GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired *ARREST*



(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
 

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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Jail Only Allowed White Staff to Guard Ex-Officer Charged With Killing George Floyd

Staff members working at the jail that held Derek Chauvin, the white officer charged with murder in the killing of George Floyd, say that only white employees were allowed to guard him when he was first brought to the facility last month.

Eight officers have filed complaints with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, saying that the superintendent of the Ramsey County jail in St. Paul kept them from bringing Mr. Chauvin to his cell — or even being on the same floor as him — last month, solely because of their race.

The officers, half of whom are black and all of whom are people of color, said the orders from the superintendent, Steve Lydon, who is white, amounted to segregation and indicated that he thought they could not be trusted to do their jobs because they are not white.

After initially denying that officers’ contact with Mr. Chauvin had been determined by race, a spokesman for the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Office acknowledged the move this weekend and said Mr. Lydon had been temporarily removed from the superintendent role as the sheriff investigates the officers’ claims.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
Jail Only Allowed White Staff to Guard Ex-Officer Charged With Killing George Floyd

Staff members working at the jail that held Derek Chauvin, the white officer charged with murder in the killing of George Floyd, say that only white employees were allowed to guard him when he was first brought to the facility last month.

Eight officers have filed complaints with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, saying that the superintendent of the Ramsey County jail in St. Paul kept them from bringing Mr. Chauvin to his cell — or even being on the same floor as him — last month, solely because of their race.

The officers, half of whom are black and all of whom are people of color, said the orders from the superintendent, Steve Lydon, who is white, amounted to segregation and indicated that he thought they could not be trusted to do their jobs because they are not white.

After initially denying that officers’ contact with Mr. Chauvin had been determined by race, a spokesman for the Ramsey County Sheriff’s Office acknowledged the move this weekend and said Mr. Lydon had been temporarily removed from the superintendent role as the sheriff investigates the officers’ claims.
Again, just catching up. I cannot even remember what cases I was following.

They just don't get it at all do they? Smh.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'

He is the ONLY officer I may look at just a bit differently... I am not dismissing him but I do not put his level anywhere near Chauvin... As far as I recall, he was the ONLY one who said something...
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
No med expert but even I do not have a lot of trouble believing this... For reasons I don't want to think about...

 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
The following imo is worth reading. It really touches on public information, right to know, complete picture, too much publicity etc. and that there may be a bit of another side to things, not that I see any excuse still for what was done by this man, by the key officer for sure, Chauvin, and see nothing that ever would excuse that...

 

Howell

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Interesting footage. So apparently, Floyd claimed he couldn't breathe well before he was even placed on the ground. Might that have influenced the officers' decisions when he later claimed that he couldn't breathe?

The more pertinent question might be why this footage had to be leaked at all. We've seen the bystander videos for two months. The court has had the bodycam video for over a month. Shouldn't everyone have been allowed to see this immediately?
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
Interesting footage. So apparently, Floyd claimed he couldn't breathe well before he was even placed on the ground. Might that have influenced the officers' decisions when he later claimed that he couldn't breathe?

The more pertinent question might be why this footage had to be leaked at all. We've seen the bystander videos for two months. The court has had the bodycam video for over a month. Shouldn't everyone have been allowed to see this immediately?

Most of the time I try to be honest so I will here and say I went to watch the footage after I posted this for others but the Daily Mail dragged things down so bad I didn't. I meant to go back later and watch it on my other system or look for other articles that hopefully had it.

In the People article though, it does say this is body cam footage from two of the officers I believe. Why it was not shown right away, I have no idea, or at least by now. We are talking LE though, and unions and more. And officers and red tape and politics I suppose.

And yes, it does say "leaked". So.... First there is a leaker.... Was this the leaker's first chance or was it orchestrated... Darned if I know.

But again, I have to admit I actually have not watched this one. I just tried again but the darned website... So I am not going to claim I saw it when I did not. I meant to share it then watch it but I didn't.

I did however, read the People article, and part of the one at Daily Mail, as far as the gun pointed at him and so forth.
 

Howell

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Most of the time I try to be honest so I will here and say I went to watch the footage after I posted this for others but the Daily Mail dragged things down so bad I didn't. I meant to go back later and watch it on my other system or look for other articles that hopefully had it.

