Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Okay, I am reading the DM one which I think I linked. I read a small part last night but didn't finish. Haven't finished this time either. I don't think I can take a lot more after like watching Lori Dumbbell and you name it.

So the "PRINCE's" girlfriend or whatever the he77 she is posted something saying KARMA? She was in an accident with a school bus? Virginia I mean? She hadn't been on SM in how long then jumped back on?

I honestly don't know what to think. I mean she fought so darned hard. I find it all odd. But again, can't finish right now, nor do I know what to think... Going to just have to leave this one sit, maybe it will sink in later or I will get back to, I don't know.

I mean no doubt she dealt with a lot and went up against powerful people, none of it easy I'm sure.

That Karma thing though, that PO'ed me to no end. What a witch. And the "prince" is a PUKE.

The Karma comment was from Victoria Hervey an old flame of the Prince. She says she is not taking it down.

 
The Karma comment was from Victoria Hervey an old flame of the Prince. She says she is not taking it down.

Not sure I can read another right now but yeah, in the one I was reading and quit reading she is calling her a fantasist and everything else. I got MAD, had to stop. Really walking the edge lately on cases and things that just aren't right.

Help me out with the sweat comment lol? I'm guessing royals don't and can't sweat lol? Otherwise I'm lost.all

You know, I have been like on and off FB in my life a few times. When I read she wasn't doing SM and then popped back on with all these odd comments and such, I really could not help but wonder if it was truly her. I'm not a conspiracy type but this case has SUCH names in it... I mean these women have even had to hide and you name it.

I'm not big into conspiracies, I think we know who is on the site, but there are times and SOME things.... I mean I don't know that I buy Epstein's suicide even. This case, I wonder, I just do. I mean he is in a BIG NYC jail and they are to watch him and look what happens. Boy how convenient...

Anyhow if I ever jump back on FB people would be able to tell it was me and I wouldn't start talking odd sh*t. First of all I'd have to figure out my old password and such to even go back.

I don't like to think conspiracy but this sure is good for some people, especially an icky prince.
 
Not sure if we will agree on this one but I don't like it. And that karma remark I hope she gets flack to no end for a long time over it.
 
Can't help it but old flames of princes, just have to say it, like Camilla with Charles.

I don't have a whole lot of respect for it while they are screwing around or messing around or with teenagers or you name it. Just saying they don't deserve a pass...
 
The royal thing is intriguing but it is also, I don't know....? Just like anything else with power and influence and position and image...?
 
Not sure I can read another right now but yeah, in the one I was reading and quit reading she is calling her a fantasist and everything else. I got MAD, had to stop. Really walking the edge lately on cases and things that just aren't right.

Help me out with the sweat comment lol? I'm guessing royals don't and can't sweat lol? Otherwise I'm lost.all

You know, I have been like on and off FB in my life a few times. When I read she wasn't doing SM and then popped back on with all these odd comments and such, I really could not help but wonder if it was truly her. I'm not a conspiracy type but this case has SUCH names in it... I mean these women have even had to hide and you name it.

I'm not big into conspiracies, I think we know who is on the site, but there are times and SOME things.... I mean I don't know that I buy Epstein's suicide even. This case, I wonder, I just do. I mean he is in a BIG NYC jail and they are to watch him and look what happens. Boy how convenient...

Anyhow if I ever jump back on FB people would be able to tell it was me and I wouldn't start talking odd sh*t. First of all I'd have to figure out my old password and such to even go back.

I don't like to think conspiracy but this sure is good for some people, especially an icky prince.
It was a big famous thing about Prince Andrew. Guiffre said one of the things they did that night was head to a disco, the four of them, Andrew, Guiffre, Epstein and Maxwell. She said Andrew was sweating buckets while dancing. Andrew in his famous BBC TV interview said that since the Falklands War (he was a helicopter gunship pilot) he has lost the ability to sweat so that was a lie LOL.

And of course this is now the third suicide in this case. Stranger than fiction.

Actually I think it is the fourth, because didn't one of the trial victims kill herself too?
 
Yes Carolyn died of an overdose.


One of Jeffrey Epstein's victims who testified against Ghislaine Maxwell in her trial for sex-trafficking minors has died of an accidental overdose.

Carolyn Andriano, 36, died May 23 of an overdose of methadone, fentanyl and alprazolam in a West Palm Beach hotel room, said Mike Jachles, spokesperson for the West Palm Beach Police Department.

