Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *NOT GUILTY* (Guilty of OUI) (17 Viewers)

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Indeed, YTers know full well what's bringing in the money and what isn't.
In a recent video, Pat Brown candidly explained why she's been hesitant to cover this case and it was because viewers turned against her.

Not sure who that is, do think you mentioned before.

Nate had no interesting in covering although many asked him to. It's not his neck of the woods though either which is normally where he tries to kind of stay.

Mike from Profiling Evil is not scared to come down on the P and D. He thinks the story ridiculous. And yes that type of viewer of his is NOT happy hearing it. Scott has flat out said some are NOT using their rational minds, they are blinded (so true imo) and I am paraphrasing but something on that order and some of his were not happy. There are some out there.

But yes, one story is a drunk gf hit her cop bf. The other is oh my a HUGE conspiracy, a fight, then lo and behold a dog bite to fit the injuries and more. Yeah which one are most going to take for views? Unless they are responsible people in what they do.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No he's good and not bad eye candy either.
He has also done the P closing so i may watch that today.

I thought you watched him on the P closing. Must have it mixed up.

It depends on the eye of the beholder. Yeah, he's not bad looking but as I said after watching several, he is very over the top at times imo. I wish he'd just talk as most of us do instead of get into some fast excited babble. Lol when I don't like someone that well, any attractiveness fades for me. And he is one that happened with. I still think he may be on something.

 

[Regina]

Yeah he isn't one that can see the P side much which I think is not wise for a lawyer, jmo. They should know both sides even if to strategize and so on. It also means he falls for thhese ridiculous tales and I can't believe a lawyer would do that.

Yet, there is one older female lawyer I really like, can''t think of her name right now, I can see her face in my head darn it. I have liked every show she has ever done and when I see her on, I will go in. Dark hair, gray ini it, pretty for her age I'd say. Older than me.

I did not know who she thought on this case and went in a few weeks ago and absolutely could not believe she totally believes in all this too. I almost left a few times but stuck it out for some reason, maybe hoping to here HER reasoning. Personally I wondered if she knew some of the people. I honestly don't know where she comes from or where she practiced.

Scott imo is the sanest I watch and sees it for what it is. He's done a few shows where he highlights both sides and how they are doing.I should finish the P closing, I never did do that.

I have listened one attorney a few times recently re this case, Tim Tympanick- I think he's a local, and I've enjoyed listening because he's level-headed and to the point.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have listened one attorney a few times recently re this case, Tim Tympanick- I think he's a local, and I've enjoyed listening because he's level-headed and to the point.

Not heard of I don't think. However different things probably come up for me than you. I don't search much for something, I usually refresh my screen eventually I hope what I subscribe to, etc. will come up. If I see someone new, may give them a try, just depends.

Sounds like the type I like. The ones that don't make news and our courtrooms one big circus and b.s. drama and look at it like it is.

 

[Regina]

It's very interesting that Read said as she pulled away, she was hoping John would call her back.
You know, I've shared that I've suspected that John's intention to go without her is what triggered her to reverse like she did.
Btw, she never said anything about going in reverse; in neither trial, did the defense address that fact. (Granted, that's not a good fact, lol)

 

[Regina]

I have to say that for all I know, John could have told her it's over and that was her trigger but whatever further fueled her anger, she inadvertedly said that she knew he wasn't gonna call her back.

 

[GrandmaBear]

She has lied so many times and changed stories I've lost count.

I just finished the P closing, been wanting to do that. Man was that exceptional, there is nothing that was not covered and backed up. Some details probably hurtful for mom and dad, all of this is, but again, they could not have asked for better. One of the best closings I have ever heard and I've heard a few.

I guess to be fair I should one day listen to the D but really don't want to. I can't think of one thing they could say that would change my mind or how Brennan dotted ever I and crossed every T, even down to exonerating the two women KR called for HELP who were not even friends of hers really. Yet they helped and later the D and her tried to annihilate and blame them.

I'm not sure I knew she ever said she left him at the Waterfall, that's what she told the first woman, then the other is told a different story. There are not words for all he proved and covered it takes watching it.

I had to find it again and could not recall quite where I'd been but guessed and think I came pretty close, might have missed a minute or two.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I have to say that for all I know, John could have told her it's over and that was her trigger but whatever further fueled her anger, she inadvertedly said that she knew he wasn't gonna call her back.

Both your posts on this hard to say. We know this, nothing she was trying was working for her. Not HIggins, not getting John's face, not being lovey dovey for a few moments in front of people, not the kids, nothing.

