CA ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA - 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4 *GUILTY* (2 Viewers)

Adoptive parents of missing 3 and 4 year-old California City kids speak out for the first time

New details emerge about the night the toddlers Orson and Orrin West disappeared. Wednesday night we hear from their adoptive parents for the first time.

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MEDIA - ORRIN WEST & ORSON WEST: Missing from California City, CA since 21 Dec 2020 - Age 3 & 4

 

[GrandmaBear]

Sadly, I think that if they believed the boys were still alive, we'd be hearing a lot more from law enforcement.

I guess that's exactly what I was trying to say but you put it better. The lack of hearing anything from LE seems to indicate that. I have not felt they are alive in this case from the beginning anyhow, just based on things. There are more people than normal out there though mentioning trafficking/the boys sold. I just do not think that is usually the case but a ton of people go there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I guess since it is a fact (I just looked for the GFM account), I can mention here that the bio mother started a funding account for legal expenses I gather to get custody back. I am pretty torn on what I think about this... First, the obvious logical thought is one has to find the kids alive first to even need money for an attorney to get custody back. Others must feel the same as I just looked and there is not much for donations. Perhaps there are other reasons but the reason stated is this is the reason stated is "attorney fees for my babies"...

 

[Kimster]

Linda released a video about their body language yesterday. I was disappointed she didn’t talk about the eyes, but perhaps she’s not aware of eye language.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Linda released a video about their body language yesterday. I was disappointed she didn’t talk about the eyes, but perhaps she’s not aware of eye language.

She mentioned his rapid blinking and his looking down if it is the one I watched when I could not sleep. Nothing more than that though I don't think and nothing about the AM although she did mention she almost never looks at the reporter or anyone. I wanted to hear more that way too.

With crimes, I really hate the mask thing ya know? One can see the person's eyes but not a tightening of the lip or a smirk, wrinkling of the nose, etc.

 

[Kimster]

She mentioned his rapid blinking and his looking down if it is the one I watched when I could not sleep. Nothing more than that though I don't think and nothing about the AM although she did mention she almost never looks at the reporter or anyone. I wanted to hear more that way too.

With crimes, I really hate the mask thing ya know? One can see the person's eyes but not a tightening of the lip or a smirk, wrinkling of the nose, etc.

I agree with her that the repeating each other means "yeah, he/she got the story straight".

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree with her that the repeating each other means "yeah, he/she got the story straight".

Totally. That actually was one of the first things I picked up on. Linda called it "echoing"... I took it more as "reminders" of the story, usually her to him... Then he would parrot or as Linda said echo what she said and insert it in what he was saying... It was to me as if she was reminding him of their script and something he forgot, in order even...

 

[GrandmaBear]

In a later view, I realized how she nodded her head basically throughout... It is funny how that happens when you watch something over and over... I generally do not want to watch something twice plus it takes time... But each time you pick something new up if you do... I like Linda in that she does all that work for us

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Total of $50,000 now offered in missing California City boys case

California City approved a $25,000 reward in the case of the two boys reported missing in the community, back on Dec. 21.

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Total of $50,000 now offered in missing California City boys case​

California City approved a $25,000 reward in the case of the two boys reported missing in the community, back on Dec. 21.

The reward was requested by Cal City manager Anna Linn and was unanimously approved by council members during a special meeting Thursday evening.

Linn said the amount matches the $25,000 reward announced by three businesses in recent days, for a total of $50,000.

In the meantime, Cal City police, the Kern County Sheriff’s Office, the FBI, and the Bakersfield Police Department continue their investigation.

 

[Kimster]

I’m glad to see the town get behind these boys! I’m hoping the added pressure brings out the truth.

 

[GrandmaBear]

AV Watchmen is supposed to be doing a live this morning and are going up to the Bakersfield house and area. They have had quite a few videos. They are the ones above who got the neighbor's surveillance.

 

[Kimster]

AV Watchmen is supposed to be doing a live this morning and are going up to the Bakersfield house and area. They have had quite a few videos. They are the ones above who got the neighbor's surveillance.

This Ought to be interesting.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Haven't found the one they were supposed to do yet but here is one by AV that starts out with PI Bill Garcia who, if I caught it right, decided to invest his own time (no one hired him) in helping to find out info/search for these boys. Pretty well know PI. I needed my volume up for him but then back down some when the AV reporter came on just as a heads up. Fairly short--about 14 minutes.

 

[Kimster]

Haven't found the one they were supposed to do yet but here is one by AV that starts out with PI Bill Garcia who, if I caught it right, decided to invest his own time (no one hired him) in helping to find out info/search for these boys. Pretty well know PI. I needed my volume up for him but then back down some when the AV reporter came on just as a heads up. Fairly short--about 14 minutes.

