KIMBERLY HYDE: Utah woman murdered in October 2024 - Man charged claims setup (2 Viewers)

This is fairly long, about an hour. I saw it come up yesterday but wasn't compelled to watch it. Now today, it started for me somehow by me not starting it. So I stopped it but was on the page and started to skim the chat, just to see if worth a watch, etc. The chat is FULL of people saying police have the wrong guy and that her husband framed this guy. That the police department is corrupt and inept, etc. TONS of people saying such. Well, now I have to watch it to see what I think of him. This guy fled the country but saw an interview with Nate by two people who knew Kimberly, I think relatives, and wanted to give his side to Nate...

Not sure what I think yet, I haven't watched it, just starting to. Seems to be another LDS case... I do think I watched the family members on with Nate but it was a time ago. @Kimster Have you watched this? I know you watch most of Nate's too so just asking...?

 

[GrandmaBear]

He says he got the car from inside the house , yes but he only mentions he had the garage code so maybe there's an internal door into the house from the garage. I also noticed on reading it again today that hub told him to leave the back door open in case they ( those picking up the stove ) wanted a drink or to use the facilities. Henry also left a retirement gift in the property that they had forgotten to take with them the evening before. So how he could do that at the same time as killing Kim just doesn't seem possible to me.

Let's not forget both Henry's wife and son told the police that Henry confessed to them. That alone is pretty powerful to me. Not one, but two people said that.

I assume it is an attached garage. So yes, there's be an interior door into the house that may or may not have been locked. Probably not if the garage was locked. For convenience, I know my mom keeps hers unlocked so she doesn't have to unlock it every time she comes home but of course the garage itself is locked. She also does lock that adjoining door at night.

She has a back door from the house and from the garage. That's not typical though imo.

My point is he DID enter the home. So he did have access somehow into the home. He says himself he went inside the home to get the car keys.

No one imo would ask someone to leave their back door open so people picking up a stove could use the facilities or if they wanted a drink. If Mike trusted the people picking up the stove that much, he'd have just given the garage code to them, that makes zero sense to me. It's not hot in October to need a drink. Have you ever purchased something from someone and went to their home to pick it up? You don't use their facilities. It's hogwash.

As far as the gift, he's probably making an excuse for the number of times he may have been seen on video or its his excuse for entering the house or he planned on it being the reason. Maybe he forgot duct tape or something.

It sounds like there is plenty of camera evidence that Henry entered the home but never came back out until Kim's car left. The other woman was seen leaving though which I assume was Henry's wife. Henry was never seen leaving.

He was in the home when the women got home.

I don't see what you mean about the retirement gift? Are you saying because he claimed he was doing something nice that means he couldn't have killed Kim?

I'm betting he NEVER went to the gym or he did so quickly trying to create an alibi. I doubt he went though. It will be interesting to find out.

I'm not arguing but again the only way Mike is in this is if they both were in it together. Otherwise Henry did it alone. Mike did not do it without Henry. It isn't possible.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Why was hub calling him so many times then? The stove story and the screen shot was made up too?

Explain why Henry took the car if he knew Kim was in it?

Could you find any dates on that screen shot?

Yes, the stove story was likely made up or he knew they were going to or were selling one.

I have explained why Henry took the car with Kim in it. He killed her and he was moving her body. That part is very simple imo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

LOL. Good debate, interesting case. We certainly are not agreeing on this one.

 

[Tresir]

Let's not forget both Henry's wife and son told the police that Henry confessed to them. That alone is pretty powerful to me. Not one, but two people said that.

I assume it is an attached garage. So yes, there's be an interior door into the house that may or may not have been locked. Probably not if the garage was locked. For convenience, I know my mom keeps hers unlocked so she doesn't have to unlock it every time she comes home but of course the garage itself is locked. She also does lock that adjoining door at night.

She has a back door from the house and from the garage. That's not typical though imo.

My point is he DID enter the home. So he did have access somehow into the home. He says himself he went inside the home to get the car keys.

No one imo would ask someone to leave their back door open so people picking up a stove could use the facilities or if they wanted a drink. If Mike trusted the people picking up the stove that much, he'd have just given the garage code to them, that makes zero sense to me. It's not hot in October to need a drink. Have you ever purchased something from someone and went to their home to pick it up? You don't use their facilities. It's hogwash.