Whether he intended to go without her or not, she took him there. She is also the one who seemed to need the kids needed a sitter. They didn't the rest of the night but who knows. He may have intended to go alone and expected her to go be with them or go home, who knows I guess. Brennan said more than once that this relationship was in the DITCH, about over. No doubt in my mind either.

Boy the way he played clips of her through his whole closing, wow. She may well convict herself with all her stupid moves in an attempt to sell a false story.

Yeah she's lied many a time and changed the story. Brennan said how ridiculous it was for anyone to think John ever went inside the house and tons of data as he said shows he did not. All the other stuff true, basically shown to be false. I can't even imagine what the D did against that. Their witnesses were terrible and crumbled and their "experts". Now we have to hope the jury is pure.

He also mentioned a bit of the niece's testimony which we did not get to hear. Also a good move imo.

She is everything I thought she was, none of it good.

I could go on and on of all Brennan had to say. Glad I caught up. Do you know was there D and then did P get another chance or not? Seems to vary in different places.

 

[Regina]

She has lied so many times and changed stories I've lost count.

I just finished the P closing, been wanting to do that. Man was that exceptional, there is nothing that was not covered and backed up. Some details probably hurtful for mom and dad, all of this is, but again, they could not have asked for better. One of the best closings I have ever heard and I've heard a few.

I guess to be fair I should one day listen to the D but really don't want to. I can't think of one thing they could say that would change my mind or how Brennan dotted ever I and crossed every T, even down to exonerating the two women KR called for HELP who were not even friends of hers really. Yet they helped and later the D and her tried to annihilate and blame them.

I'm not sure I knew she ever said she left him at the Waterfall, that's what she told the first woman, then the other is told a different story. There are not words for all he proved and covered it takes watching it.

I had to find it again and could not recall quite where I'd been but guessed and think I came pretty close, might have missed a minute or two.

Did you get what I'm trying to say, though? The only way Read knew John wasn't taking her bait, so to speak- her leaving, is that she saw he wasn't and this was seconds before she revved in reverse.

Brennan did a good job of explaining Read's subsequent vm's to John, showing how and why they go from fury to panic to self-preservation.
Did you catch how he thanked ARCCA? LMAO!

 

[GrandmaBear]

Did you get what I'm trying to say, though? The only way Read knew John wasn't taking her bait, so to speak- her leaving, is that she saw he wasn't and this was seconds before she revved in reverse.

Brennan did a good job of explaining Read's subsequent vm's to John, showing how and why they go from fury to panic to self-preservation.
Did you catch how he thanked ARCCA? LMAO!

I get it, probably didn't really focus in ot it as I was finishing closing. Sorry about that.

He both thanked ARCCA and kind of dissed them a minute later LOL. Yes I caught that. Glad I did. I was listening to the closing fairly intently. One day may watch it again, unsure, first time one never knows what is coming, at times a second run is fun too.

 

[Regina]

Both your posts on this hard to say. We know this, nothing she was trying was working for her. Not HIggins, not getting John's face, not being lovey dovey for a few moments in front of people, not the kids, nothing.

Whether he intended to go without her or not, she took him there. She is also the one who seemed to need the kids needed a sitter. They didn't the rest of the night but who knows. He may have intended to go alone and expected her to go be with them or go home, who knows I guess. Brennan said more than once that this relationship was in the DITCH, about over. No doubt in my mind either.

Boy the way he played clips of her through his whole closing, wow. She may well convict herself with all her stupid moves in an attempt to sell a false story.

Yeah she's lied many a time and changed the story. Brennan said how ridiculous it was for anyone to think John ever went inside the house and tons of data as he said shows he did not. All the other stuff true, basically shown to be false. I can't even imagine what the D did against that. Their witnesses were terrible and crumbled and their "experts". Now we have to hope the jury is pure.

He also mentioned a bit of the niece's testimony which we did not get to hear. Also a good move imo.

She is everything I thought she was, none of it good.

I could go on and on of all Brennan had to say. Glad I caught up. Do you know was there D and then did P get another chance or not? Seems to vary in different places.

Despite Read's rant about the kids, only the niece was there; the nephew had spent the night elsewhere.

Yeah, it's the first trial where I've seen the defense go first.
And that hear ye, hear ye bit is also something new, lol.

 

[Tresir]

Despite Read's rant about the kids, only the niece was there; the nephew had spent the night elsewhere.

Yeah, it's the first trial where I've seen the defense go first.
And that hear ye, hear ye bit is also something new, lol.

Yeah apparently they always do it that way in Boston, D first. The hear ye, hear ye sounds like it is a throwback from our old town criers making public announcements LOL.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Despite Read's rant about the kids, only the niece was there; the nephew had spent the night elsewhere.

