Gray Hughes received at least 7 hours of audio files from The Docket (he's often mentioned that he and The Docket spit the costs) and I've listened to at least 5 hours and I have yet to hear anything along the line of "the sex stuff isn't evil but the murder is".
Anyway, one thing of most interest to me so far is the info that Sterns appeared extraordinarily anxious on that Saturday and had asked both his parents for anxiety meds. Now, my line of thinking on that is whether it was a ruse, that is, whether he wasn't actually out of meds and that his intention was to use those on Madeline.
So it appears that it was at least twice during the search phase that Sterns was out of pocket. Based prior info from phone records, that first night, he was in the vicinity of where Madeline's body was found. (Info re phone recs. is from a prior Gray Hughes episode in which he'd correlated phone records.)
In yet another more recent GH episode (lol!) is that there was a canine hit on Jenn's vehicle and my take on those circumstances (Sterns location and hit on vehicle) is that he returned to the location of the body to somehow change the scene, that is, he either took or removed something but either way, he had contact with the body.
Btw, the body was found in St. Cloud which is where Jenn said they used to hike.
Re the next time he was unaccounted for, according to toll records, he'd been in Northport at 7:45AM.
(The father said Jenn called him that morn. looking for Sterns and he asked her how long he'd been gone and she said 25 minutes. My take on that is that 25 minutes is more likely how long she'd been up, not how long he'd been gone.
(Let's see, what else, lol!)
The living in the woods text on Madeline's phone appears to be unrelated to anything to do with any of the circumstances in the crimes.
There was a rather slow response from police that Madeline was missing, which is something I gathered early-on.
And the question soon arose as to why there was never an alert from the school that Madeline was absent...
Jenn's mother didn't like Sterns because "he didn't do anything". As for how long he worked at Disney- I don't know but he apparently hadn't worked anywhere since he moved out of the apartment the prior December.
*I don't know who the detective is but I take issue with his approach in an interview he conducted with one of Madeline's friends. He seemed to have tunnel vision and it also appeared to me he tried to ellicit rumor rather than firsthand knowledge. To be fair, after he'd obtained a certain amount of info from the witness, I can't say I actually listened to the rest of it.
*I think he might be who wrote that narrative as to his interpretation as to what Jennifer said about that not evil, that evil. (lol!)
That's all for now except that so far, it 's clear that Madeline told no one about the sexual abuse nor did anyone suspect it.
I find Gray's shows very hard to listen to. Not like I never did, but pretty rare. However, to me, anyone who is playing the interviews is what I'm after, the interviews and the released evidence, etc.
Well Maddie supposedly had a meltdown the very same day. She texted such to her friend. And asking her for help. Unfortunately the friend never saw it until Sunday.
I don't think Stephan was looking for meds for Maddie at all. Why would he, Jenn has a treasure trove of meds. He needed something to get himself under control.
When going to the scene, it may well have been to hide her better or just to ensure she was there and not been found, etc.
The living in the woods remarks is not evidence but sure could be indicative of how she wanted neither him nor Jenn around her and wanted to live on her own.
Yes, it was a slow response by LE or so it seems. No argument there. Once there though, they seemed to go at it from then on and it wasn't a day was it before the backpack and computer were found?
I haven't heard Jenn's mothers interview yet. I've been on hold with them last couple of days.
I think Maddie was upset when she found out he was coming, very upset. She'd been free of him. I also think he knew it or something was said to him by her OR she intended to and he sensed it and she said something to indicate it. it comes down to me it was either pregnancy or she was going to do something about it and out him. Why else? He never killed her in all the years prior. Unless it is something very sick and that he filmed and he wanted to have sex after. There are those that speculate such, I don't. I feel it is one of the first two things I stated.
Yes, he went back to the scene, this has been known prior to the info dump if I recall. 'And he went to Northport after getting dad to come to Orlando...
Further, dad said he told him he'd arrived at something like 6:30 on Saturday to the home, his destination but then per dad, Sunpass records show him traveling after that. Stephan has told everyone in interviews more than once he arrived about 8:30 I think. Maybe he just lied to dad and was not there yet... But still he could not have likely gotten in without Maddie home, no clicker I'm sure as he no longer lived there. So THIS one could be minor, hard to say, but a third thing to question...
While it's unlikely, we also have no way of knowing Jenn was never with him on ANY trip.
Somehow my remarks got out of order here. I trust it still makes sense. At least I think it did. My last typed remark is higher up than it should be.
I WAS going in order to your posted comments. Things got shuffled a bit and related things to my own comments separated a bit from the flow it was.
Per HIS parents, he worked at Disney for a year, longer than any job Jenn has ever held per them. Dad's version is he was done paying Jenn or her dad, etc. rent for Stephan. He also knew at $30K a year at Disney he would never be able to live on his own and support self in Florida. He thought bringing him home would save him the rent and since he had NOW shown he could keep it together long enough to hold a job for a year, he was going to put him to work getting him on a better paying path. However, he came home and reverted to old ways, doing NOTHING.
