pointed out Chad and Lori married four months later. It was never said though of course why Chad wasn't married when it was clear he had been just earlier in testimony when Charles was notifying or texting Lori, Chad AND Tammy. So if they paid attn they know he had a wife during this time period right before Charles died so I hope they wondered what happened to her. Getting a final divorce in four months is about unheard of and being able to remarry...

There were a few people defending Summer in Nate's chat last night. Nate really didn't touch the Summer and Janice subject until someone asked.

I find it pretty hard to think she did not know more. I knew from back when or thought they knew and that she was part of sending Alex to stay at Lori's and so on. Lori may have had her thinking it was just over the troubles and the intervention, but I don't know. Adam's flight itinerary and stuff is hard to explain why Lori should need that... If she just wanted to know when she was safe from the intervention, she doesn't need the details, just tell her when Adam has left town... That he and Zak were the last of the 24. I honestly don't recall if I knew of any "24" back when...

I mean it is pretty clear she wants to take these two out and soon. Imo. They were messing up her plans as was Charles. Imo.

RoundPeg · Apr 17, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
So my biggest takeaway here is they were planning to kill Adam and Zak, SOON. The Summer thing was a stark reminder of what I recall thinking back when and where some of it came from.

While Lori likely would have gained no $$$ re Adam and Zak, just like Charles they were interfering with her plans and kind of "onto her". I'd say after he knew Charles was dead, Adam was very onto that they did it. There is NO WAY here that wasn't the plan and the Nephi reference when she told Alex Adam and Zak were Zs just confirms it.

They sure brought up Chad more at the end than they did the entire trial. I figured it would come with the text messages and the ending witnesses. Some in Nate's chat last night were asking why this or that wasn't played, like Charles' begging the police for help with her. It seemed he talked to Rachel Smith and asked some of those questions and she said they are doing this very clean and careful and there will be little chance on appeal and it was a decision probably made. I do think bringing in some of the other things that they maybe could have would have helped but I also get it. They sure hinted in the last day there is a ton more not shared.

The P really had to dance around a lot. They finally got in what the Z stood for in the messages but it had to be done in kind of a roundabout, laying foundation way for lack of better words.

One thing I noticed that I hope the jury picks up on is it was pointed out Chad and Lori married four months later. It was never said though of course why Chad wasn't married when it was clear he had been just earlier in testimony when Charles was notifying or texting Lori, Chad AND Tammy. So if they paid attn they know he had a wife during this time period right before Charles died so I hope they wondered what happened to her. Getting a final divorce in four months is about unheard of and being able to remarry...

There were a few people defending Summer in Nate's chat last night. Nate really didn't touch the Summer and Janice subject until someone asked.

I find it pretty hard to think she did not know more. I knew from back when or thought they knew and that she was part of sending Alex to stay at Lori's and so on. Lori may have had her thinking it was just over the troubles and the intervention, but I don't know. Adam's flight itinerary and stuff is hard to explain why Lori should need that... If she just wanted to know when she was safe from the intervention, she doesn't need the details, just tell her when Adam has left town... That he and Zak were the last of the 24. I honestly don't recall if I knew of any "24" back when...

I mean it is pretty clear she wants to take these two out and soon. Imo. They were messing up her plans as was Charles. Imo.

Is there a complete list of the 24? I'd be interested in knowing how many of them are still alive.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

RoundPeg said:
Is there a complete list of the 24? I'd be interested in knowing how many of them are still alive.

I don't know. That's a good question. I think we could guess at some. I mean I think they labeled Brandon and of course shot at him, the kids, Tammy, Charles, now Adam and Zak, Mel's kids I believe were on it (assuming kids count towards the 24, I really don't recall the 24 thing if we ever knew...?). I didn't count, how many is that lol. I think she had some detective as dark back when, think it might have been Hermasillo.

He actually did an interview with Colby I guess that should be coming up soon.

I don't know that there is a list that has ever been seen. I just know she said those two were number 23 and 24 I believe is what she was saying so I take it there was a list of 24 they knew they had to take out.

Kind of interesting other than Tammy almost all we know of were on her side of things...

Tresir · Apr 17, 2025

Z = Charles, Tammy, Tylee, JJ, Brandon, Adam, Zac. That's 7 so who can think of any more?
Yep, the detectives. What about Mel G and David, Kay and Larry? Was Colby ever a Z? And Joe Ryan? Alex? Mel's four kids would make 20 so maybe Charles' kids too for 24.