She testified in 2021 that she had been addicted to "pain pills and cocaine" and that she had taken them "to block out" Epstein's sexual abuse. For four years, Epstein had abused her at his Palm Beach mansion, starting in 2001 when she was 14, she said.

Andriano lived in Wellington at the time of her death and leaves behind her husband, John Pitts Jr., five children (three under 10) and her mother, Dorothy Groenert.

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Jeffrey Epstein was accused of abusing as many as 500 underage girls, dating back to the 1990s. Arrested on sex trafficking charges, he died in 2019.
Andriano's is the second Epstein survivor known to suffer a fatal overdose in Palm Beach County. Leigh Skye Patrick died at age 29 in 2017. She, too, was found in a West Palm Beach hotel room.

Patrick's twin sister blamed her struggles with drugs on Epstein.

She "suffered tremendously and it started with Epstein," Selby Patrick told the Daily Mail in 2019. "She struggled with addiction since the time she met that guy."

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Waiting for judge to release Epstein grand jury transcripts in Post lawsuit​

The Palm Beach Post sued in 2019 to reveal grand jury transcripts after its investigation revealed that the first-ever prosecutor to consider charges against Epstein discredited the only victim to testify during the 2006 proceedings. What emerged was only one solicitation of prostitution charge, which reflected neither the victim's age nor the fact that police had found multiple victims.

Then-Palm Beach County State Attorney Barry Krischer could have stopped Epstein in 2006. Instead, Epstein pleaded guilty to the solicitation charge plus solicitation of a minor in 2008 and served 13 months at the Palm Beach County Jail in the "deal of the century."

Epstein was charged with the sex trafficking of minors by New York federal prosecutors in July 2019. In less than a month, he was found dead, hanging in his Manhattan jail cell.

Palm Beach County Circuit Court Judge Luis Delgado is reviewing the grand jury transcripts for release "in furtherance of justice" after the Fourth District Court of Appeal directed him to do so in May. The Post's lawsuit was based in part on the Florida law, which says grand jury materials can be released "in furtherance of justice." Delgado has had the transcripts since June.

More: Jeffrey Epstein: Judge receives 2006 grand jury materials in Palm Beach Post lawsuit

Jeffrey Epstein survivor Carolyn Andriano had bought a house in North Carolina​

Jeffrey Epstein in court in June 2008, pleading guilty to two prostitution-related charges.

Jeffrey Epstein in court in June 2008, pleading guilty to two prostitution-related charges.
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The West Palm Beach Police investigation into Andriano's death at the DoubleTree by Hilton in West Palm Beach should be concluded anytime, Jachles said. He said he expects her death will be ruled accidental by the Palm Beach County Medical Examiner, pending the toxicology report.

Andriano and Pitts had bought a $570,000 home in North Carolina a month before she died, according to court documents.

Pitts is involved in a legal battle with Groenert over Andriano's estate. Her will, naming her mother and two oldest children as beneficiaries, was signed in 2010 before she married Pitts and had three children with him.

Andriano had $183,000 in a savings account when she died, court papers show. Payments from the JPMorgan and Deutsche Bank settlements are expected.

Carolyn Andriano testified to a troubled past in Ghislaine Maxwell trial, said she knew of Prince Andrew incident​

After Maxwell was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison, Andriano told the Daily Mail that she had a troubled past and chaotic life when she first visited Epstein. She said she had been sexually abused when she was 4. Many of Epstein's victims had been sexually abused previously and their families struggled financially.

A juror said in an ITV documentary that Andriano's testimony had been crucial in convicting Maxwell, who she said arranged and participated in the abusive episodes at Epstein's Palm Beach mansion.

"Carolyn, her testimony was the most gripping and I felt the most compassion for her because she had literally had one of the hardest life stories," said the juror, identified only as David.

After the trial, Andriano revealed her identity and said the girl who had recruited her, Virginia Giuffre (then Roberts), told her about being sexually abused by Prince Andrew at the time it happened.

Maxwell is currently serving her time in a Tallahassee prison.

Virginia Giuffre (center) says she was forced at age 17 by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with Prince Andrew at the London home of Ghislaine Maxwell.

Virginia Giuffre, right, says she was forced at age 17 by Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with Prince Andrew, left, at the London home of … Show more
EVIDENCE IN A FEDERAL LAWSUIT
Andriano said she went to Epstein's mansion about 100 times, three or four times a week.

