Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *NOT GUILTY* (Guilty of OUI) (50 Viewers)

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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Tresir said:
I am sure they do. I know it happens a lot, believe me and not just in Boston. Of course that does not make it right, ever.

But this was different, somebody was killed. Could he have fallen and hit his head and got the bruising and abrasions plus glass in his nose accidentally? I don't believe even that was ever looked at. The sneaker at the kerb, the headlight pieces in his hoodie, the phone recording the drops in his temperature as he died were clearly meaningless to the jury.

I hope we get to hear why from a jury member.
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Yeah they ignored a ton.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
He knew she was blotto, and didn't care.
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In Oklahoma she would have been in violation of another law, having someone drunk in her vehicle on top of her being drunk. Right? I mean you're the one who shared that.

I don't think you can know what he thought as they left and until the trip got underway and perhaps arguing started.

I've always said quite a few people in power all out and most drunk.

I don't think she looked battered by John and we know she has a mind of her own so she chose to drive to be fair no? And had that control then as well. You say he knew she was blotto, interesting. As he perhaps was too. I don't defend the night of most of them although we may never know how many truly drove and so on. It's not a good look for cops and higher ups over all, nor their wives or gfs, etc. I've never ever said that.
 
Tresir said:
Juror speaks.

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Was there a video at all or this is all just written words of his? I hit what I thought was one but it wasn't.

Hmm.

First, so they were seeing her fans every day? For some reason I thought the had skirted this in this trial. Guess not.

What hypocrisy both in the system and by D teams lately. They bit*ch about pretrial publicity yet are the ones causing it. Trials get moved over it, etc. and YET jurors can see supporters every single day of the trial? That's just wrong.

The investigation was never perfect. There's been enough for me though and reasonable doubt is a thing jurors do not always understand though. Some take it as any doubt and it is not.

I still have a suspicion that one or more may have know about the former trial and outcome. I think a hung jury may have well resulted otherwise. At this point, who knows but now we know all were seeing the supporters everyday and he flat out said that added stress. How nice.

I will watch jurors for the time being but probably about it. I hate that suit she has on, ugly, and other than Lori Daybell's one of the worst I've seen in awhile. Shallow I know but the two of them are as well. I hope she keeps her smirky self away from his family and friends or gets in trouble if she does not. I'd say she should move honestly however I sure don't want her here nor would wish her on any area.

Watch out on the roads people. Very angry reactive drunk driver on the prowl out there. She's certainly no one to idolize as her dad basically did. Ignoring that part entirely, her Higgins thing, all of it.

It is what it is. Still have my suspicions.

Jmo of course.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Was there a video at all or this is all just written words of his? I hit what I thought was one but it wasn't.

Hmm.

First, so they were seeing her fans every day? For some reason I thought the had skirted this in this trial. Guess not.

What hypocrisy both in the system and by D teams lately. They bit*ch about pretrial publicity yet are the ones causing it. Trials get moved over it, etc. and YET jurors can see supporters every single day of the trial? That's just wrong.

The investigation was never perfect. There's been enough for me though and reasonable doubt is a thing jurors do not always understand though. Some take it as any doubt and it is not.

I still have a suspicion that one or more may have know about the former trial and outcome. I think a hung jury may have well resulted otherwise. At this point, who knows but now we know all were seeing the supporters everyday and he flat out said that added stress. How nice.

I will watch jurors for the time being but probably about it. I hate that suit she has on, ugly, and other than Lori Daybell's one of the worst I've seen in awhile. Shallow I know but the two of them are as well. I hope she keeps her smirky self away from his family and friends or gets in trouble if she does not. I'd say she should move honestly however I sure don't want her here nor would wish her on any area.

Watch out on the roads people. Very angry reactive drunk driver on the prowl out there. She's certainly no one to idolize as her dad basically did. Ignoring that part entirely, her Higgins thing, all of it.

It is what it is. Still have my suspicions.

Jmo of course.
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I think there is a video. He was interviewed.

One of the things he mentions is they could hear the crowds outside. That's not good. Not sure if they saw them but, if so, that's bad too.
 
Tresir said:
I think there is a video. He was interviewed.