Yeah, it's the first trial where I've seen the defense go first.
And that hear ye, hear ye bit is also something new, lol.

They went FIRST? Did not know that. I didn't watch theirs nor in order. I watched the P. Pretty sure told otherwise by someone else. You are talking closings right?

Lol hear ye. The courts could get rid of SOME of the archaic stuff lol.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yeah apparently they always do it that way in Boston, D first. The hear ye, hear ye sounds like it is a throwback from our old town criers making public announcements LOL.

So each gets one turn but D first?

 

[Tresir]

Karen Read's defense wants verdict slip simplified as jurors deliberate murder charge

Jurors begin first full day of deliberations in Karen Read's second murder trial for the alleged hit-and-run death of Boston police officer John O'Keefe in 2022.

www.foxnews.com

Karen Read's defense team has filed a motion to amend the verdict slip in her second trial on murder charges as jurors return to the courthouse in Dedham, Massachusetts, for their first full day of deliberations in the death of Boston police officer John O'Keefe.
One of her attorneys, David Yannetti, told the court Friday after jurors broke for deliberations that he hoped his proposed amendments would make it less confusing after jurors deadlocked in Read's first trial last year, paving the way for the second, which began on April 22.
Yannetti warned that the existing verdict slip has a "real potential to confuse the jury and cause errors" – focusing on Count 2 – the drunken driving manslaughter charge. The slip indicates that jurors can find her not guilty of the charge and a series of included lesser offenses, or they can find her individually guilty of three less-serious crimes ranging from involuntary manslaughter to drunken driving.
Judge Beverly Cannone denied the motion in a handwritten note Monday afternoon.

 

[Tresir]

So each gets one turn but D first?

I believe so. There was no rebuttals either i don't think. But not sure about that.

 

[Kimster]

How long has the jury had this case?

 

[GrandmaBear]

How long has the jury had this case?

Like a day I think. Maybe a few addl. hours last week. Not long.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Karen Read retrial: No verdict reached after 2nd day of deliberations

The jury in Karen Read's retrial has had the case for about 9 hours across two days.

www.masslive.com

No verdict was reached on Monday in the Karen Read trial on the second day of jury deliberations.

Monday marked the first full day of deliberations in the case after more than 30 days of testimony across eight weeks. Jurors will resume their deliberations Tuesday morning at 9 a.m.

 

[Tresir]

Verdict slip is linked in the article and has also been put in the text of the article.

MSN


WCVB Boston

Verdict slips: Choices Karen Read jurors face​

Story by Jamy Pombo Sesselman
• 3d

Jury deliberations in the Karen Read retrial began Friday after weeks of testimony in the high-profile murder retrial that centered on the prosecution's theory of a rocky relationship that turned fatal and the defense's claim of a police cover-up.


The jury, which is made up of seven men and five women, will return verdict slips to Judge Beverly Cannone when deliberations come to an end.

Here's a look at the charges as they appear on the verdict slip:

Offense 001: Murder in the Second Degree

In the above-entitled case, we the Jury say that the Defendant is:


1.___ Not Guilty

2. ___Guilty of Offense as Charged: Murder in the Second Degree

Offense 002 - Manslaughter while Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence of Liquor

In the above-entitled case, we the Jury say that the Defendant is:

1. __Not Guilty of the offense charged or any lesser included offense.

2. __Guilty of offense as charged: Manslaughter while Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence of Liquor

( check one or both of the following):

__Manslaughter while Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence of Liquor

and/or

__ Manslaughter while Operating a Motor Vehicle with a Blood Alcohol Level of .08% or greater


3. __Guilty of Lesser included offense: Involuntary Manslaughter

4.__ Guilty of Lesser included offense: Motor Vehicle Homicide (Felony-OUI Liquor and Negligence)

( check one or both of the following):

__ Motor Vehicle Homicide by Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence of Liquor


and/or

__ Motor Vehicle Homicide by Operating a Motor Vehicle With a Blood Alcohol Level of .08% or greater

5. __Guilty of Lesser included offense: Operating under the Influence of Liquor

(check one or both of the following):

__ Operating a Motor Vehicle under the Influence of Liquor


and/or

__ Operating a Motor Vehicle with a Blood Alcohol Level of .08% or greater

Offense 003 - Leaving the Scene of an Accident Resulting in Death

In the above-entitled case, we the Jury say that the Defendant is:

I. _ Not Guilty

2. __ Guilty of Offense as Charged: Leaving the Scene of an Accident Resulting in Death