NC WADESBORO JANE DOE: WF, 33-50, found in wooded area in Wadesboro, NC - 12 May 2022 - Seen when alive

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP114419
Female, White/Caucasian
Date Body Found: May 12, 2022
Location Found: Wadesboro, North Carolina
Estimated Age Range: 33-50 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

On 8/22/2021, a white female was observed on a trail camera set up in the area for hunters. Still photographs are attached. In February 2022, near where the remains were discovered, a backpack was found by rabbit hunters who removed an undisclosed amount of cash from it and left the backpack in the woods. It was not able to be located after the remains were found.
Clothing
Black bra (Secret Treasures Size 34 C), fragments of panty hose/leggings. Deterioration of fabric prevents color/size determination.

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A white woman was seen on a trail cam and later a #JaneDoe was found deceased. No one knows her name! Wadesboro #JaneDoe, #NorthCarolina May 2022

Clothing Black bra (Secret Treasures Size 34 C), fragments of panty hose/leggings. Deterioration of fabric prevents color/size determination.

www.crimewatchers.net

 

[Kimster]

@Carbuff I almost moved this for discussion before you asked! It's a very interesting case, that's for sure! Do you have more info?

 

[Carbuff]

@Carbuff I almost moved this for discussion before you asked! It's a very interesting case, that's for sure! Do you have more info?

No, I'm just always interested in cases involving hikers, and this one ought to have a lot of clues.

She looks injured to me, like she's using that branch as a crutch and leaning on it pretty heavily.

 

[Carbuff]

Namus includes the coordinates where she was found. Looks like that's here: 34°58'21.0"N 80°06'26.0"W · Wadesboro Township, NC. Which appears to be Culpepper Creek.

This is not an isolated area. It's not far from a major highway and there are scattered houses through the area.

Namus includes additional information, my emphasis: "Skeletonized human remains were discovered during land survey in a wooded area behind a National Guard Armory in Anson County, Wadesboro, NC. Some clothing present on the remains."

 

[Kimster]

I don’t understand the comment about the backpack? Any theories?

 

[Carbuff]

I don’t understand the comment about the backpack? Any theories?

August 2021 -- Woman on video.
February 2022 -- Rabbit hunters find a backpack in the vicinity. They take the cash but leave the rest of it.
May 2022 -- Woman's remains found. It sounds like the rabbit hunters must have contacted LE about the backpack, but LE wasn't able to find it. It might or might not be related.

The woman in the video doesn't seem to be carrying a backpack, but she might have dropped it earlier.

 

[Kimster]

August 2021 -- Woman on video.
February 2022 -- Rabbit hunters find a backpack in the vicinity. They take the cash but leave the rest of it.
May 2022 -- Woman's remains found. It sounds like the rabbit hunters must have contacted LE about the backpack, but LE wasn't able to find it. It might or might not be related.

The woman in the video doesn't seem to be carrying a backpack, but she might have dropped it earlier.

I guess the fact that there was cash in it might lead them to believe it could’ve been hers.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I shouldn't have looked at this. Don't need another to get all hung up on lol.

So the little here tells little. Was she found BECAUSE she was seen on the trail cam?

Also curious as to why it would be thought she was hiking?

Any hint of whether, murder, accident, nature, suicide?

So this was actually in recent years...

Who takes money and then leaves a backpack allegedly which then can't be found for some reason...

And then the reported taking the money? Did they do so because once the body was found they knew it might be relevant and had consciences? Or did they just worry the trail cam may have picked them up?

She's hardly dressed--any clothing found elsewhere?

It's eerie to see the trail cam pics because the immediate assumption is someone else is there and filming her.

Why won't they disclose the amount of money? Of course they'd only have the men's word for it I suppose...

Is this all there is, no articles or any more on it?

My first gut instinct wasn't a hike it was something more sinister involving someone having her under control out there. Part of that is probably the camera which again isn't a person holding it but a trail cam but also she's close to nude and it's just odd. And who takes money in a backpack on a hike?

Lol like I said I shouldn't have looked as now I am way curious but can't commit the time.