So from what THEY said, he worked at Disney the entire last year he was at Jenn's. I guess Stephan could have lied to them but they know a bit about where the pay comes from and the account for such, etc.
They seem very forthcoming. The mother does try to implicate Jenn and she defiinitely has her own speculation as to what happened and what was really going on but they never hesitated with answers and much of what they said was very unflattering to their son and brutally honest about his bad traits and more. A far cry from jenn's cautious and contradictory interviews and lyiing at least for him if NOT involved herself.
I noticed nothing in the interview with Madeline's friend. Please explain what you mean as to tunnel vision and his approach. It was one of the first I heard so maybe wasn't looking for that and just more wanting to hear what all had to say.
The part about that not evil was cited in something I watched where they claimed someone who had other recordings or transcripts or ones they had not been through yet said it but seems to be fact or somewhere in all the evidence, whether Jenn herself in an interview or in a report or something. Whoever I was watching and I now can't recall which one, I have three different channels up at least with all these recordings as they were all covering different ones at first on different days and so forth as they started going through the tons of things obtained, said it was somewhere in what was released because who she heard it on was either reading something or had the video playing and I can't recall that either.
I guess there is a SLIGHT chance it is not true or in the things released but it sounded pretty certain. I don't know that a detective put words in her mouth in a report and that's where it is, or do you know this?
As far as the friend, not sure why you didn't hear it all because if it is the one I am thinking of, it wasn't very long at all. Not two minutes but not any hour or probably even half an hour either.
I disagree with your last statement, respectfully. Her mother may have well suspected and even KNOWN. A ton think she SENT her kid to STEPHAN knowing full well for what. A ton think she was part of it all. And the majority think at minimum she suspected and had indications and/or know and just did not care. And I'm not talking about internet whackos, I am talking about other LE, attorneys, more looking at all of this and what is known.
I don't know what you've watched fully but Jenn is not adding up in all her interviews and she lied many a time. And then if you have seen a ton of them, what she says does not match what others say or what is known.
AT minimum she sent her child TO BED with an adult male. NO ONE DOES THAT. NO ONE! A 13 year old?? Emphasis is NOT at you. She's a horrible mother and also at minimum selfish and fully neglectful. It is her JOB to protect her child and make decisions in her best interests and safety.
I agree that no one interviewed so far (haven't seen all yet though) seemed to suspect or have been told by Maddie). HOWEVER any time they were there, the mother kept her OUT of the bedroom with BOTH STEPHAN AND JENN... Not just him, that thing of the three in bed together, etc...
BOTH THINGS are terrible parenting, the threesome in bed and the duo of Stephan and Maddie in BED together.
There's tons of interviews of Jenn, she is NOT unintelligent. And so...
The thing about so many interviews of various people in Maddie's life and the evidence known the inconsistencies when comparing all are everywhere. Or her version is entirely different than that of others. So is his.
By the way, I forget where I heard it but recently, I might have put something on for a couple of minutes last night, oh maybe STS so another has now covered, I DID watch that, found it worth it for the most part even though they were later to it.
But there is something about pictures Maddie was drawing at school which seemed to indicate she was trying to "tell" someone. Graphic ones if I recall.
Just ended my long work week, little sleep last two nights for sure and never much throughout it and I ingested a LOT on this dump of things already. I recall a LOT but not everything and I['ve damned between different places so I could hear different interviews as no one had all right away up and on.
Anyhow, emphass not at you but Jenn is way down in my book. And she never WAS up as in thinking she was some perfect mother. I did allow benefit of the doubt re naivete but heck a lot of that was even before we knew how many YEARS this had been going on...She just keep slipping and she's slipped BIG with me listening to what I have...
I know you don't agree.
Maddie's meltdown means something too. As do Jenn's lies and putting him over her daughter even after daughter is missing and continuing the lies. I have so many takeaways I couldn't even start to byplay them all with what I've listened to or share them all. I don't know how you come out with so few. But that's just differing I guess as we all can.
You know, it's just something too how easily Stephan just comes for a visit and both gets to sleep with Jenn's daughter and take Jenn['s car any time he felt like it. Such easy access to all. If this mom was going to smoke dope and sleep her life away on meds, she should have had her daughter locked in her room with her at minimum and him out of the house. Instead she pretty much gave him access to all. Maddie was 13, she had other renters in the home, does she NOT keep her keys up or hidden even? She wasn't even WORKING that day, and I'm wondering about this supposed doctor's appt. too. The times aren't adding up nor is it adding up she was sleeping when they left. And I see enough reason to wonder if she was killed Saturday night AND there are signs it may have happened DOWNSTAIRS. Have you hit that stuff yet?
Anyhow, enough. Didn't plan my head to get carried too far into it as not sure I'm ready to go watch more either. Been a week but they all are. There's just a ton of stuff.
Have you heard any roommate interviews? I haven't yet but I gather there are those too. Not sure if anything much in them or not. Just that there are a TON of interviews. I know her mom has one, does her sister...? Her dad??? Jenn's I mean.