As far as the gift, he's probably making an excuse for the number of times he may have been seen on video or its his excuse for entering the house or he planned on it being the reason. Maybe he forgot duct tape or something.

It sounds like there is plenty of camera evidence that Henry entered the home but never came back out until Kim's car left. The other woman was seen leaving though which I assume was Henry's wife. Henry was never seen leaving.

He was in the home when the women got home.

I don't see what you mean about the retirement gift? Are you saying because he claimed he was doing something nice that means he couldn't have killed Kim?

I'm betting he NEVER went to the gym or he did so quickly trying to create an alibi. I doubt he went though. It will be interesting to find out.

I'm not arguing but again the only way Mike is in this is if they both were in it together. Otherwise Henry did it alone. Mike did not do it without Henry. It isn't possible.

The garage was a code which hub gave to H that day according to H.

Re the gift yeah. Why do that at the same time as killing the wife.

What evidence shows he was in the home (Kim's home) when the women got home? I think it likely they got home when he was at the gym and that is why he didn't know.

Yes I agree that leaving the back door open is a strange request unless they were associates or family and yeah why not give them the code. That's why I am wondering if it was a contract killing.

Maybe they knocked her out and taped her mouth, put her in the car and slit her throat then covered her with the boxes ready for a patsy (Henry) to drive her away.

I think the son clearly knew about Kim as he met his father to pick him up but i am still not convinced H killed her.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The garage was a code which hub gave to H that day according to H.

Re the gift yeah. Why do that at the same time as killing the wife.

What evidence shows he was in the home (Kim's home) when the women got home? I think it likely they got home when he was at the gym and that is why he didn't know.

Yes I agree that leaving the back door open is a strange request unless they were associates or family and yeah why not give them the code. That's why I am wondering if it was a contract killing.

Maybe they knocked her out and taped her mouth, put her in the car and slit her throat then covered her with the boxes ready for a patsy (Henry) to drive her away.

I think the son clearly knew about Kim as he met his father to pick him up but i am still not convinced H killed her.

You are assuming that all Henry said is the truth. I never believe what just one person is saying, especially not if the suspected perp, in this case the defendant/charged perp. If not corroborated.

The law said he was in the home and I assume there is a reason for that. They have to prove these things and so I take their word with a bit more weight. They never saw him leave the home after going there until Kim's car left.

Who is "they" knocked her out? Cameras show no one else. Only Henry, and then the women when they came home are on camera the way it sounds by LE or prosecution.

If it's a "contract" killing, it is Mike offering to pay Henry to kill her. And Henry complied.

 

[Tresir]

You are assuming that all Henry said is the truth. I never believe what just one person is saying, especially not if the suspected perp, in this case the defendant/charged perp. If not corroborated.

The law said he was in the home and I assume there is a reason for that. They have to prove these things and so I take their word with a bit more weight. They never saw him leave the home after going there until Kim's car left.

Who is "they" knocked her out? Cameras show no one else. Only Henry, and then the women when they came home are on camera the way it sounds by LE or prosecution.

If it's a "contract" killing, it is Mike offering to pay Henry to kill her. And Henry complied.

By they i am talking about whoever the back door was left open for to be able to get a drink etc.

I have just found this article from Oct 2024 so thought i would post it as it has a bit more detail and is closer to the time of the actual murder.

https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/police-details-murder-kimberly-hyde/

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TIMELINE: Police detail Roosevelt woman’s alleged murder, explain how suspect fled country​

by: Aubree B. Jennings
Posted: Oct 23, 2024 / 02:52 PM MDT
Updated: Oct 23, 2024 / 04:54 PM MDT
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VERNAL, Utah (ABC4) — Probable cause documents detailing the investigation into the murder of Kimberly Hyde were recently released by Vernal Police more than a week after her body was found in her car miles from her home.
Kimberly Hyde, 60, was found dead in her vehicle on Tuesday, Oct. 8, after her husband reported her missing the day prior. Her body was located in Vernal, a city approximately 38 miles from her home in Roosevelt, a small town in eastern Utah.
A week after she was found, authorities identified Henry Resuera, 37, and a juvenile as suspects in the case. Police said Resuera had fled the continent.
Documents released on Oct. 18 provide additional insight into the alleged kidnapping and murder of Hyde, who police say was taken and killed by Resuera, her next-door neighbor and family friend.

