AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY!*


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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.




After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”
 

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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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I absolutely don't believe him. I don't think he should be getting death threats, but I really do not believe his story. Unless you have a dash cam, who records a video while driving down the street unless you know something is going down?
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Questions remain as to why Bryan was there and the reason he started recording. Bryan’s attorney, Kevin Gough, would not allow Bryan to answer, citing the pending investigation.

“My client was responding to what he saw, which was someone in the community he didn’t know being followed by a vehicle he recognized. Without going into details about the level of crime in this community in this subdivision, I think most people in this subdivision were aware that there were issues,” Gough said.
 

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I absolutely don't believe him. I don't think he should be getting death threats, but I really do not believe his story. Unless you have a dash cam, who records a video while driving down the street unless you know something is going down?
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Questions remain as to why Bryan was there and the reason he started recording. Bryan’s attorney, Kevin Gough, would not allow Bryan to answer, citing the pending investigation.

“My client was responding to what he saw, which was someone in the community he didn’t know being followed by a vehicle he recognized. Without going into details about the level of crime in this community in this subdivision, I think most people in this subdivision were aware that there were issues,” Gough said.
Ive been wondering the same thing.
 

GrandmaBear

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GrandmaBear

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Well if that's true, it will come out!

She references it more than once in the podcast above. Seems like she has it from an article in MSM or somewhere like that. She states he would have known who Arbery was and recognized him from prior to anything to do with their neighborhood. Memory isn't great but I think Arbery ended up getting 5 years on probation in that case and McDaniels was one of the main ones on that case...
 

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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Here ya go.


A suspect in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous investigation of him, recused prosecutor says

One of the men accused in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous prosecution of Arbery, according to a letter written by a prosecutor who has since recused himself from the case.

In an April 7 letter, Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill wrote that his son and the suspect, Gregory McMichael, helped with an earlier prosecution of Arbery when they both worked for the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office.

Barnhill's letter, sent to the office of Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr, did not specify what the prior prosecution was for or when it took place.

The Brunswick News has reported Arbery was indicted for allegedly bringing a gun to a 2013 high school basketball game when he was 19. Family attorney Lee Merritt has acknowledged Arbery's 2018 arrest on shoplifting charges. But any reference to "alleged conduct from high school or shoplifting is absurd and has nothing to do with his murder," Merritt said.

"We've been here before" whether it's Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Arbery's father. "When they kill our children, they then try to assassinate their character and I know they're going to do that with Ahmaud Arbery."
 

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In a letter obtained by The New York Times, Barnhill told Glynn County Police Capt. Tom Jump that Arbery's mother did not want him in charge of the case since his son worked for Johnson.

"She sees a conflict in that my son works in the Brunswick District Attorney' s Office where Greg McMichael retired some time ago," he wrote. "She believes there are kinships between the parties [there are not] and has made other unfounded allegations of bias [es]. As such, I believe it is better for my office to step out and am going to recuse myself and the Assistants working for me from handling the case."

After reviewing autopsy reports on April 1, Barnhill told Jump that there were "no grounds for an arrest."

(Read the NY Times letter attached which conflicts with Barnhill's statements.)
From the letter;
Second As to the case at hand: It is my professional belief the autopsy confirms what we had already viewed as shown in the video tape, with the photographs & from the witness statements taken immediately at the scene. The autopsy supports the initial opinion we gave you on February 24th , 2020 at the briefing room in the Glynn County Police Department after reviewing the evidence you had at that time. We do not see grounds for an arrest of any of the three parties.

Fifth The video made by William Bryan clearly shows the shooting in realtime. From said video it appears Ahmaud Arbery was running along the right side of the McMichael truck then abruptly turns 90 degrees to the left and attacks Travis McMichael who was standing at the front left corner of the truck. A brief skirmish ensues in which it appear Arbery strikes McMichael and appears to grab the shotgun and pull it from McMichael.
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Arbery's mental health records & prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man .

 

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Here ya go.


A suspect in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous investigation of him, recused prosecutor says

One of the men accused in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous prosecution of Arbery, according to a letter written by a prosecutor who has since recused himself from the case.

