NATALIE WOOD: accidental or homicide?
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Well, you're not inclined to believe me, either (lol) but I remember him saying that and I remember that in his book, he referred to Davern by name only and that he took care of the boat.
Wagner had a beef with Walken at which time Natalie went belowdeck and at some point soon thereafter, shut the door.
Wagner's beef with Walken continued but was settled before Walken then went to bed. Wagner and Davern stayed up a little while longer before they also went to bed which is when Wagner discovered that Natalie wasn't in their room. He then went out onto the deck and noticed that the dinghy also wasn't there.
Wagner's beef with Walken continued but was settled before Walken then went to bed. Wagner and Davern stayed up a little while longer before they also went to bed which is when Wagner discovered that Natalie wasn't in their room. He then went out onto the deck and noticed that the dinghy also wasn't there.
Where is this account from? Wagners book?
It's not about believing you but believing whoever is giving the account.
I thought Wagner said she fell in while trying to secure the dinghy.
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I've never liked him, and that probably colors my opinion but look at how controlling with everything. With her, with the captain. Etc. Abusive imo and heard plenty that way. She was the bigger star imo. I watched probably all of Hart to Hart back in the day. Of course the way "Hollywood" is she was the hottie, not him as it was played, Not that that has anything to do with anything but dynamics imo could be seen.He was in charge of the boat so it is correct to call him the Captain. Wagner was the owner of the boat. The Captain would be responsible for Health and Safety on the boat and technical operations, so i am surprised he was not charged with anything actually. I have not seen any differing accounts from him so far but maybe i haven't seen them all.
He apparently passed a lie detector test but in this article it says he admitted lying initially. Doesn't say what about.
Natalie Wood Mystery: Captain of Yacht Passes Polygraph Test
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Natalie Wood Mystery: Captain of Yacht Passes Polygraph Test
By ABC News November 23, 2011
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The recently reopened case of actress Natalie Wood’s drowning death focuses on new information that may implicate those on board the boat the actress fell from 30 years ago, including the boat’s captain, who has passed a lie detector test.
Dennis Davern, the captain of the Splendour, the yacht which the actors were staying on, said that he heard Wood and husband Robert Wagner arguing moments before she disappeared. Davern has said that he believes Wagner had a role in Wood’s death.
Davern had a lie detector test performed on him by examiner Howard Temple, who says that the results of the polygraph “indicated he was telling the truth.”
In this exclusive interview with “Good Morning America,” Temple said Davern told him that after Wood’s death Wagner instructed him to not speak about the drowning.
“Davern made the statement that he stayed at the Wagner home … [was] told not to talk …Wagner paid for his therapy, and Davern could not leave the estate without bodyguards,” Temple said.
In an NBC interview last week, Davern said ”Yes I would say so,” when asked about Wagner’s responsibility. He admitted that he may have been at fault as well, saying, “We didn’t take any steps to see if we could locate her. It was a matter of don’t look too hard, don’t turn on search light, don’t call anyone.”
Davern also said that he lied to officials in the initial police report. It is unclear whether he could face charges if that’s true.
Davern’s motives in revealing this new information regarding the night of Wood’s death have been called into question after he co-authored a book about the actress’s death. He and Marti Rulli wrote the 2009 book “Goodbye Natalie, Goodbye Splendour,” about the circumstances surrounding the actress’ death. He and Lana Wood, Natalie Wood’s sister, asked authorities to re-open the case last year.
ABC News has learned that detectives have now interviewed Marilyn Wayne, the boater who was aboard a ship 40 yards away that night in 1981. She claims she heard Wood screaming for help moments before she allegedly drowned off the coast of Catalina Island in California.
“They talked to me about what I remember from the case all those years ago,” Wayne told “Entertainment Tonight.”
Wood, the star of film classics like “West Side Story” and “Rebel Without a Cause,” apparently drowned while boating with Wagner and actor Christopher Walken, with whom she was filming what would be her last role in the movie “Brainstorm.”
The official cause of Wood’s death was determined to be accidental drowning, but because there has been little concrete information about the circumstances surrounding the events of that night, speculation has been rife and the case remains one of Hollywood’s longest-running mysteries.
Lifeguard Roger Smith, who pulled Wood’s body out of the water, has told “Good Morning America” that he believes the actress may have floated alive for hours.
“I could have saved her,” Smith said, adding that he was “not called in time.”
So far Wagner and Walken, the two men with Wood that night, are keeping quiet regarding the reopening of the case.
When gossip website TMZ.com caught up with Walken in West Hollywood Tuesday to ask him what he thinks about the reopening of the case, Walken simply said, “I don’t know.”
Wagner, the now 81-year-old star of the TV series “Hart to Hart,” is still hard at work, making an appearance as a murder suspect on an episode of CBS’ “NCIS” this week.
Wagner was not charged in Wood’s death, and police plan to reach out to him as part of the re-opened investigation. They say he is not a suspect.
With reporting by ABC News’ Abbie Boudreau, Suzan Clarke and Sheila Marikar
The captain worked for a fairly famous couple, he certainly did not have that fame, had a job, probably wanted to keep it, and the onl employer left was Wagner. Wagner told him to shut his mouth, silenced him, etc. in true "hollywood" fashion. He isn't "anyone" like Wagner. Etc.
There are certainly differing opinions here but I've never once thought this accidental. I've always considered it homicide.
And of all causes of death and I don't want to help murderers but will say it somewhat that often gets ruled accidental or undetermined it is dying in water. Lord there is one I am trying to think of where I think they finally nailed the guy but it was not easy. It escapes me at the moment. Long ago. Not a star or anything.
The next one I'd say would be falling off a cliff or mountain edge or crashing over one, etc. Etc.
Then of course next is suicides which most do not believe were suicides but end up ruled that way.
A bit of a sidetrack but point is going back to IF they can't no for sure then it SHOULD always be undetermined imo.
For me, Wagner killed her and it's plain as day. Always has been.
I know all won't agree but jmo.
And he is is a control freak.
Again that's jmo. Interesting article.
Are you thinking of Scott Peterson? That was California too. There's probably a thread on here.
Scott Peterson returns to court 20 years after pregnant wife’s murder
Laci Peterson and her unborn child were found dead on the shore of San Francisco Bay in 2003
www.independent.co.uk
Link to thread.Are you thinking of Scott Peterson? That was California too. There's probably a thread on here.
Scott Peterson returns to court 20 years after pregnant wife’s murder
Laci Peterson and her unborn child were found dead on the shore of San Francisco Bay in 2003
OMG it was overturned?
Post in thread 'Scott Peterson Death Sentence Overturned' Scott Peterson Death Sentence Overturned
Yeah.
(In his book), he said that that's what makes the most sense to him but he also pointed out that nobody knows.