Disappearance timeline​

Investigators created a timeline of events citing evidence from video footage and witness statements to determine what likely took place the day of her disappearance. The following timeline is a summary of what is written in the documents.

• Oct. 7, 11:30 a.m.: Hyde and a friend, identified as Resuera’s wife, leave to run errands in Vernal.
• Approximately 2 p.m.: Video footage allegedly shows Henry Resuera leaving his house and walking toward Hyde’s residence with a bag of items and a hat.
• Approximately 2:30 p.m.: Hyde and Resuera’s wife return to Hyde’s home and Resuera’s wife leaves.
• Approximately 2:45 p.m.: Hyde allegedly texts Resuera’s wife “I have to go [V]ernal again.”
• 4:30 p.m.: Hyde’s car is spotted several times driving from Roosevelt toward Vernal.
• Approximately 5 p.m.: Police say a small person wearing a hat — later identified as Henry Resuera — is seen on camera driving Hyde’s car.
• 5:26 p.m.: The car is spotted driving north in Naples and a white Dodge Journey — later identified as the Resueras’ vehicle — allegedly begins following Hyde’s car.
• 5:38 a.m.: Both vehicles are seen driving in Vernal, cellphone data places Hyde near 750 S. 500 E where her body was discovered the next day.
• 6:12 p.m.: Hyde’s husband returns home from work on the bus.
• Approximately 8 p.m.: Hyde’s husband contacts the police to report her missing.
• Oct. 8, around 11:38 a.m.: Police locate Hyde’s car in Vernal.

Documents state that when authorities found Hyde’s car, “blood was dripping out of the car and pooling up on the ground beneath.” After obtaining a search warrant, authorities located Hyde’s body in the back seat and said “there were signs of physical trauma” to her neck. She was also “bound” in a way that police said would restrict movement while she was alive.
The body was later identified as Hyde, and an autopsy determined she died from “apparent blunt force trauma to the victim’s head and face,” at least eight superficial stab wounds, and several deeper wounds that “appeared to inflict as much damage as possible to ensure the death of the victim.”
The examining doctor said it appeared she “bled out slowly from her wounds.”

Investigation into suspects​

Two days after her body was discovered, police said they interviewed a witness who allegedly spoke with Resuera’s juvenile family member. The juvenile allegedly told the witness he drove Resuera to the airport the night before due to a “family emergency.”
The Dodge Journey is allegedly registered to Resuera and was pinged on various license plate readers on area roads on Oct. 9 — the day after Hyde’s body was found — at approximately 4 a.m. and 5:30 a.m.
Investigators later interviewed two of Resuera’s family members and searched their property, allegedly finding “drops of what appeared to be blood” in their driveway.
Investigators said the family members admitted to police “that Henry had disclosed to them that he had killed Kimberly Hyde.” The family gave officers additional details and expressed they were afraid of Resuera due to previous domestic violence incidents that had not been reported to police.
The juvenile relative allegedly told officers he had been told to meet Resuera in Vernal on Oct. 7 and did not know the reason why. The juvenile allegedly drove the Dodge Journey, following Hyde’s car. At one point, Resurea exited Hyde’s vehicle and got in the Dodge with the juvenile. Resuera then allegedly told the juvenile he had killed Hyde.
The juvenile told officers he was later “tasked with driving” Resuera to the Salt Lake City airport so he could fly to the Philippines, his country of origin.

Police statements​

Police said they believe Resuera’s “movements are consistent with the murder and disappearance of Kimberly Hyde.”
“Furthermore, due to his wife being with [Hyde], he would know when [Hyde] was going to return home. Henry then confesses to his [family] that he killed [Hyde] and information was provided to them about the murder that was not publicly made available.”
Police previously released a statement to the community saying the murder “has profoundly impacted our close-knit communities, and we recognize the sorrow and concern it has caused.”
Authorities are seeking to arrest Resuera on aggravated murder, aggravated kidnapping, aggravated robbery, and aggravated burglary, all first-degree felonies. It has not been publicly made known if the juvenile is facing charges due to his age.
Charges are allegations only. All arrested persons are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[GrandmaBear]

By they i am talking about whoever the back door was left open for to brcable to get a drink etc.

