KIMBERLY HYDE: Utah woman murdered in October 2024 - Man charged claims setup (2 Viewers)

This is fairly long, about an hour. I saw it come up yesterday but wasn't compelled to watch it. Now today, it started for me somehow by me not starting it. So I stopped it but was on the page and started to skim the chat, just to see if worth a watch, etc. The chat is FULL of people saying police have the wrong guy and that her husband framed this guy. That the police department is corrupt and inept, etc. TONS of people saying such. Well, now I have to watch it to see what I think of him. This guy fled the country but saw an interview with Nate by two people who knew Kimberly, I think relatives, and wanted to give his side to Nate...

Not sure what I think yet, I haven't watched it, just starting to. Seems to be another LDS case... I do think I watched the family members on with Nate but it was a time ago. @Kimster Have you watched this? I know you watch most of Nate's too so just asking...?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well hub hasn't really said much AFAIK. That's why I thought I would post that timeline from the article.

He hasn't that we've heard but he did take a polygraph... And allegedly passed.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm not sure how the deleted messages work. I have seen on threads where a FB message is no longer avaIlable due to deletion though so it must work at some level for the recipient, which is why The recipient did a screenshot in this case. I don't have and have never had FB so have no clue how it works and am guessing.

Like anything. If you delete it on your end, it is deleted on your end. If the recipient deletes it then it is deleted on their device. You can't delete to my knowledge a message that would delete it on the other end as well.

Just like anything. If you delete an email, it's deleted on your device, not mine if for instance it was sent between you and I.

If Henry felt framed and fled the country right away, it would be nuts for him to delete any proof he could save.

And so, where are those other contacts/communications?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Contract killer came in back way avoiding cams? Contract killer can't drive so leaves her in her own vehicle for someone else? (Henry as arranged by hub.)

Please don't take me wrong but I think you are trying to make it fit that Henry didn't kill Kim. or I guess injure since she was allegedly still alive on driving her.

That's another thing, a hit man/contract killer would be to kill not to leave her living.

And Mike calling Henry to take the car, did he know she wasn't dead and the contract killer didn't do his job?

It's just too much for me to believe. I'm sorry.

 

[Tresir]

Please don't take me wrong but I think you are trying to make it fit that Henry didn't kill Kim. or I guess injure since she was allegedly still alive on driving her.

That's another thing, a hit man/contract killer would be to kill not to leave her living.

And Mike calling Henry to take the car, did he know she wasn't dead and the contract killer didn't do his job?

It's just too much for me to believe. I'm sorry.

No, I am trying to make sense of why he drove what he thought was an empty car with some boxes in it for an hour or so but then realised he had a dying battered woman in the back, before abandoning the vehicle with her in it. Yet he is professing innocence.

As well as trying to make sense of why someone would want their back door and fence left open all day long.

As for the contract killer, if there was one, then he clearly wasn't a very good one.

Henry says it's because hub asked him to drive to Vernal and pick up the wives.

Also, she and Henry's wife returned at 2.30pm Yet he was not around to see them return. But the car had suddenly returned on it's own then? When he went to access the garage he had the code so he could get the back fence and gate removed and leave the back door open, as asked by hubby. Didn't he notice the empty garage? He knew his wife and Kim had gone shopping. Did they not use Kim's car for that?

There are conflicting accounts through this whole story and the person who could clarify it (the husband) is mostly silent. I wonder why.

 

[Tresir]

Like anything. If you delete it on your end, it is deleted on your end. If the recipient deletes it then it is deleted on their device. You can't delete to my knowledge a message that would delete it on the other end as well.

Just like anything. If you delete an email, it's deleted on your device, not mine if for instance it was sent between you and I.

If Henry felt framed and fled the country right away, it would be nuts for him to delete any proof he could save.

And so, where are those other contacts/communications?

Can you explain why we sometimes have deleted twitter or FB posts on here in posts then?

I have seen them a lot. It usually is a blank white square on the post and "No longer available" or "deleted by user" or some other message.

Presumably, based on what Henry is saying, the originator (Jaz Utah) deleted them from both sender and recipient phones. I know we sometimes see deleted messages on this site when the originator has removed them, so I know it happens.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Can you explain why we sometimes have deleted twitter or FB posts on here in posts then?

I have seen them a lot. It usually is a blank white square on the post and "No longer available" or "deleted by user" or some other message.

Presumably, based on what Henry is saying, the originator (Jaz Utah) deleted them from both sender and recipient phones. I know we sometimes see deleted messages on this site when the originator has removed them, so I know it happens.

That's not the same as a sent text, message, voicemail and so on though. It is on the user end. They delete it from their page or account, it does not delete such from anyone receiving it. Or they delete their account.

Do you remember in Delphi when the defense attorneys traveled to wherever and tried to ask for a ridiculous expense to be paid for it to find that supposed post from one of the purported Odinists? It was if I recall because someone still had it but the originating party had deleted it off their page. Same idea.

As I said, I could delete a message from you but you would still have it. If I sent such a thing.

Henry should have received calls from Mike per his own narrative. And other things.

 

[Tresir]

That's not the same as a sent text, message, voicemail and so on though. It is on the user end. They delete it from their page or account, it does not delete such from anyone receiving it. Or they delete their account.

Do you remember in Delphi when the defense attorneys traveled to wherever and tried to ask for a ridiculous expense to be paid for it to find that supposed post from one of the purported Odinists? It was if I recall because someone still had it but the originating party had deleted it off their page. Same idea.

As I said, I could delete a message from you but you would still have it. If I sent such a thing.

Henry should have received calls from Mike per his own narrative. And other things.