In an April 7 letter, Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill wrote that his son and the suspect, Gregory McMichael, helped with an earlier prosecution of Arbery when they both worked for the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office.

Barnhill's letter, sent to the office of Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr, did not specify what the prior prosecution was for or when it took place.

The Brunswick News has reported Arbery was indicted for allegedly bringing a gun to a 2013 high school basketball game when he was 19. Family attorney Lee Merritt has acknowledged Arbery's 2018 arrest on shoplifting charges. But any reference to "alleged conduct from high school or shoplifting is absurd and has nothing to do with his murder," Merritt said.

"We've been here before" whether it's Tamir Rice or Trayvon Martin," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Arbery's father. "When they kill our children, they then try to assassinate their character and I know they're going to do that with Ahmaud Arbery."

I had not heard the comments from Arbery family's attorneys but understand them; the point I heard was more in line with McDaniels having an unfair or preconceived judgment or opinion of Arbery already and knowing who he was and that he was no stranger to him. To me, any prior knowledge like that makes the perps look even worse.
 

GrandmaBear

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My overall opinion in life is that media and politicians, especially these days, race bait. However, this case, whether it was race or anyone they thought beneath them, even a white from the wrong side of the tracks in their "superior" attitude, I don't know. I do as I said earlier in this thread, suspect if they found out their good buddy's son was a suspect or even if they caught a friend's child in the act,, they would never have reacted the same way whatsoever.

These three should have sat their arses home and used video if they truly had it of wrongdoing.

This did look like a hunting party/vigilante thing, NOT a citizen's arrest.

 

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Ex-detective charged in death of Ahmaud Arbery lost power to make arrests after skipping use-of-force training

The former police detective whose actions in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia were defended as a citizen’s arrest was stripped of his law enforcement certification and power to arrest a year before the deadly encounter, according to personnel records acquired by The Washington Post.

Gregory McMichael’s certification was suspended in February 2019 after repeated failures to complete required training, according to documents from the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office, including a warning in 2014 that McMichael had neglected to finish mandatory firearms and use-of-force courses.

Gregory McMichael’s personnel documents provide an incomplete account of his employment history with Glynn County, but they indicate that he was stripped of his powers to arrest people on at least two occasions: once beginning in January 2006 — because of an undisclosed infraction the previous year — and again in February 2019, when the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council (POST) issued a suspension order for “failure to maintain training for the year 2018.”
 

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Ex-detective charged in death of Ahmaud Arbery lost power to make arrests after skipping use-of-force training

The former police detective whose actions in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia were defended as a citizen’s arrest was stripped of his law enforcement certification and power to arrest a year before the deadly encounter, according to personnel records acquired by The Washington Post.

Gregory McMichael’s certification was suspended in February 2019 after repeated failures to complete required training, according to documents from the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office, including a warning in 2014 that McMichael had neglected to finish mandatory firearms and use-of-force courses.

Gregory McMichael’s personnel documents provide an incomplete account of his employment history with Glynn County, but they indicate that he was stripped of his powers to arrest people on at least two occasions: once beginning in January 2006 — because of an undisclosed infraction the previous year — and again in February 2019, when the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council (POST) issued a suspension order for “failure to maintain training for the year 2018.”

Wow. He couldn't even arrest as an officer?
 

Howell

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Kinda surprised, honestly, by the tone of this thread. Long-time Crimewatchers ought to be well familiar with how the media work and a bit more skeptical of this story. The deceased was 25 years old, so why are we only being shown a photo from his high school yearbook? Could it be that more recent photos are less flattering?
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Was he really just a "jogger"? Does his attire suggest that he was just out for a jog? Did his behavior?

We've all seen the video. It's clear that Arbery was jogging/running and then confronted by two men in a truck. It's equally clear that he ran around the front of the truck and rushed the driver, who subsequently shot him. That's what happened, and that's called self-defense.

Keep in mind that this took place in February, when the police who responded to the scene saw no need to make arrests. The DA saw no need to pursue charges. Likely because he saw the CCTV footage of Arbery trespassing into a construction site, which prompted the 911 call, and the pursuit.
Why wasn't the CCTV footage shown by the media at the same time as the shooting video?