I have just found this article from Oct 2024 so thought i would post it as it has a bit more detail and is closer to the time of the actual murder.

https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/police-details-murder-kimberly-hyde/

Well this just further cements it for me. Now we also have a time the hub arrived home. Good find. The son was "tasked" with driving dad to the airport, in other words ordered imo.

To me this also means the kidnapping charge could be because she was bound in a way she couldn't move and you aren't going to bind a dead victim after the fact. So it could even relate to when they were still in the home, meaning who knows if alive when in the car. The blood though probably tells the story. She probably was as she was still bleeding out. It almost sounds as if she was tortured to not inflict death, trying to hurt her badly or more likely to get something from her. Info perhaps, money perhaps, bank cards and PINS perhaps... Hard to say. or just simply to make her suffer.

Lots of interest here but this stood out which I think we've heard but it just reconfirms it if it was from further back...

“Furthermore, due to his wife being with [Hyde], he would know when [Hyde] was going to return home. Henry then confesses to his [family] that he killed [Hyde] and information was provided to them about the murder that was not publicly made available.”

Not publicly made available but matches the evidence, details shared by Henry with his family. Things only the killer would know.

Also as I keep saying Henry would have known if the women were home yet. He lived right next door, of course he would have known. The gym story is a convenient excuse as most is. Imo.

It sounds as if she bled out and died a tortuous death and that is so very sad. I hope they bring him back but he is incarcerated every moment as I don't want Henry running loose in the states.

 

[Tresir]

Well this just further cements it for me. Now we also have a time the hub arrived home. Good find. The son was "tasked" with driving dad to the airport, in other words ordered imo.

To me this also means the kidnapping charge could be because she was bound in a way she couldn't move and you aren't going to bind a dead victim after the fact. So it could even relate to when they were still in the home, meaning who knows if alive when in the car. The blood though probably tells the story. She probably was as she was still bleeding out. It almost sounds as if she was tortured to not inflict death, trying to hurt her badly or more likely to get something from her. Info perhaps, money perhaps, bank cards and PINS perhaps... Hard to say. or just simply to make her suffer.

Lots of interest here but this stood out which I think we've heard but it just reconfirms it if it was from further back...

“Furthermore, due to his wife being with [Hyde], he would know when [Hyde] was going to return home. Henry then confesses to his [family] that he killed [Hyde] and information was provided to them about the murder that was not publicly made available.”

Not publicly made available but matches the evidence, details shared by Henry with his family. Things only the killer would know.

Also as I keep saying Henry would have known if the women were home yet. He lived right next door, of course he would have known. The gym story is a convenient excuse as most is. Imo.

It sounds as if she bled out and died a tortuous death and that is so very sad. I hope they bring him back but he is incarcerated every moment as I don't want Henry running loose in the states.

This is pretty incriminating but i still do not see a motive for Henry to murder Kim, and in such a brutal way. Seems like she bled out overnight where Henry left the vehicle parked.

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is pretty incriminating but i still do not see a motive for Henry to murder Kim, and in such a brutal way. Seems like she bled out overnight where Henry left the vehicle parked.

Crimes where we can't see motives are irritating but again if this was done with the hub, he has a motive. That's a no brainer.

If he did it alone, then it is something we don't know. Or know yet. Maybe he felt Kimberly looked down on them, maybe he was simply in the house up to no good when she came home and he couldn't leave her as a witness, maybe he was on the outs with is wife, that whole relationship sounds pretty iffy and he didn't like that Kimberly was maybe her confidante? It could be anything. The fact she died slowly makes me think he was trying to torture her or get something out of her... I looked up the populations of both Roosevelt (around 7,000) and Vernal (around 10,000) so not all that much difference in population, a bit but not a lot. I'm wondering why the women went to Vernal instead of shopping in Roosevelt. It is possible one had far more than the other but not counting on it, and it is a bit of a drive... Over a half hour. They are in different counties, I looked that up too... I have some speculation but it is total speculation so not going to go that far out there as I have no real basis for it.

I have said before though that Henry seemed kind of centered in making sure it was known he was not in need of money, that he and his family had enough to "get by" for 3 years but he apparently did not work, just the wife did IF I recall correctly. I think money was a thing honestly. I also think his marriage could have been on the rocks.