Tresir · Apr 17, 2025

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/chandler/2025/04/16/i-will-be-like-nephi-lori-vallow-daybell-text-revealed-in-court/83125656007/

Story Summary

Lori Vallow Daybell exchanged messages with her brother, Alex Cox, about becoming "like Nephi" two days before Cox fatally shot Charles Vallow, prosecutors said.
Lori Daybell used a fake email account to communicate with Chad Daybell months before the shooting, inviting him to visit, the state said.
After the shooting, Lori Daybell sent Chad Daybell images of Charles Vallow's $1 million life insurance policy, according to a Chandler police detective.

The state rested its murder conspiracy case against Lori Vallow Daybell on April 16, presenting messages offering a glimpse into her unraveling marriage to Charles Vallow.

While Daybell, acting as her own attorney, said she had not decided whether to testify, she told the court she did not plan to present any other evidence in her defense. Closing arguments were expected to begin before the jury at 10:30 a.m. on April 21.

One of the messages presented on the prosecution's final day of introducing evidence was a cryptic note Daybell wrote to her brother, Alex Cox, just two days before Cox fatally shot Vallow in the couple's Chandler home.

“I would be like Nephi, I am told — and so will you.”

The message, presented in court by prosecutor Treena Kay, was part of a series of digital records pulled from Daybell’s iCloud account.

Lori Daybell also messaged Chad Daybell, the man she married after Vallow's death, months before the shooting, using an email account under the name “Karen Walker” with the address kkwalker75@yahoo.com.

Nathan Duncan, a detective with the Chandler Police Department, testified on April 16 that Lori Daybell created the email account in April 2019, a few months before Vallow was killed.

Messages from the account, which Vallow later discovered and saved to his iCloud account, were sent to Chad Daybell in April 2019. The account was used to invite Chad Daybell first to Houston, where Lori Daybell — then Lori Vallow — was staying with Charles Vallow, and then to Arizona after Lori Daybell had moved there.

In one email, Lori Daybell — posing as her husband Charles Vallow — asked Chad Daybell to help write a book about Charles Vallow’s baseball career, Duncan testified.

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The Lori Vallow case: 'Doomsday Mom' who killed her children
Lori and Chad Vallow believed in an imminent apocalypse and that people around them were evil "zombies," according to court records.
Charles Vallow discovered the messages in June 2019 and emailed Chad Daybell and his wife, Tammy Daybell, warning them of an alleged affair.

He also forwarded the emails to his brother-in-law, Adam Cox, expressing fears about his wife's increasingly erratic behavior, according to messages presented in court.

In the days leading up to the shooting, Lori Daybell and her brother Alex Cox exchanged several cryptic text messages that referenced evil spirits and spiritual transformation.

On July 9, 2019, messages showed Lori Daybell texted Alex Cox: “Thank you for standing by me. It’s all coming to a head this week. I will be like Nephi, I am told! And so will you.”

Nephi is a revered figure in the Book of Mormon who is commanded by God to slay another man, Duncan testified.

On July 11, 2019, Alex Cox shot Charles Vallow and claimed self-defense.

Minutes after Charles Vallow was believed to have been shot, Alex Cox called Lori Daybell twice before calling police, Duncan said.

Messages revealed that weeks after the shooting, Lori Daybell sent Chad Daybell — saved in her phone contacts under the nickname “Bubby” — a set of images showing Charles Vallow’s $1 million life insurance policy.

“On July 28, Lori Vallow is sending photographs of the life insurance policy — original and the change — to Chad Daybell,” Duncan said.

Daybell, who is representing herself, has already been convicted in Idaho in the deaths of her children, Tylee Ryan, 16, and Joshua "J.J." Vallow, 7, and in conspiring to kill Tammy Daybell. All three were killed in the months after Charles Vallow's shooting.

Lori Daybell has come to be known as the "Doomsday Mom" because of the apocalyptic beliefs she shared with Chad Daybell.

'Cheek to cheek' messages between Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell

Later on April 16, prosecutors walked jurors through messages between Lori Daybell and her niece, Melanie Boudreaux, and romantic texts with Chad Daybell.

Among the messages was one from Lori Daybell to Melanie Boudreaux: “It’s coming to a head. This week will change everything.”

The two women discussed how Melanie Boudreaux could pretend to be sick in order to remain close to her husband, Brandon Boudreaux, without raising suspicion — a tactic Duncan testified was used to monitor Brandon Boudreaux’s movements.

Lori Daybell replied with support and guidance, calling Melanie’s decision part of her "mission."

Prosecutors have alleged that Lori Daybell was involved in a failed attempt to murder Brandon Boudreaux, who survived a shooting in October 2019.

