ID JOSHUA VALLOW & TYLEE RYAN: Missing from Rexburg, ID - Sept 2019 - Age 7 & 17 *Found Deceased*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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I know that Means supposedly has done very little criminal work, but do you suppose he is smart enough to slow down the process so that Lori does easier time in county jail for 18 months, then a mental facility for a year (which would also slow down extradition to AZ by the way), so that she spends less time in a prison (which is much more terrible)? And I imagine that an AZ prison is much more terrible than an Idaho one. What do you think? Is he that smart? 2 or 3 years less hard time out of a life or death sentence?
 

GrandmaBear

Deputized Emu Slayer/Horse Thief Hunter
I am wondering similar things. From various lawyer opinions, former LE opinions, what Means filed, I have to wonder if he is concerned that Lori herself can contact people and say things to her own detriment and he has no control over that...

He is dissed even by experts/professionals but I sometimes wonder too, is he dumb like a fox? I think that of her as well much of the time... Play the messed up, slow, bureaucratic, red tape system, with all having to give defendants way more than every right and chance because of appeals...

I can't help but think and keep in mind that allegedly his office is right in the same building as John Prior who is and has done criminal defense... At times he seems to have piggybacked on Prior or let's just say they awhile back kind of had the same goals/interests with Chad and Lori charged together...

People speculate that Chad has bailed or will bail on Lori, etc. but there is no divorce and per something I read not long ago, Chad was still paying for Lori's defense until this recent claim of indigency right before the new charges...

I tend to think this is all being worked, and sickly, in a probable legal strategy and defense. Think of cases where five people say the other did it... And one cannot always testify against the other... And no one in LE can be sure who did it. If that doesn't work, cut a deal. Only at the end after dragging out and going as long and as far as one can...

I cannot for the life of me understand Means staying on as he has through all of this and why a court cannot say NO because what judge wants an appeal on incompetent counsel? Yet the public and the very prosecutor is saying that for them basically.... Professionals are calling Means incompetent, think about that. It would be brilliant almost if that was the plan... All are thinking one will bail on the other... Hmm.

I have not always thought this nor have been sure but right now I don't think Chad and Lori have bailed on each other whatsoever... The system is being played... And boy do we know that it can be played.

I pray all of the many victims see justice in this case. It may take longer than our lifetimes however and they already lost theirs due to this evil duo and others, imo.

Cynical day.
 
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Kimster

Let's Find Michael Bryson!
Staff member
I am wondering similar things. From various lawyer opinions, former LE opinions, what Means filed, I have to wonder if he is concerned that Lori herself can contact people and say things to her own detriment and he has no control over that...

He is dissed even by experts/professionals but I sometimes wonder too, is he dumb like a fox? I think that of her as well much of the time... Play the messed up, slow, bureaucratic, red tape system, with all having to give defendants way more than every right and chance because of appeals...

I can't help but think and keep in mind that allegedly his office is right in the same building as John Prior who is and has done criminal defense... At times he seems to have piggybacked on Prior or let's just say they awhile back kind of had the same goals/interests with Chad and Lori charged together...

People speculate that Chad has bailed or will bail on Lori, etc. but there is no divorce and per something I read not long ago, Chad was still paying for Lori's defense until this recent claim of indigency right before the new charges...

I tend to think this is all being worked, and sickly, in a probable legal strategy and defense. Think of cases where five people say the other did it... And one cannot always testify against the other... And no one in LE can be sure who did it. If that doesn't work, cut a deal. Only at the end after dragging out and going as long and as far as one can...

I cannot for the life of me understand Means staying on as he has through all of this and why a court cannot say NO because what judge wants an appeal on incompetent counsel? Yet the public and the very prosecutor is saying that for them basically.... Professionals are calling Means incompetent, think about that. It would be brilliant almost if that was the plan... All are thinking one will bail on the other... Hmm.

I have not always thought this nor have been sure but right now I don't think Chad and Lori have bailed on each other whatsoever... The system is being played... And boy do we know that it can be played.

I pray all of the many victims see justice in this case. It may take longer than our lifetimes however and they already lost theirs due to this evil duo and others, imo.

Cynical day.
Means Could be educated enough in Criminal cases to be dangerous.
 

Kimster

Let's Find Michael Bryson!
Staff member
I know that Means supposedly has done very little criminal work, but do you suppose he is smart enough to slow down the process so that Lori does easier time in county jail for 18 months, then a mental facility for a year (which would also slow down extradition to AZ by the way), so that she spends less time in a prison (which is much more terrible)? And I imagine that an AZ prison is much more terrible than an Idaho one. What do you think? Is he that smart? 2 or 3 years less hard time out of a life or death sentence?
Could be. Here’s this guy is with one of the most infamous criminal cases of this decade so he must be doing something behind the scenes In order to ramp it up. I mean, look what Jose Biaz did? And it worked.
 

GrandmaBear

Deputized Emu Slayer/Horse Thief Hunter
Means Could be educated enough in Criminal cases to be dangerous.
Very possible. He did go to law school. And I can't recall for sure but I think he has handled smaller criminal matters just not felony murder and such I believe. I mean the man does/must know the basics of law as to motions, subpoenaes etc. and I think all attys know how to slow things down or create issues. Even if something filed is a nuisance or not correct, it still has to be addressed or dismissed, etc...

And he may just know way more than we think or have more help than we think...
 

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