You are being fed an obviously false narrative. "Racist whites murder innocent unarmed black jogger"!!! Just as George Zimmerman magically became white after shooting Trayvon Martin, Arbery has become just a "jogger". No, not exactly. He was a convicted criminal, trespassing on a site which had been trespassed multiple times.
 

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Kinda surprised, honestly, by the tone of this thread. Long-time Crimewatchers ought to be well familiar with how the media work and a bit more skeptical of this story. The deceased was 25 years old, so why are we only being shown a photo from his high school yearbook? Could it be that more recent photos are less flattering?
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Was he really just a "jogger"? Does his attire suggest that he was just out for a jog? Did his behavior?

We've all seen the video. It's clear that Arbery was jogging/running and then confronted by two men in a truck. It's equally clear that he ran around the front of the truck and rushed the driver, who subsequently shot him. That's what happened, and that's called self-defense.

Keep in mind that this took place in February, when the police who responded to the scene saw no need to make arrests. The DA saw no need to pursue charges. Likely because he saw the CCTV footage of Arbery trespassing into a construction site, which prompted the 911 call, and the pursuit.
Why wasn't the CCTV footage shown by the media at the same time as the shooting video?

You are being fed an obviously false narrative. "Racist whites murder innocent unarmed black jogger"!!! Just as George Zimmerman magically became white after shooting Trayvon Martin, Arbery has become just a "jogger". No, not exactly. He was a convicted criminal, trespassing on a site which had been trespassed multiple times.
I can only speak for myself but I have fallen for no such thing. I have no doubt the news leans a certain way and so does some of the narrative. However, in this case, especially with one man having been in law enforcement himself and an investigator to boot, I think his decision and reaction were nothing short of stupid and uncalled for, and probably illegal, to put his son in a truck with him and for both to grab weapons and go after this man. They apparently over time had proof of nothing or with his connections, I would think LE would have arrested Ahmaud previously and charged him or at least questioned him. I even allow in my mind for the fact Ahmaud may have been up to no good, but I am not going to say that about a dead victim as I don't know. Even if that was the case, my opinion is based on the overall, thus far, facts. He was not on their property or threatening them, they went after him, they had proof of nothing to my knowledge proving any thefts were due to him, he did not threaten them, they did him by having firearms and chasing him down.

All that being said, I also understand your opinion and that is often where I stand in many cases. This one, however, I see a bit differently. I think their reaction and decision to go after him was wrong. If he had been armed, they could well be dead as well depending on who they were chasing, not saying that specifically about Arbery but anyone they may have thought to be a criminal or thief. I do not believe they would have reacted the same had they found who they believed to be stealing was a friend's son, etc. It is interesting you bring up Zimmerman because I felt a bit differently in that case. However, he encountered someone on his own property. To me, that adds to the point here, we have a former investigator law enforcement officer that looked for evidence to bring charges in his career, he has to know the trends today and the law for sure, and know the Zimmerman case where that man defended his own property and was still charged, or at least if some believe he was not defending himself, in that case, someone was on HIS property in HIS home basically, here we have none of that for reason or cause to actually even chase someone down with a vehicle and firearms. My opinion may change in this case as more facts come out but I don't think my opinion about them going after him will change. However, I also totally understand your opinion and while I haven't said it much here, I doubt this victim was an angelic choir boy, but I also don't know enough to judge him or what he was doing that day. It is not like they just saw him run out of an occupied neighbor's home with a bloody machete, I might see it somewhat differently then; he didn't even have anything on him that looked like he took anything. I will say and it may not be popular that I don't truly see this as enough for first degree for a slam dunk certain conviction but it is likely they will be made an example of and if they decrease the charges any bit, people will yell. People are also correct though in my opinion that if this situation was reversed, two black men going after a white man with weapons and a vehicle in the same circumstances would be locked up the same night, that is a difficult one to believe otherwise. In whole though, I get disgusted with some cases made into a racial thing when sometimes I don't think it applies. All of this is just my personal opinion and I am only speaking for myself. I enjoy discussion of all points of view .
 

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