Boudreaux was described as “z” — zombie — in messages between Lori Daybell and Alex Cox, Duncan and Kay said.

Prosecutors showed increasingly intimate messages between Lori Daybell and Chad Daybell after the July 11, 2019, fatal shooting of Charles Vallow.

“I need to see you. Cheek to cheek,” Lori Daybell texted Chad Daybell.

“I need to see you too. Loin to loin,” Chad Daybell responded.

Duncan testified that before the killing, the messages between Lori Daybell and Chad Daybell, while frequent, were not overtly romantic.

In a July 18, 2019, message, Lori Daybell told Chad Daybell she wouldn’t be receiving her husband's life insurance payout, to which she previously believed she was entitled. She had called the insurance company, the message said.

"He changed it in March. So it was probably Ned before we got rid of him,” Lori Daybell wrote, referring to her deceased husband as “Ned,” a name Lori Daybell had previously used to describe someone she believed was possessed. “They can't tell me to who of course but it's done."

She would still get $4,000 a month from Social Security, the message continued.

Detective said he could not say if 'Nephi' reference was about killing

During her cross-examination of Duncan, Lori Daybell pressed him on a message in which she referenced the Book of Mormon figure Nephi — a passage prosecutors earlier implied was a coded order to kill.

“Do you have knowledge that my text message meant that at all?” Lori Daybell asked.

“No,” Duncan replied.

Lori Daybell also scrutinized the Chandler Police Department’s decision not to test a baseball bat for trace amounts of blood, pointing out that the bat had been swabbed but never analyzed. Lori Daybell said the bat was used during the altercation that ended with Charles Vallow’s death.

Duncan said that investigators did not see any visible blood, so they did not test it.

She argued the results could have revealed whether her brother Alex Cox had ever touched the bat or whether Charles Vallow had held it during a struggle. Tylee said in her interview that Charles Vallow took the bat from her, Lori Daybell said.

The judge sustained an objection to that question, instructing the jury to disregard the reference to Tylee’s police interview, which was not admitted as evidence.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Tresir said:
Z = Charles, Tammy, Tylee, JJ, Brandon, Adam, Zac. That's 7 so who can think of any more?
Yep, the detectives. What about Mel G and David, Kay and Larry? Was Colby ever a Z? And Joe Ryan? Alex? Mel's four kids would make 20 so maybe Charles' kids too for 24.

I thought of those and don't think so. Maybe once she got mad at Mel G but doubtful since this was number 23 and 24 before that. Mel's kids I'd count. I don't know of Colby ever being a G but who knows and his wife may have been, Lori did not like her. Hard to say. The rest may be detectives and so on. I wonder if they ever traded anyone in and out. Lol. Because it seemed to be as needed and who was the problem at the time. I say lol but of course it's not funny at all in another respect that they were going to kill these people.

And did with several. I wonder if Alex became "dark". As to Joe, that would have seemed to be before she got into this stuff but who knows... I honestly have always suspected she met Chad before what is established but that's just a theory of mine.

Kimster · Apr 17, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Yeah that whole family is not good, or most of them I should say, not all. I think a lot of this has faded or been forgotte for us. I forgave Summer SOME when she confronted Lori over the kids and was so devastated but there's always been the hints about Janice and Summer at minimum.

This is a lesson about looking the other way when your family members are behaving badly.

Kimster · Apr 17, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Well I didn't really get to watch but it sounds like you are over thinking the jury won't see her as guilty then?

I don’t know what the jury is going to think. I never know after the Casey Anthony trial.
Duncan‘s testimony was very good though. After he testified, I feel better that the jury will get it.

Kimster · Apr 17, 2025

RoundPeg said:
Is there a complete list of the 24? I'd be interested in knowing how many of them are still alive.

I don’t know. We probably would need to pull up the light and dark list that they had going.

Kimster · Apr 17, 2025

Tresir said:
Z = Charles, Tammy, Tylee, JJ, Brandon, Adam, Zac. That's 7 so who can think of any more?
Yep, the detectives. What about Mel G and David, Kay and Larry? Was Colby ever a Z? And Joe Ryan? Alex? Mel's four kids would make 20 so maybe Charles' kids too for 24.

Colby wasn’t a Z but his wife was.

Kimster · Apr 17, 2025

It’s not just here. On the silver linings Facebook page people are discussing that they were surprised that Summer is the one that blew the whistle on the intervention plan, too.

This case is so crazy. We will never ever know everything about it.

RoundPeg · Apr 17, 2025

Kimster said:
It’s not just here. On the silver linings Facebook page people are discussing that they were surprised that Summer is the one that blew the whistle on the intervention plan, too.

