Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *NOT GUILTY* (Guilty of OUI) (48 Viewers)

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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Me too now, :lol:

Can't believe my use of kerb is so fricking funny........

angry how dare you GIF
OMG stop it, I may die from being unable to quit laughing this morning. I just never have seen that one before. I know many of the differences in our English but KERB? Never seen. I asked yesterday if they have an air quality test for here, probably shouldn't have, maybe they are now piping in laughing gas in this place. LOL.

I mean I know a ton of the different spellings and words but that's a new one to me.
 
Again lol relaxed now in life as to not taking such care lol but for years I had to. Why I get mad at legal filings and such like in Delphi with major mistakes. You triple or quadruple check that sh*t lol. Or should! And news a joke. LMAO. Don't they teach any longer? And these ones and those ones. Grammar.

And it IS CURB. I'm still chuckling.
Grammar these day is your mum's mum.

Anyway, this is such a gruesome thing to be discussing, we have to try and lighten it up a little or we would be crying.
 
Only in the US. The rest of the english speaking world say KERB.

Anyway, to be on topic I am posting at what speeds being hit by a vehicle is fatal. Now, as we know JO died of hypothermia as well as blunt force trauma so he could have been saved if she knew what had happened. Her judgement was severely impaired by alcohol and anger.

These are some links about it and SUVs are especially lethal.


Results show that the average risk of severe injury for a pedestrian struck by a vehicle reaches 10% at an impact speed of 16 mph, 25% at 23 mph, 50% at 31 mph, 75% at 39 mph, and 90% at 46 mph. The average risk of death for a pedestrian reaches 10% at an impact speed of 23 mph, 25% at 32 mph, 50% at 42 mph, 75% at 50 mph, and 90% at 58 mph. Risks vary significantly by age. For example, the average risk of severe injury or death for a 70‐year old pedestrian struck by a car traveling at 25 mph is similar to the risk for a 30‐year‐old pedestrian struck at 35 mph.


I've never defended our country as to language and spelling, believe me. Some makes no sense. like I before E except after C but then there are words that contradict that rule.

Never knew though that most are kerb, that as a new one to me.

But yes back to topic, I have little, little, almost no doubt she killed him. I don't go close to 100 in some cases but i am in this one, very close. Then she went home, well to his house and knew she needed to be a bit more sober and so on. Have you ever listened to the niece's testimony?

She needs to just take her lumps. She said it, she did it, and she was drunk and I think MAD. Proving that part though I think is harder. Which is where I think the other side may have reached too far before.
 
Grammar these day is your mum's mum.

Anyway, this is such a gruesome thing to be discussing, we have to try and lighten it up a little or we would be crying.
Yes nothing wrong with a bit of humor or humour--do I have the right spelling?
 
Grammar these day is your mum's mum.

Anyway, this is such a gruesome thing to be discussing, we have to try and lighten it up a little or we would be crying.
And it is gruesome and there is a victim and his family and a lot of people seem to forget that. It's the whole KR show. Sickening.
 
Yeah so she backed into him at 24mph and hit him with the right rear corner of her car as he was walking to or on the driveway and so it would have been his right side that took the impact and then he would have been tossed up in the air with the head injury occurring based on where he landed eg. Hitting the kerb or the fire hydrant or other hard surface. IMO. Probably lay unconscious and then hypothermia sped up his death IMO. Did they have an accident reconstruction specialist at the first trial?
He worked accidents, yeah; I think he was with the Canton PD.

Sorry, those people hired by the (Lord, help us) DOJ and put on as witnesses for the defense were provided with very little info. I don't think they even knew the speed of Read's vehicle. What I recall most clearly is that they actually made a cannon to shoot a glass at a bumper. LMAO!
On the other hand, the state witness was a trained and experienced vehicle accident investigator and fully informed. He also testified to other facts and circumstance re the vehicle data and what it all showed.
 
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This link is a good recap of this week's testimonies. There is a good diagram of the temperature of JOs phone over time.


Battery temperature data and the ‘Hos long to die in cold’ Google search.