"I’m not ashamed at being a victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell," she told the Daily Mail. "For other girls that have been victimized, I want them to know that it is OK to come out and tell somebody — even if you don’t want to be identified — and the sooner the better.

Holly Baltz is an editor at The Palm Beach Post. You can reach her at hbaltz@pbpost.com.
 
It was a big famous thing about Prince Andrew. Guiffre said one of the things they did that night was head to a disco, the four of them, Andrew, Guiffre, Epstein and Maxwell. She said Andrew was sweating buckets while dancing. Andrew in his famous BBC TV interview said that since the Falklands War (he was a helicopter gunship pilot) he has lost the ability to sweat so that was a lie LOL.

And of course this is now the third suicide in this case. Stranger than fiction.

Actually I think it is the fourth, because didn't one of the trial victims kill herself too?
Now that you tell the sweating story, it rings a bell, and his claiming in the interview he can't sweat. It's probably been on here before, maybe by you, etc. This is a case I can take or leave at times, all of it, not one of my overall top ones. Yet as you know, have been up on it and in the thread most of the time.

Not sure if it's my darned memory or I just don't get that into it at times--so three other suicides? Help me here, of course I am well aware of Epstein's suicide. I do think there may have been on other victim that killed herself, can't recall who though, who do you mean would be the 4th?

You know, as I said, I ran into this like the middle of the night or something, and I went to find links for everyone but I just couldn't take it all in at that hour, just too much, and i'm still a bit that way. So I n ever saw comments until I went back and tried to read it all the next day (yesterday), and i still couldn't do it but scrolled down to comments quitting the article at a point. And saw that almost no one is believing this is a suicide...

My first thoughts on reading MOST of it, not all, were that it wasn't either. Again I'm not a conspiracy person but these cases/this case, when there are very powerful people that can be brought down, well, it is hard not to wonder... I also do not believe in too much coincidence... So if four suicides? NO, too hard to buy. Heck I only half buy the suicide in Delphi. When freedom, careers are at stake, power, or reputations well... And that's got nowhere near the powerful people involved nor as high up imo...
 
If only Epstein had been dealt with correctly in 2008 with his Florida convictions, all this could have been avoided.
I can't disagree. I don't know that it would have stopped all else but it is something that should have happened. It was obvious and awful that there was power or money that caused that, or knowledge, or all three combined. Big names. So on.

It was downright evil that he got off and things were just let go with a tickle if anything. Not even a real slap.
 
Five suicides = Epstein, Jean-Luc Brunel, Carolyn, Leigh, Virginia.

I'm sure there are more.

From my post 1930 -

"Andriano's is the second Epstein survivor known to suffer a fatal overdose in Palm Beach County. Leigh Skye Patrick died at age 29 in 2017. She, too, was found in a West Palm Beach hotel room.

Patrick's twin sister blamed her struggles with drugs on Epstein.

She "suffered tremendously and it started with Epstein," Selby Patrick told the Daily Mail in 2019. "She struggled with addiction since the time she met that guy." "
 
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Five suicides = Epstein, Jean-Luc Brunel, Carolyn, Leigh, Virginia.

I'm sure there are more.

From my post 1930 -

"Andriano's is the second Epstein survivor known to suffer a fatal overdose in Palm Beach County. Leigh Skye Patrick died at age 29 in 2017. She, too, was found in a West Palm Beach hotel room.

Patrick's twin sister blamed her struggles with drugs on Epstein.

She "suffered tremendously and it started with Epstein," Selby Patrick told the Daily Mail in 2019. "She struggled with addiction since the time she met that guy." "
Yeah, I'm not buying all the suicides. For very big people it benefits doesn't it if all just die. Too similar some. And so on. Who was Jean Luc was that the guy that was involved? Sorry that I have to ask but I just can't go back through it all, I know there was a Frenchmen, designer or some such?
 
Well Florida let him off and Palm Beach was his playground. Makes perfect sense... Let's get the guy's name out here again who let him off. I keep forgetting it.
 
Yeah, I'm not buying all the suicides. For very big people it benefits doesn't it if all just die. Too similar some. And so on. Who was Jean Luc was that the guy that was involved? Sorry that I have to ask but I just can't go back through it all, I know there was a Frenchmen, designer or some such?
The French Epstein. He ran a "model" agency and provided many underage girls to Epstein.
 

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