 

[Carbuff]

I agree with you, Grandma Bear. She looks to me like she's injured--leaning heavily on that stick--bruised and nearly naked. I think somebody took her out there, beat her and probably sexually assaulted her, and left her for dead. Then she tried to walk out but didn't make it.

I couldn't find any articles about finding the body.

 

[Carbuff]

Found a couple of recent articles. Apparently it's not just us--there was nothing released about her until the Namus page became public a couple of weeks ago.

It's speculated she might be Amber Rae Johnston (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)) who went missing from Winston Salem NC. April Reid has been ruled out on dentals.

Two years later, skeleton of female found behind Wadesboro Armory remains unidentified | Anson Record

WADESBORO — Frustration and concerns remain over the skeleton of a female discovered in the Wadesboro woods back on May 12, 2022.

ansonrecord.com

Questions continue to swirl over unidentified remains | Anson Record

WADESBORO — The discovery of a Jane Doe found in the Anson woods behind the National Guard Armory has gained the attention of armchair detectives across the country in the form of conversation threads…

ansonrecord.com

 

[Carbuff]

And finally a response from LE.

Anson County detective provides update on unidentified remains | Anson Record

WADESBORO — In response to the speculation and rumors surrounding the discovery of an unidentified skeleton found behind the National Guard Armory back on May 12, 2022, Detective Brian Tice reached…

ansonrecord.com

High points:

They're treating it as a homicide though they don't have a cause of death.

They don't know for sure the gender of the skeleton. Probably female but not one hundred percent sure.

They don't know for sure if the woman in the photo is the decedent. The remains were found 1300 yards as the crow flies from the camera--if my arithmetic is right, that's three-quarters of a mile. So not real close.

Most of the rabbit hunters and backpack story is wrong--there is a backpack, but unknown if related and didn't contain anything useful.

 

[Mel70]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP114419
Female, White/Caucasian
Date Body Found: May 12, 2022
Location Found: Wadesboro, North Carolina
Estimated Age Range: 33-50 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

On 8/22/2021, a white female was observed on a trail camera set up in the area for hunters. Still photographs are attached. In February 2022, near where the remains were discovered, a backpack was found by rabbit hunters who removed an undisclosed amount of cash from it and left the backpack in the woods. It was not able to be located after the remains were found.
Clothing
Black bra (Secret Treasures Size 34 C), fragments of panty hose/leggings. Deterioration of fabric prevents color/size determination.

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A white woman was seen on a trail cam and later a #JaneDoe was found deceased. No one knows her name! Wadesboro #JaneDoe, #NorthCarolina May 2022

Clothing Black bra (Secret Treasures Size 34 C), fragments of panty hose/leggings. Deterioration of fabric prevents color/size determination.

www.crimewatchers.net

Wow. Those pictures are disturbing.

 

[Mel70]

And finally a response from LE.

Anson County detective provides update on unidentified remains | Anson Record

WADESBORO — In response to the speculation and rumors surrounding the discovery of an unidentified skeleton found behind the National Guard Armory back on May 12, 2022, Detective Brian Tice reached…

ansonrecord.com

High points:

They're treating it as a homicide though they don't have a cause of death.

They don't know for sure the gender of the skeleton. Probably female but not one hundred percent sure.

They don't know for sure if the woman in the photo is the decedent. The remains were found 1300 yards as the crow flies from the camera--if my arithmetic is right, that's three-quarters of a mile. So not real close.

Most of the rabbit hunters and backpack story is wrong--there is a backpack, but unknown if related and didn't contain anything useful.

If they have the pelvic bone they can tell. Usually with the skull, Based on the eyebrow area.

 

[Guess Who]

If they have the pelvic bone they can tell. Usually with the skull, Based on the eyebrow area.

That also depends on animal activity and if those particular bones were available or their condition. It would seem that they could extract at least that much info testing the interior portion of them. I can see not being able to get a DNA match but at least with to determine whether male or female.

 

[Carbuff]

If they have the pelvic bone they can tell. Usually with the skull, Based on the eyebrow area.

That's what the article says, too. They've got about 94.5% certainty in this case but not one hundred percent.

I don't know what's going on with the DNA. Some of the detective's comments sound like the remains were quite damaged and had to be sent for extra processing. Amber Johnson's detective implied the same thing.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Found a couple of recent articles. Apparently it's not just us--there was nothing released about her until the Namus page became public a couple of weeks ago.