Brennan urged jurors during opening statements to pay attention to the data presented at trial, especially GPS, health and battery data from O’Keefe’s cellphone.
The battery data presented at trial this week was new, but how much will jurors weigh that testimony in their decision?
Karen Read Trial

Special prosecutor Hank Brennan questions Ian Whiffin, a digital intelligence expert with Celebrite, about the data on John O'Keefe's iPhone during the retrial of Karen Read in Norfolk Superior Court in Dedham, Mass., Monday April 28, 2025. (Pat Greenhouse/The Boston Globe via AP, Pool)AP

Whiffin analyzed the battery temperature of O’Keefe’s phone and said it dropped to 72 degrees at 12:37 a.m. That would be around roughly six minutes after Read and O’Keefe arrived at 34 Fairview Road, according to testimony at the last trial.
At 1:36 a.m., the battery temperature dropped to 50 degrees, and then hours later, fell to 43 degrees by 6 a.m. By 6:14 a.m., the temperature reached 37 degrees.
That means O’Keefe’s cellphone battery temperature dropped 35 degrees in about 5 hours and 37 minutes.
Whiffin told jurors he conducted a test where he put an iPhone in a freezer, and that the battery dropped about 50 degrees in 15 minutes.
In a second test, Whiffin put the phone outside when the temperature was about 34 degrees, and the battery dropped 31 degrees in less than 15 minutes.
Alessi pointed out that O’Keefe’s phone only dropped 11 degrees in 15 minutes.
But Whiffin defended his testing, saying he didn’t know what condition O’Keefe’s phone was found in — whether it was in a pocket or a case, or something else. The testing proved that ambient temperature would affect a battery, he said.
Jurors also heard about one of the most contested issues in the case: a Google search for “hos long to die in cold,” with “how” misspelled.
When Massachusetts State Police used Cellebrite for an extraction of McCabe’s phone, it showed a 2:27 a.m. timestamp for the “hos long to die in cold” Google search, according to Whiffin.
Whiffen went into great detail during direct examination with Brennan and explained how timestamps were recorded on McCabe’s iPhone based on when she opened the tab, not the time she made the Google search. The expert showed how McCabe had made other Google searches about a youth sports team around 2:27 a.m.

The record for the search appeared as deleted, however, and Whiffin said he didn’t have an explanation for how that happened. He said he was “confident” the search was not deleted by user interaction.
Under questioning from Alessi, Whiffin said Cellebrite had updated its software so that the 2:27 a.m. search no longer appears. Whiffin agreed that a separate cellphone extraction tool used by law enforcement still registers the 2:27 a.m. time stamp on McCabe’s phone.
Whiffin offered lengthy testimony over two days.
 
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This link is a good recap of this week's testimonies. There is a good diagram of the temperature of JOs phone over time.


Battery temperature data and the ‘Hos long to die in cold’ Google search.

Brennan urged jurors during opening statements to pay attention to the data presented at trial, especially GPS, health and battery data from O’Keefe’s cellphone.
The battery data presented at trial this week was new, but how much will jurors weigh that testimony in their decision?
Karen Read Trial

Special prosecutor Hank Brennan questions Ian Whiffin, a digital intelligence expert with Celebrite, about the data on John O'Keefe's iPhone during the retrial of Karen Read in Norfolk Superior Court in Dedham, Mass., Monday April 28, 2025. (Pat Greenhouse/The Boston Globe via AP, Pool)AP

Whiffin analyzed the battery temperature of O’Keefe’s phone and said it dropped to 72 degrees at 12:37 a.m. That would be around roughly six minutes after Read and O’Keefe arrived at 34 Fairview Road, according to testimony at the last trial.
At 1:36 a.m., the battery temperature dropped to 50 degrees, and then hours later, fell to 43 degrees by 6 a.m. By 6:14 a.m., the temperature reached 37 degrees.
That means O’Keefe’s cellphone battery temperature dropped 35 degrees in about 5 hours and 37 minutes.
Whiffin told jurors he conducted a test where he put an iPhone in a freezer, and that the battery dropped about 50 degrees in 15 minutes.
In a second test, Whiffin put the phone outside when the temperature was about 34 degrees, and the battery dropped 31 degrees in less than 15 minutes.
Alessi pointed out that O’Keefe’s phone only dropped 11 degrees in 15 minutes.
But Whiffin defended his testing, saying he didn’t know what condition O’Keefe’s phone was found in — whether it was in a pocket or a case, or something else. The testing proved that ambient temperature would affect a battery, he said.
Jurors also heard about one of the most contested issues in the case: a Google search for “hos long to die in cold,” with “how” misspelled.
When Massachusetts State Police used Cellebrite for an extraction of McCabe’s phone, it showed a 2:27 a.m. timestamp for the “hos long to die in cold” Google search, according to Whiffin.
Whiffen went into great detail during direct examination with Brennan and explained how timestamps were recorded on McCabe’s iPhone based on when she opened the tab, not the time she made the Google search. The expert showed how McCabe had made other Google searches about a youth sports team around 2:27 a.m.