This case is so crazy. We will never ever know everything about it.

Way back when, Summer was a solid defender of Lori. If I recall the timing, she turned on her with a vengeance when Tylee and JJ were found in Chad’s yard.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Tresir said:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/chandler/2025/04/16/i-will-be-like-nephi-lori-vallow-daybell-text-revealed-in-court/83125656007/

Story Summary

Lori Vallow Daybell exchanged messages with her brother, Alex Cox, about becoming "like Nephi" two days before Cox fatally shot Charles Vallow, prosecutors said.

Lori Daybell used a fake email account to communicate with Chad Daybell months before the shooting, inviting him to visit, the state said.

After the shooting, Lori Daybell sent Chad Daybell images of Charles Vallow's $1 million life insurance policy, according to a Chandler police detective.

The state rested its murder conspiracy case against Lori Vallow Daybell on April 16, presenting messages offering a glimpse into her unraveling marriage to Charles Vallow.

While Daybell, acting as her own attorney, said she had not decided whether to testify, she told the court she did not plan to present any other evidence in her defense. Closing arguments were expected to begin before the jury at 10:30 a.m. on April 21.

One of the messages presented on the prosecution's final day of introducing evidence was a cryptic note Daybell wrote to her brother, Alex Cox, just two days before Cox fatally shot Vallow in the couple's Chandler home.

“I would be like Nephi, I am told — and so will you.”

The message, presented in court by prosecutor Treena Kay, was part of a series of digital records pulled from Daybell’s iCloud account.

Lori Daybell also messaged Chad Daybell, the man she married after Vallow's death, months before the shooting, using an email account under the name “Karen Walker” with the address kkwalker75@yahoo.com.

Nathan Duncan, a detective with the Chandler Police Department, testified on April 16 that Lori Daybell created the email account in April 2019, a few months before Vallow was killed.

Messages from the account, which Vallow later discovered and saved to his iCloud account, were sent to Chad Daybell in April 2019. The account was used to invite Chad Daybell first to Houston, where Lori Daybell — then Lori Vallow — was staying with Charles Vallow, and then to Arizona after Lori Daybell had moved there.

In one email, Lori Daybell — posing as her husband Charles Vallow — asked Chad Daybell to help write a book about Charles Vallow’s baseball career, Duncan testified.

View |27 Photos
The Lori Vallow case: 'Doomsday Mom' who killed her children
Lori and Chad Vallow believed in an imminent apocalypse and that people around them were evil "zombies," according to court records.
Charles Vallow discovered the messages in June 2019 and emailed Chad Daybell and his wife, Tammy Daybell, warning them of an alleged affair.

He also forwarded the emails to his brother-in-law, Adam Cox, expressing fears about his wife's increasingly erratic behavior, according to messages presented in court.

In the days leading up to the shooting, Lori Daybell and her brother Alex Cox exchanged several cryptic text messages that referenced evil spirits and spiritual transformation.

On July 9, 2019, messages showed Lori Daybell texted Alex Cox: “Thank you for standing by me. It’s all coming to a head this week. I will be like Nephi, I am told! And so will you.”

Nephi is a revered figure in the Book of Mormon who is commanded by God to slay another man, Duncan testified.

On July 11, 2019, Alex Cox shot Charles Vallow and claimed self-defense.

Minutes after Charles Vallow was believed to have been shot, Alex Cox called Lori Daybell twice before calling police, Duncan said.

Messages revealed that weeks after the shooting, Lori Daybell sent Chad Daybell — saved in her phone contacts under the nickname “Bubby” — a set of images showing Charles Vallow’s $1 million life insurance policy.

“On July 28, Lori Vallow is sending photographs of the life insurance policy — original and the change — to Chad Daybell,” Duncan said.

Daybell, who is representing herself, has already been convicted in Idaho in the deaths of her children, Tylee Ryan, 16, and Joshua "J.J." Vallow, 7, and in conspiring to kill Tammy Daybell. All three were killed in the months after Charles Vallow's shooting.

Lori Daybell has come to be known as the "Doomsday Mom" because of the apocalyptic beliefs she shared with Chad Daybell.

'Cheek to cheek' messages between Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell
Later on April 16, prosecutors walked jurors through messages between Lori Daybell and her niece, Melanie Boudreaux, and romantic texts with Chad Daybell.

Among the messages was one from Lori Daybell to Melanie Boudreaux: “It’s coming to a head. This week will change everything.”

The two women discussed how Melanie Boudreaux could pretend to be sick in order to remain close to her husband, Brandon Boudreaux, without raising suspicion — a tactic Duncan testified was used to monitor Brandon Boudreaux’s movements.