It is interesting the way the son said he was "tasked" to take Henry to the airport and again he left his family behind to fend for themselves with a murderer possibly next door if one believes his story, and left them alone financially and in all ways. That they claimed he he was an abuser. That they said he admitted to killing Kim.

That he admitted it to them alone makes it just Henry in my mind. He killed her and pretty quickly confessed it to wife and son.

I'm sorry but all keeps cementing Henry solidly for me.

I hope we do get the answers to all of these things one day and I hope to he77 they are extraditing him and soon.

 

[Tresir]

The link I posted in post 154 had this stated in part of it by Henry. It doesn't seem like the motive was money. I recommend reading the whole thing.

"They charged me with burglary. Why did they charge me with it? I did not enter the house forcefully.
Neither did I break any glass nor use special tools to enter their house. I was given the garage code
and with permission from Mike.
Robbery. I did not get anything from their house. I did not go inside their rooms. As far as I
remember, I just went to their kitchen and garage. I have seen the interview of Jessica Boren the
daughter in law of Kim. They don’t believe that they were robbed because nothing was taken. The
jewelleries were there. Everything was intact and no signs of robbery. According to the interview she
said that maybe they charged me robbery because I drove the car. Again I did not get anything from
their house. We had a great life. Money for us was not an issue. There was no reason for me to do it.
Not to brag but every other month we go on vacation with our kids. We lived in a new and nice
apartment in Roosevelt. We have cars. Back in the Philippines, we have a house and lot, 3 cars, 3
motorcycles. We sold our 2 pickup trucks and 3 motorcycles before moving to the US for our start up
money and to sustain our needs for the next 3 years even if I don’t have work in the US. With my
wife’s salary we were able to pay the bills on the time every month. Last January 2023 I went home
to the Philippines to get my money from my previous company where I worked as a subcontractor in
the biggest construction firm in our place. That same year in the month of July, I again went back to
the Philippines to get the money for my family from the company I worked with. It was all declared at
the immigration before I enter the US.
Kidnapping. I drove the car in good faith. I did not know the body of Kim was inside the car. Come to
think of it, if I was the one who did it I think I will not drive the car out of the garage. I can just walk
away and easily reach our house in seconds. I knew there’s a lot of surveillance cameras. Kim’s car
windows were not tinted and very clear. People will easily recognise me.
Murder. I firmly stand on the truth that I did not kill Kim. I have no reason or motive to do it to Kim.
How can I kill a person whom I treated as my own mother. She was so nice to us. She baked goodies
for my kids. Sometimes if we’re not home she was the one who will wait for our youngest son from
the school bus. My kids love her so much and even call her grandma. Again I don’t have any motive
or reason to kill Kim. I did not get anything. Our family, my reputation and my life has been ruined. In my whole life I never thought of killing someone out of grudge or any other reason."

 

[GrandmaBear]

The link I posted in post 154? had this stated in part of it by Henry. It doesn't seem like the motive was money. I recommend reading the whole thing.

"They charged me with burglary. Why did they charge me with it? I did not enter the house forcefully.
Neither did I break any glass nor use special tools to enter their house. I was given the garage code
and with permission from Mike.
Robbery. I did not get anything from their house. I did not go inside their rooms. As far as I
remember, I just went to their kitchen and garage. I have seen the interview of Jessica Boren the
daughter in law of Kim. They don’t believe that they were robbed because nothing was taken. The
jewelleries were there. Everything was intact and no signs of robbery. According to the interview she
said that maybe they charged me robbery because I drove the car. Again I did not get anything from
their house. We had a great life. Money for us was not an issue. There was no reason for me to do it.
Not to brag but every other month we go on vacation with our kids. We lived in a new and nice
apartment in Roosevelt. We have cars. Back in the Philippines, we have a house and lot, 3 cars, 3
motorcycles. We sold our 2 pickup trucks and 3 motorcycles before moving to the US for our start up
money and to sustain our needs for the next 3 years even if I don’t have work in the US. With my
wife’s salary we were able to pay the bills on the time every month. Last January 2023 I went home
to the Philippines to get my money from my previous company where I worked as a subcontractor in
the biggest construction firm in our place. That same year in the month of July, I again went back to
the Philippines to get the money for my family from the company I worked with. It was all declared at
the immigration before I enter the US.
Kidnapping. I drove the car in good faith. I did not know the body of Kim was inside the car. Come to
think of it, if I was the one who did it I think I will not drive the car out of the garage. I can just walk
away and easily reach our house in seconds. I knew there’s a lot of surveillance cameras. Kim’s car
windows were not tinted and very clear. People will easily recognise me.
Murder. I firmly stand on the truth that I did not kill Kim. I have no reason or motive to do it to Kim.
How can I kill a person whom I treated as my own mother. She was so nice to us. She baked goodies
for my kids. Sometimes if we’re not home she was the one who will wait for our youngest son from
the school bus. My kids love her so much and even call her grandma. Again I don’t have any motive
or reason to kill Kim. I did not get anything. Our family, my reputation and my life has been ruined. In my whole life I never thought of killing someone out of grudge or any other reason."