I think he said he worked on the Amber Dubois case, didn’t he? I couldn’t hear it very well

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think he said he worked on the Amber Dubois case, didn’t he? I couldn’t hear it very well

Yep. He was hard to hear. I had the volume way up on him. The minute I saw his name, I recognized it/it rang a bell but I could not have told you from what cases.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Partial Human Remains Located in a Bag near Rosamond

ROSAMOND, Ca. - Authorities are not releasing any information about the age, sex, or race of a deceased person found

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Although the remains will be identified by the Coroner’s office at a later time, authorities are confirming the body is not those of two adopted boys who went missing on December 21, 2020.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So if you watched the long video the other day of the neighbor's surveillance camera, we already saw where the dad took a quick trip with the van and then stood under a tree for 10 to 15 minutes not even looking for the boys waiting for the cops.

In this one, they now backed up further and started watching to see if he was ever throwing firewood, etc. to about an hour before I think it was. So they finally see him from the start of this alleged timelin and one can tell the gate is open as he is going in and out of it. You can't tell what he is doing, whether anything with wood or what. He is never more than a foot or two away from the gate. It continues to where he went back in the house as he said and came back out. There is never one sign of any boys. He then does not go searching the back yard, the lot or around the house, etc. He never searches the front yard nor does he check the other direction when he does his little drive. He never walks anywhere looking. There is NO sign of boys going through the gate, coming around to the front or of ever being outside when he was. The back yard light comes on at one point so at most maybe they glanced out but were never on video.

This video is cleaner and shorter than the other one. He did not do this one live and that helped I think.

So now we have from before he was even outside to seeing him outside all the way up to his short little trip to waiting for the cops and there is NO sign of any children. Flat out lies the way it looks to me. He does not look in the back, the sides of the home or anywhere, not the other side of the van, nothing. Those children never went out that open gate from all it shows..

 

[Whatsnext]

So if you watched the long video the other day of the neighbor's surveillance camera, we already saw where the dad took a quick trip with the van and then stood under a tree for 10 to 15 minutes not even looking for the boys waiting for the cops.

In this one, they now backed up further and started watching to see if he was ever throwing firewood, etc. to about an hour before I think it was. So they finally see him from the start of this alleged timelin and one can tell the gate is open as he is going in and out of it. You can't tell what he is doing, whether anything with wood or what. He is never more than a foot or two away from the gate. It continues to where he went back in the house as he said and came back out. There is never one sign of any boys. He then does not go searching the back yard, the lot or around the house, etc. He never searches the front yard nor does he check the other direction when he does his little drive. He never walks anywhere looking. There is NO sign of boys going through the gate, coming around to the front or of ever being outside when he was. The back yard light comes on at one point so at most maybe they glanced out but were never on video.

This video is cleaner and shorter than the other one. He did not do this one live and that helped I think.

So now we have from before he was even outside to seeing him outside all the way up to his short little trip to waiting for the cops and there is NO sign of any children. Flat out lies the way it looks to me. He does not look in the back, the sides of the home or anywhere, not the other side of the van, nothing. Those children never went out that open gate from all it shows..

My eyes are not great, I can't see alot in this video. I just hope LE is on top of this. Those 2 little cuties, I pray that they won't stop until their fate is solved

 

[Kimster]

All I can say is that I’m glad they are searching around Bakersfield, too. I wonder if the dogs hit on their scent in the house only because the items that were moved from Bakersfield had their scent on it?

 

[GrandmaBear]

My eyes are not great, I can't see alot in this video. I just hope LE is on top of this. Those 2 little cuties, I pray that they won't stop until their fate is solved

I have watched it twice. It's not easy to see for sure at times. Even though they pan away for a second or two here and here, I am pretty confident these children were NOT there. There are no other cars other than the neighbor pulls out but that happened before the dad in his story we all watched said the boys went missing. They did NOT search at least even their entire premises outdoors at all, not even looking like they did, they did flip the back yard light on and off a few times. Never checked the side yard nor the front. AND again time is taken doing nothing after they allegedly knew they were gone. The mother is never seen.

To me it looks like nothing but staging for their story. I truly think they thought the surveillance camera could pick up like "dad" going in and out of the gate and also when he left in the van to "look for them". I also do not think he knew what more it would show nor thought about like when he stood under the tree doing nothing for 10 to 15 minutes that that could be picked up once it was darkish.

Anyhow, so they backed it up before dad was outside during the firewood thing and took it through seeing him come out and doing all of that, etc. and then also added in the time we saw in the one above and continued it right up through to where he is standing under the tree awaiting cops. So from what I see it is now the entire time frame from before he even went outside.

I can't really explain it all but suffice it to say it is all one big lie imo and they have a lot of explaining to do. It fits with why the police chief some time ago said they can't see how they got out of the yard. The FBI has this surveillance and had it prior to it being shown and have more than we have seen from what I understand. To me this (and probably a load more evidence or info they have) is why the police chief says that some days back.

JMO but it is just more and more dam*ing...

 

[GrandmaBear]

All I can say is that I’m glad they are searching around Bakersfield, too. I wonder if the dogs hit on their scent in the house only because the items that were moved from Bakersfield had their scent on it?

Yeah that's the one I still am unsure on. It makes sense they were never there and yet they could have "disappeared" in the early months when they first moved there as well... What I do know is the day they said this all happened shows absolutely no evidence of any such thing that I have seen and in fact, seems to negate it.