It's speculated she might be Amber Rae Johnston (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)) who went missing from Winston Salem NC. April Reid has been ruled out on dentals.

Two years later, skeleton of female found behind Wadesboro Armory remains unidentified | Anson Record

WADESBORO — Frustration and concerns remain over the skeleton of a female discovered in the Wadesboro woods back on May 12, 2022.

ansonrecord.com

Questions continue to swirl over unidentified remains | Anson Record

WADESBORO — The discovery of a Jane Doe found in the Anson woods behind the National Guard Armory has gained the attention of armchair detectives across the country in the form of conversation threads…

ansonrecord.com

This is outrageous that a body was found and LE kept it to selves for almost two years?!! I'm sorry but that's instantaneously suspicious and questionable. Who or what are they protecting?

I'd think if this was Amber, her mother would recognize her from the pictures even if not having seen for awhile or in this condition. And maybe she does but we don't know.

I agree with the commenter that this needs to go back to the men and the backpack and it SOUNDS like (or is it being assumed) they said nothing about it or the money until she was found. I think it also needs to go back to the trail cam owner, he still had pics or had he just discovered them when she was found? Had he seen them prior? ODD. If someone is or was with her out there, they are aware of the cam as they aren't seen OR DOES LE have pics of someone else? Have we ever seen the ones they assume she might be running in that aren't so clear? Probably not as it sounds like other than LE, the PUBLIC had no idea a missing woman was even found TWO YRS AGO. At least that's how it sounds.

Who owns the land, do we know? I'd say hunters, cam owner and landowner all need to be scrutinized.

What was her cause of death also?

I agree with your scenario as VERY likely. She was likely assaulted and left for dead or sadly, I'd think it has crossed minds, hunted and chased and assaulted if this is a girl off a bus not from there.

Of course there is the slim possibility she was alone and it was all natural causes but I most seriously doubt it.

What's their big reason for secrecy in this? Huh? You don't FIND a dead body that isn't THAT OLD and not seek answers from the public about anyone missing or who may know anything. This department DESERVES to be under fire.

Most of us don't jump to corrupt or the thought something stinks or reeks of it UNLESS for instance LE acts like this. There's little other explanation imo when such secrecy was employed.

The case also if homicide would have been relatively fresh when found. To put out questions if anyone saw this or that or a vehicle, or whatever selective info, etc. but now it's "old".

No conclusions thus far but the ones I am forming so far as this department deserves to be under fire by their citizens and the entire public.

I think backpack men are somewhat disgusting. More than one man agrees it is okay to take money and say nothing EVEN if found oddly in this area in a backpack. That's ODD and something clearly caused it to be left. Whether a bank robber, someone met a bad fate as she did, etc. They could have had consciences but I don't think so. They when she was sfound and certainly if they found out about trail cam pics would have to call their buddies and say we better go in there and come clean with this or that story. Are THEY on trail cam? Did THEY see her body? Did they go back because THEY DID IT? See where they've put themselves by doing such?

It makes sense it is Amber in a few ways. They aren't saying it isn't. She was traveling across country on a bus and money in a backpack would fit that scenario. Did these men really find it when they said or were they the ones that got her out there and took it then... And DISPOSED of the backpack which is why it was not found OR she had it on her (the money). They made themselves suspects in my eyes...

\FINALLY is any man in the group of hunters the person who has the trail cam up or one and the same?????? And owns the land?????

 

[GrandmaBear]

And finally a response from LE.

Anson County detective provides update on unidentified remains | Anson Record

WADESBORO — In response to the speculation and rumors surrounding the discovery of an unidentified skeleton found behind the National Guard Armory back on May 12, 2022, Detective Brian Tice reached…

ansonrecord.com

High points:

They're treating it as a homicide though they don't have a cause of death.

They don't know for sure the gender of the skeleton. Probably female but not one hundred percent sure.

They don't know for sure if the woman in the photo is the decedent. The remains were found 1300 yards as the crow flies from the camera--if my arithmetic is right, that's three-quarters of a mile. So not real close.