I read what you copied here. If I get a chance I'll go read it all. I actually thought I had though but maybe I didn't.

I'll admit it all sounds good, if I believed him. I could believe him if the facts did not make it where he is the only one who could have done it. The only way anyone else could have done it is if Kim and his wife going to Vernal was not true. Then Mike could have possibly killed her prior, well injured her if she wasn't dead when in the car. He is the one who had the time and was the only one who was there.

I also don't like that when Nate asked him about the claims by wife and son of domestic abuse, he said something like there is another story for that, or a story behind that or that he could explain but he DID NOT explain that, nor did he about the fac they told cops he told them he had killed Kim.

He stresses the money thing but I note he had to go back home to get money a number of times so they weren't getting by too well if he needed to do that. I do believe they may have been getting by just fine though.

It's not like heaving a boatload of money either if Mike made him a sweet offer.

I too would like to know his motive.

His word just isn't good enough for me without corroboration.

 

[Tresir]

You are assuming that all Henry said is the truth. I never believe what just one person is saying, especially not if the suspected perp, in this case the defendant/charged perp. If not corroborated.

The law said he was in the home and I assume there is a reason for that. They have to prove these things and so I take their word with a bit more weight. They never saw him leave the home after going there until Kim's car left.

Who is "they" knocked her out? Cameras show no one else. Only Henry, and then the women when they came home are on camera the way it sounds by LE or prosecution.

If it's a "contract" killing, it is Mike offering to pay Henry to kill her. And Henry complied.

I am speculating the house was left unlocked for a contract killer to enter and kill Kim and put her in the car. Then hub called Henry to drive the car to Vernal. So hub set up Henry. Meanwhile hub travels home by bus, therefore having a full alibi. He claims the life insurance.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I am speculating the house was left unlocked for a contract killer to enter and kill Kim and put her in the car. Then hub called Henry to drive the car to Vernal. So hub set up Henry. Meanwhile hub travels home by bus, therefore having a full alibi. He claims the life insurance.

Well I've never heard of someone using a contract killer AND a neighbor or friend. If he did, it still doesn't mean he framed Henry, both the killer and Henry could have been paid by Mike (or were supposed to be). Why couldn't Mike just have the contract killer take Kim and the car and dump both?

I think it's possible Mike contracted with someone but if he did, it would be Henry.

To me it's kind of like Delphi, you can't remove Henry from the scene but you do try to, I'll give you that lol.

Why isn't the contract killer seen on camera then if it wasn't Henry?

 

[Tresir]

Well I've never heard of someone using a contract killer AND a neighbor or friend. If he did, it still doesn't mean he framed Henry, both the killer and Henry could have been paid by Mike (or were supposed to be). Why couldn't Mike just have the contract killer take Kim and the car and dump both?

I think it's possible Mike contracted with someone but if he did, it would be Henry.

To me it's kind of like Delphi, you can't remove Henry from the scene but you do try to, I'll give you that lol.

Why isn't the contract killer seen on camera then if it wasn't Henry?

Because he came in via the back way. That's why the fence was removed. He overpowered Kim. And hit her on the head, taped her eyes and mouth, tied her up and put her in the car then slit her throat. Left the back way too. Hub then gets Henry to drive the car to Vernal and abandon it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Because he came in via the back way. That's why the fence was removed. He overpowered Kim. And hit her on the head, taped her eyes and mouth, tied her up and put her in the car then slit her throat. Left the back way too. Hub then gets Henry to drive the car to Vernal and abandon it.