The record for the search appeared as deleted, however, and Whiffin said he didn’t have an explanation for how that happened. He said he was “confident” the search was not deleted by user interaction.
Under questioning from Alessi, Whiffin said Cellebrite had updated its software so that the 2:27 a.m. search no longer appears. Whiffin agreed that a separate cellphone extraction tool used by law enforcement still registers the 2:27 a.m. time stamp on McCabe’s phone.
Whiffin offered lengthy testimony over two days.It
I'll repeat, Brennan is good. And she (KR) and the D are a bit scared. I know not all of us can do it at all times, but I watched him in pretrial hearings. And watched the D and the new D guy. It was a VERY good move to bring him in. And what is said here, yes, the facts fit not the crazy D story.

And she and they have gotten stupider and louder this time around. I hope it bites her in the butt.

I am sorry for anyone who falls for that side of it but it just is not what happened.

I wasn't into this case at first, emu brought it, but I've looked at it all. She killed her bf whether intentional or accidentally. Period. Jmo.
 
He worked accidents, yeah; I think he was with the Canton PD.

Sorry, those people hired by the (Lord, help us) DOJ and put on as witnesses for the defense were provided with very little info. I don't think they even knew the speed of Read's vehicle. What I recall most clearly is that they actually made a cannon to shoot a glass at a bumper. LMAO!
On the other hand, the state witness was a trained and experienced vehicle accident investigator and fully informed. He also testified to other facts and circumstance re the vehicle data and what it all showed.
LOL they should have put a human dummy in a cannon and shot that at the back of the SUV at 24 mph.

Geez i am really in a stupid mood today. It must be weekend fever. Have i told you all about the early morning visitor i keep getting plus an occasional evening visitor too? I will stick it on the basement thread.
 
LOL they should have put a human dummy in a cannon and shot that at the back of the SUV at 24 mph.

Geez i am really in a stupid mood today. It must be weekend fever. Have i told you all about the early morning visitor i keep getting plus an occasional evening visitor too? I will stick it on the basement thread.
LOL. Stop it. Making me chuckle. Not seriously but yeah been a very odd day, week for that matter. Not all good either.

Now I need to go look for your basement visitor thing LMAO.
 
That's a good question. At first instinct I would have said no immediately unless defense but Brennan may try to put him up just to clear some things before it D's turn.

i really do think the D is gonna call him i can't see them NOT putting him on the stand since he screwed up the case with his antics and shenanigans end the fact he was fired as a result

They will absolutely have to have him testify if they want to bring in any "evidence" he submitted. Then those that didn't watch the 1st trial can witness just how inept he was when he can't answer simple questions about how and when he collected stuff and what he didn't do that is evidence collecting 101 and him self stating how he was the lead for evidence collecting.

He was fired for his handling of this case. Of course he'll testify for the defense. I think the prosecution gains much by putting him on.
 
He was fired for his handling of this case. Of course he'll testify for the defense. I think the prosecution gains much by putting him on.
Well most of the evidence they will need to consider eg the phone, taillight pieces and broken cocktail glass found that morning at the scene and the subsequent matching of the tailight pieces to KR's vehicle parked at her parents before they took it to the sallyport is all valid evidence and two officers were present so they may not need him necessarily.
 
He was fired for his handling of this case. Of course he'll testify for the defense. I think the prosecution gains much by putting him on.
Well you put up three different responses in your post. We all differed in our responses a bit and it was a good question too.

You think the prosecution will gain you say here now in your response by putting him on?
 
Well most of the evidence they will need to consider eg the phone, taillight pieces and broken cocktail glass found that morning at the scene and the subsequent matching of the tailight pieces to KR's vehicle parked at her parents before they took it to the sallyport is all valid evidence and two officers were present so they may not need him necessarily.
Good points. I just don't know though, may be wise to get ahead of it by the P before it is D turn. Or perhaps good not not to him and act like he is not that important until if and when D puts him up. Might sound like a broken record a bit but Brennan is good. He's up on it all and the sh*t in the first case and you name it. He can put u heckuva known argument in 15 minutes to a half hour and then the D guy takes 6 for instance in the pretrial hearing to say the same things over and over that a good atty would take again 1/2 for at most maybe and bores all to death over time.

Court is sickeningly somewhat of a dance at least in some cases, and I kind of hate that but he knows how to do that as well. D is like some overblown types and he knows how to counter it.

It is not going to be the same trial as the first. And it already isn't.

Jmo.
 

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