I don't think all apps treat it the same though. Eg emails and my phone calls can be deleted without affecting the recipients inboxes. But i don't know anything about Messenger or any other apps and how they work because i don't use them. Clearly Messenger works differently and is why Henry screenshot those calls before they were deleted too.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't think all apps treat it the same though. Eg emails and my phone calls can be deleted without affecting the recipients inboxes. But i don't know anything about Messenger or any other apps and how they work because i don't use them. Clearly Messenger works differently and is why Henry screenshot those calls before they were deleted too.

Well I've wanted to delete messages in the past on FB messenger. I can but it won't delete it on the recipient end. It maya have changed, I don't do FB any longer and havent in a few years, but I doubt it.

You can't "retrieve" something you sent. Or a missed call from you on recipient end, etc.

Maybe there's some high tech way but you'd have to go into the other person's account or have their device and it would be illegal imo and I think that's getting far fetched to think Mike would know how to do such and why would he? I'm not even sure it can be done.

Maybe Henry has such or will claim he stupidly deleted but that would be too convenient too and if he has such, he didn't provide it. He gave this ONE screen shot to Nate and that's it, he has verified nothing else.

His wife and son were still there, where is the camera footage say from their home? They could have gotten it for him.

 

[Tresir]

That's not the same as a sent text, message, voicemail and so on though. It is on the user end. They delete it from their page or account, it does not delete such from anyone receiving it. Or they delete their account.

Do you remember in Delphi when the defense attorneys traveled to wherever and tried to ask for a ridiculous expense to be paid for it to find that supposed post from one of the purported Odinists? It was if I recall because someone still had it but the originating party had deleted it off their page. Same idea.

As I said, I could delete a message from you but you would still have it. If I sent such a thing.

Henry should have received calls from Mike per his own narrative. And other things.

Yes I follow that I can delete a text or email and it doesnt delete at the recipient end. So what type of message system is Henry describing when he says they have been deleted by 'Jaz Utah' being used by Mike?

While I think of it who are Monde and Julia?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes I follow that I can delete a text or email and it doesnt delete at the recipient end. So what type of message system is Henry describing when he says they have been deleted by 'Jaz Utah' being used by Mike?

While I think of it who are Monde and Julia?

I don't think we've disagreed like this in some time on a case lol. Just have to say that.

In the one article, I think the EIN one, it says it was FB messenger I thought? Henry's account. He gets a message saying this is Mike probably from her account and "figured" it was his neighbor... That's quite an assumption too with an unknown account contacting you and assuming a common name like Mike from an unknown account is your neighbor? It COULD be anyone from anywhere. I think I mentioned above you can't delete those on the other end. By deleting yours. And why would Henry delete anything? He finds he is driving an injured woman around, fails to call for help or take her to the hospital, then figures he was framed and flees, all pretty unbelievable to me without adding in all of the rest of his supposed naievete.

Monde and Julia? Help me out on that one? Not sure.

 

[Tresir]

I don't think we've disagreed like this in some time on a case lol. Just have to say that.

In the one article, I think the EIN one, it says it was FB messenger I thought? Henry's account. He gets a message saying this is Mike probably from her account and "figured" it was his neighbor... That's quite an assumption too with an unknown account contacting you and assuming a common name like Mike from an unknown account is your neighbor? It COULD be anyone from anywhere. I think I mentioned above you can't delete those on the other end. By deleting yours. And why would Henry delete anything? He finds he is driving an injured woman around, fails to call for help or take her to the hospital, then figures he was framed and flees, all pretty unbelievable to me without adding in all of the rest of his supposed naievete.

Monde and Julia? Help me out on that one? Not sure.

Read post number 8 on this thread. It is all in there.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Read post number 8 on this thread. It is all in there.

That's what I was referencing when I've said FB in more than one post, FB messenger.

 

[Tresir]

That's what I was referencing when I've said FB in more than one post, FB messenger.

Post number 8 mentions the deletions and Monde and Julia. Henry didn't delete anything but Michael did.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Post number 8 mentions the deletions and Monde and Julia. Henry didn't delete anything but Michael did.

Okay let me look. I reread a lot of it the other day but was looking about the messenger stuff and other things in particular. I didn't finish. it was long but I read a lot.

 

[GrandmaBear]

But in talking about the messages, etc. that WAS FB messenger.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He refers to Jaz Utah as "he". Never noticed that before.

Okay to be fair and be sure, I looked up if you could unsend and unopened message on FB and here is the answer I got...

es, if you use the "Unsend for Everyone" feature on Facebook Messenger, you can remove a message even if the recipient has not opened it yet, provided it is done within the 10-minute window. Once removed, the message is permanently deleted from the recipient's chat view, though they may have seen a notification.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Neither Henry nor his son tried to save Kim or call for help. That to me bothers to no end.

He never heard breathing until after Mike called him in the vehicle.

It's just weird. And he sure gets the calls he wants to show but then doesn't reach him when he calls--and yet he shows no proof OF these calls that he wants to claim.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Okay so the Monde and Julia story is again from Henry. When he asked Mike who did it. If he figured Mike was framing him, why would Mike give him other names and ask what he was still dong here? All of that is hard to believe. If Mike knew Monde and Julia did it by the way, did he tell the cops he knew this? Apparently not as they charged Henry.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Henry's story makes no sense and they were so cold they didn't try to save Kim and he didn't try to show LE all the messages he had, to show it and confirm, etc.

There is just TOO much. Imo.

Again, I could believe Mike and Henry were in it together. I haven't ruled that out.

 

[Tresir]

So who the heck are Monde, Julia and Jaz?

I wish Nate could contact Henry (or Michael) and ask them.

Do we know how much life Insurance Mike received?

Plus where were Mike and Kim going for their holiday and mission? Did Mike get a refund or still go on both?