Well what makes you think there was no camera in the back or by any neighbors behind them? Imo most people put cameras on both front and back of their homes. I wouldn't mind getting a glimpse of the home and neighborhood. I wonder if there is an address or a picture. If the home has been sold, it will come up as well on a realty website most likely.

I can say I'd definitely have a camera in back. In my mind someone wanting to break in would use the back before the front most often.

I think Henry could maybe make a deal if he implicated Mike and said they were both involved. IF that's what is true. If that is true, he won't go that route thus far as he doesn't want to do any time at all.

I stand by if Mike did hire a killer, it was Henry.

It's not smart to involve two people who could flip on you, one is bad enough. Or that could just not keep their mouths shut.

LE seems unimpressed by Henry's claims and say some of what he said can be contradicted by evidence.

I just do not see Mike "hiring" two people. And I believe cameras show that no one else approached or went into that house other than Henry and when they got home, his wife and Kim.

 

[Tresir]

I want to talk about the two women going shopping. So if that is true, why would Henry need to go and pick them up or meet them? Who took them shopping in the first place? If they went in Henry's wife's car, they wouldn't need picking up. Why did Henry use Kim's car anyway? Don't they have a car?

The garden stove and the open fence and open back door. Supposedly Henry did this after being called by hub. These calls should be on both their phones. Even if they deleted them right?

Forensic info from Kim's body. Time of death based on forensics. Possible blood in the garage, skin cells under finger nails etc.

Is there anything else to consider?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I want to talk about the two women going shopping. So if that is true, why would Henry need to go and pick them up or meet them? Who took them shopping in the first place? If they went in Henry's wife's car, they wouldn't need picking up. Why did Henry use Kim's car anyway? Don't they have a car?

The garden stove and the open fence and open back door. Supposedly Henry did this after being called by hub. These calls should be on both their phones. Even if they deleted them right?

Forensic info from Kim's body. Time of death based on forensics. Possible blood in the garage, skin cells under finger nails etc.

Is there anything else to consider?

I've had almost no sleep, don't need to go into why around this place, but been watching something on the Tepe case and needed a break from it so checked here for any new posts on anything. Trying to bring my mind to this one but yes, the shopping thing or errands is something I think worth talking about.

The cars! Yes, did they have one, were they dropped off or what was the deal?? Henry is not saying in his whole narrative is he? Why did he not know his wife was home?? Yes, they have a car, Henry and wife, I think I just read it recently didn't I? I can't quite grasp the knowledge right now but think so, think it's been mentioned in something I recently read. Don't quote me though on that.

Yes, the stove, open gate, etc. Henry doesn't give enough detail on and the calls, he doesn't back up enough either. He gives that one thing by Jaz Utah but what about all this other contact? On either phone or SM messaging or whatever?

You know I am leaning towards Henry did it and you are not but all of these things are in question.

The only way I can see that someone other than Henry murdered Kim is if the women never went anywhere on errands or shopping that day.

I've even considred Henry's wife and son being part of things... I've thought about it all...

 

[Tresir]

I remember him saying he had cars and a truck in the Phillippines but have seen nothing about his vehicles here. Have seen mentioned about his wife picking a kid up from school but that didn't make clear it was in a vehicle. His son was driving a vehicle too so they do have at least one vehicle.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I remember him saying he had cars and a truck in the Phillippines but have seen nothing about his vehicles here. Have seen mentioned about his wife picking a kid up from school but that didn't make clear it was in a vehicle. His son was driving a vehicle too so they do have at least one vehicle.

I wanted to know the same thing, what vehicle did they have or how many, etc. and I swear I just saw it recently as to one, maybe the vehicle the son was driving...? I saw something about a vehicle belonging to Henry and/or his family.

I also wonder about Mike taking a bus from work. Was this typical? Did they have only one vehicle? Seems unlikely these days with the money they likely had but hard to say. I wish we knew more about details like that.

Why didn't Hentry question why the women needed to be picked up if they took a vehicle to go shopping? That's one of my points where he leaves a LOT out of what he says to explain the day.

 

[Regina]

Didn't the sister-in-law say money was missing from a safe?