Lori Daybell replied with support and guidance, calling Melanie’s decision part of her "mission."

Prosecutors have alleged that Lori Daybell was involved in a failed attempt to murder Brandon Boudreaux, who survived a shooting in October 2019.

Boudreaux was described as “z” — zombie — in messages between Lori Daybell and Alex Cox, Duncan and Kay said.

Prosecutors showed increasingly intimate messages between Lori Daybell and Chad Daybell after the July 11, 2019, fatal shooting of Charles Vallow.

“I need to see you. Cheek to cheek,” Lori Daybell texted Chad Daybell.

“I need to see you too. Loin to loin,” Chad Daybell responded.

Duncan testified that before the killing, the messages between Lori Daybell and Chad Daybell, while frequent, were not overtly romantic.

In a July 18, 2019, message, Lori Daybell told Chad Daybell she wouldn’t be receiving her husband's life insurance payout, to which she previously believed she was entitled. She had called the insurance company, the message said.

"He changed it in March. So it was probably Ned before we got rid of him,” Lori Daybell wrote, referring to her deceased husband as “Ned,” a name Lori Daybell had previously used to describe someone she believed was possessed. “They can't tell me to who of course but it's done."

She would still get $4,000 a month from Social Security, the message continued.

Detective said he could not say if 'Nephi' reference was about killing
During her cross-examination of Duncan, Lori Daybell pressed him on a message in which she referenced the Book of Mormon figure Nephi — a passage prosecutors earlier implied was a coded order to kill.

“Do you have knowledge that my text message meant that at all?” Lori Daybell asked.

“No,” Duncan replied.

Lori Daybell also scrutinized the Chandler Police Department’s decision not to test a baseball bat for trace amounts of blood, pointing out that the bat had been swabbed but never analyzed. Lori Daybell said the bat was used during the altercation that ended with Charles Vallow’s death.

Duncan said that investigators did not see any visible blood, so they did not test it.

She argued the results could have revealed whether her brother Alex Cox had ever touched the bat or whether Charles Vallow had held it during a struggle. Tylee said in her interview that Charles Vallow took the bat from her, Lori Daybell said.

The judge sustained an objection to that question, instructing the jury to disregard the reference to Tylee’s police interview, which was not admitted as evidence.

Pretty good article. I think it is pretty darned clear what their messages mean. Of course we know more than the jury. It is still clear though.

They talk flat out about having gotten rid of Ned. That point I think or hope will be pressed home in closings among many. It's all here when the jury puts it together imo. Not as much as we know but it still all comes together for a pretty good picture of her guilt imo.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

RoundPeg said:
Way back when, Summer was a solid defender of Lori. If I recall the timing, she turned on her with a vengeance when Tylee and JJ were found in Chad’s yard.

I listened to her again the other night. it was heartbreaking, she was obviously terribly upset. In that though she did keep saying if Lori would just tell her the truth, that she would still defend her... Thinking about that later it bothered me... So no matter what the truth was, would she have? I mean there's no DOUBT she's upset and devastated about the kids, she is also upset that she never told her or their mom.

It's been a long time ago but I think Summer dabbled in Lori's beliefs or maybe she said she attended a thing or two just to kind of go along, show an interest, see what it was about, I can't really recall.

She was so upset in that call it is hard to see anything else but I don't know that I think Summer can really turn on Lori permanently and it sure does seem like she played her part here before the kids... It's hard to know what she knew or was told...

She was at MINIMUM playing right into Lori's hand with Charles, Alex and helping her, Adam and Zak.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Kimster said:
This is a lesson about looking the other way when your family members are behaving badly.

IF that's all it was.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Kimster said:
I don’t know what the jury is going to think. I never know after the Casey Anthony trial.
Duncan‘s testimony was very good though. After he testified, I feel better that the jury will get it.

I don't let that bother me, or OJ. I consider them anomalies and both imo had other reasons for such.

Yes, he was very STRONG and I think it was entirely clear that more is known that they were not sharing or could not share. I think the text messages make it entirely clear, and the fact they went to phone calls when wanting to discuss plans, and adding the Nephi thing to the death, and more, it is all there. The life insurance, the SS, the 24. All of it.

GrandmaBear · Apr 17, 2025

Kimster said:
Colby wasn’t a Z but his wife was.

That's what I think too.

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JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

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Detective said he could not say if 'Nephi' reference was about killing

'Cheek to cheek' messages between Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell

Detective said he could not say if 'Nephi' reference was about killing