Most of the rabbit hunters and backpack story is wrong--there is a backpack, but unknown if related and didn't contain anything useful.

I have to say I have major problems with what is a response FINALLY received by them. Things like he was "quick to point out" made me laugh a bit scornfully. They quickly provided NOTHING.

And his bewilderment that they sent info to other LE agencies, how is that putting it out to the public or your own area? Seems like selective semantics.

This is two years ago and they don't know if the body is female or male? I don't buy it. And won't even give a guess or percentage if they think it's her. They know imo just from the clothing vestiges whether it is camera girl or not.

Tice says that they are not looking at Amber but at local residents and then says but they don't have any. HUH?

And of all those things and MORE, I cut this for a prime example:

Widely connected to the case is a report of rabbit hunters in the area coming across a backpack near the site of the remains and removing money from it before alerting authorities to its existence. Tice is quick to share this is a mistake, saying he is, “not sure how this information was leaked, it is not an accurate account. There was no large sum of money found… no wallet or identification.” While confirming that a backpack was indeed found, he adds that he is “not sure if it is related.”

It's a MISTAKE or mistaken info but then he is NOT SURE HOW THIS WAS LEAKED. Leaked info means it is info you have, no??? So does he mean the mistake was Namus and no one was to ever know that or even know about this case? Or that there is such info but tries to claim it's wrong but yet it leaked so it must be info they possess... HUH?

And then we have in the story we first knew backpack was reported and LE and hunters couldn't find it when told of their story but now there WAS a backpack found and unsure if related.

Since we know LITTLE here in this case, I'm apt to change my views as more info comes BUT as of right now, I'd trust anyone but LE and this guy and Namus over them.

They have already had TWO YEARS and hid even news of this find or so it seems. Yeah maybe someone DID leak, one has to wonder, knowing there is something shady going on here by his partners or others in an agency, etc.


I do NOT normally think that way and again with more info, I may well change that opinion but LE does not have to tell the world all but when they secrete a very death or body fiound and so on, they do it to selves and it reeks from the start.

They've had two years to investigate, two years to determine if male or female, match or disqualify DNA and so forth. TWO YEARS. And FINALLY SOMEHOW it goes on Namus and people find out some things through some avenue and FINALLY LE answers and did not do a very good job of it in my opinion.

If they want to dispelll speculation, Tice's responses haven't done so. For me he calls what is not in his opinion true, a LEAK.

Thank you for all the finds and articles @Carbuff I did not need to get interested in something like this or another but I'm snagged now.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Wow. Those pictures are disturbing.

Most definitely. Disturbing. Haunting. If you had them on your trail cam wouldn't you call them in and say I don't know if anything's wrong here or what the deal is but I have some images my deer cam caught of a woman....

 

[GrandmaBear]

If they have the pelvic bone they can tell. Usually with the skull, Based on the eyebrow area.

They know. Imo. In fact his using the nowadays gender thing was imo a way to say they don't know to 100.1 percent. I don't like almost one bit of his response. They also know whether the shards of clothing on the dead body are likely what the woman was seen in on the pics. To believe it is someone else then we have to believe someone else out there donned her discolored garments after they were already going to hell on her and have taken them off. It's all total b.s. I have not seen this case out there on anyone but online people will tear what he said apart. ANd in this case they should.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That also depends on animal activity and if those particular bones were available or their condition. It would seem that they could extract at least that much info testing the interior portion of them. I can see not being able to get a DNA match but at least with to determine whether male or female.

I'm at a loss why it would be thought there's no DNA? They say it is being waited on, the results, as to Amber. Of course Tice didn't say that, the detective on her case did. I find that hard to believe after two years unless someone is intentionally stalling it.

I'm just lost as to why you think that? DNA can be pulled from bone and more. Yes it can deteriorate and such.

We see cold cases every day way older that are being solved with the genetic genealogy, bodies tons of years beyond how long she laid out there.

I could be clueless, I've had a long several days and we had our late blizzard of the year after an almost balmy winter that no one was complaining about.

Personally I think they know these answers but they aren't sharing. They for SURE know he likelihood from many a thing even if nothing scientificall solid to share but I see no reason they should't have that by now either after TWO years.