One of the things he mentions is they could hear the crowds outside. That's not good. Not sure if they saw them but, if so, that's bad too.
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I thought he said saw them too. And yeah, I wonder what they heard too. Freedom of speech is one thing but affecting a trial and a jury I think should be another. And then if they were seeing all this and hearing it, it would be even harder perhaps for a juror who maybe did not know about the case to be more curious about it.

I checked a couple of things in the article I thought might be the video and they weren't. I'll see it eventually probably, not real interested or worried about it, they gave a lot of his words anyhow if not all. He did say he wasn't sure if he believed all the conspiracy b.s. at all so that's one good thing I guess.

I'm very tired of seeing her and that team. Even going to read a juror thing I get to see her again in an article. I'll watch or read re jurors but really want a break from it as well.
 
Tresir said:
Maybe we will have more jurors speaking now.
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I'm almost always inerested to hear from others so that I can at least try to understand why they think like they do but in this instance it's not only pointless but I don't give a damn.
 
Regina said:
I'm almost always inerested to hear from others so that I can at least try to understand why they think like they do but in this instance it's not only pointless but I don't give a damn.
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Well the potential of a lynch mob outside cannot have helped deliberations, but possibly affected the outcome who knows? I care because JO's family did not get justice IMO.
 
A second juror speaks and there is a video in the article.

www.cbsnews.com

Karen Read juror confident in verdict, says "we couldn't prove there was a collision"

A juror in the high-profile Karen Read trial is confident in her decision and hopes the case can be reopened.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

Reaction from McCabe and Albert families.

www.cbsnews.com

Key prosecution witnesses in Karen Read trial call verdict "devastating miscarriage of justice"

Several key witnesses in the Karen Read trial released a statement on Wednesday, saying the verdict that acquitted her of the most serious charges is a "devastating miscarriage of justice."
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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Tresir said:
In the article i posted there was a link to this TMZ article which has the video interview right at the beginning. It is about 10 minutes long. I haven't watched yet.

www.tmz.com

Karen Read Juror Says He Felt She Was Innocent

Forget reasonable doubt, one of the jurors who voted to acquit Karen Read of a murder charge in her retrial says he felt she was completely innocent.
www.tmz.com www.tmz.com
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That juror recited some of the exact same problems @Guess Who and I had with the prosecution.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
The guy couldn't believe, like many of us, that his injuries were caused by Karen's car.
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And see I've had no trouble ever seeing that. I've seen plenty of people throughout all of this and in chats and more and both trials that said they were hit by a car in their life and the injuries or even lack of them varied widely. I think it was more reasonable doub or they felt it not conclusive. I've never overdefended the investigation either or I think she'd be long convicted. Never defended Proctor either. yet I disagree totally on the opinion. And we don't have to agree of course. And I never will.

And to me the D theory is crazy and this guy sort of said that, he was not close to sold on that.

Because an investigation was botched or not perfect (Delphi and this one), for me, that alone in no way makes a defendant innocent. It's unfortunate as it is being used a lot these days and LE needs to step it up, but that is the only effect it has on me. For me she confessed, and she hit him and it all makes perfect sense. Jury again imo didn't feel they could conclusively say that I guess and may not have entirely understood reasonable doubt.

Jmo of course.
 
GrandmaBear said:
And see I've had no trouble ever seeing that. I've seen plenty of people throughout all of this and in chats and more and both trials that said they were hit by a car in their life and the injuries or even lack of them varied widely. I think it was more reasonable doub or they felt it not conclusive. I've never overdefended the investigation either or I think she'd be long convicted. Never defended Proctor either. yet I disagree totally on the opinion. And we don't have to agree of course. And I never will.

And to me the D theory is crazy and this guy sort of said that, he was not close to sold on that.

Because an investigation was botched or not perfect (Delphi and this one), for me, that alone in no way makes a defendant innocent. It's unfortunate as it is being used a lot these days and LE needs to step it up, but that is the only effect it has on me. For me she confessed, and she hit him and it all makes perfect sense. Jury again imo didn't feel they could conclusively say that I guess and may not have entirely understood reasonable doubt.

Jmo of course.
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And to be clear, I don't think Karen is a very likeable person.
 
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