In the People article though, it does say this is body cam footage from two of the officers I believe. Why it was not shown right away, I have no idea, or at least by now. We are talking LE though, and unions and more. And officers and red tape and politics I suppose.

And yes, it does say "leaked". So.... First there is a leaker.... Was this the leaker's first chance or was it orchestrated... Darned if I know.

But again, I have to admit I actually have not watched this one. I just tried again but the darned website... So I am not going to claim I saw it when I did not. I meant to share it then watch it but I didn't.

I did however, read the People article, and part of the one at Daily Mail, as far as the gun pointed at him and so forth.
I assumed you already knew this, but People magazine and The Daily Mail are tabloids. That is, they're not reputable sources of information. Once you're able to watch the bodycam footage, I'd be interested to hear if it impacts your opinion on this case at all.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
I assumed you already knew this, but People magazine and The Daily Mail are tabloids. That is, they're not reputable sources of information. Once you're able to watch the bodycam footage, I'd be interested to hear if it impacts your opinion on this case at all.
I know this. I don't do People, Daily Mail or even MSM. Crime Online, Nancy Grace, The Sun. Heavy. Nor most MSM because they can't get facts straight and all misconstrue in their rush to get it out there.

Except for crime headlines; I only look for crime headlines and I will be on one or another to see if there are updates.

But yes, I admitted I actually have not watched it. And I haven't. When I do, I will offer an opinion and look forward to discussing it.

The opinion I do have in almost all cases or hot topics that get major or national attention is that people, media, groups and politicians will come in to use that hot topic or case to their advantage and many will "pretend" they care.
Jmo.
 

Howell

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Another video has been released in the Floyd case. This is the bodycam footage from Officer Tou Thao:


Please keep in mind as you're watching: The officer wearing this bodycam(Tou Thao, ostensibly a "person of color") was not only immediately terminated from his job as a police officer, but has been arrested/jailed/charged with Aiding and Abetting 2nd Degree Murder; a charge which carries a sentence of up to 40 years in prison.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
Another video has been released in the Floyd case. This is the bodycam footage from Officer Tou Thao:


Please keep in mind as you're watching: The officer wearing this bodycam(Tou Thao, ostensibly a "person of color") was not only immediately terminated from his job as a police officer, but has been arrested/jailed/charged with Aiding and Abetting 2nd Degree Murder; a charge which carries a sentence of up to 40 years in prison.

I just finished watching this. It is quite the video. I would not want to be an LE officer in this day and age. However, I am not sure what your point is. The first how many minutes of it did not even show Floyd on the ground and what they were doing to him while the crowd is telling them not to and that he was no longer resisting or responding, etc.?.
 

Howell

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I just finished watching this. It is quite the video. I would not want to be an LE officer in this day and age. However, I am not sure what your point is. The first how many minutes of it did not even show Floyd on the ground and what they were doing to him while the crowd is telling them not to and that he was no longer resisting or responding, etc.?.
Well, I presumed the point was obvious from my post, but I'll clarify. As is clear from the video, Officer Thao did little more than provide crowd control for the other officers at the scene. Yet, he was immediately terminated from his job and charged with a serious felony. So I'm asking, as you watch this video, if you think he's guilty of Aiding and Abetting 2nd degree murder. The Minnesota statute reads as follows:
A person is criminally liable for a crime committed by another if the person intentionally aids, advises, hires, counsels, or conspires with or otherwise procures the other to commit the crime.

Do you think Tou Thao is guilty of that?
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
Well, I presumed the point was obvious from my post, but I'll clarify. As is clear from the video, Officer Thao did little more than provide crowd control for the other officers at the scene. Yet, he was immediately terminated from his job and charged with a serious felony. So I'm asking, as you watch this video, if you think he's guilty of Aiding and Abetting 2nd degree murder. The Minnesota statute reads as follows:
A person is criminally liable for a crime committed by another if the person intentionally aids, advises, hires, counsels, or conspires with or otherwise procures the other to commit the crime.

Do you think Tou Thao is guilty of that?
Gee, I don't know. That is up to a jury to decide, that is our system and a prosecutor to decide if there is enough cause to charge and then a judge to decide if what is shown at a preliminary is enough to go forward. That is our system. I certainly am not saying it is a perfect system or never used or abused...

There are TWO officers here who I think perhaps do not deserve the same view as the other two and none deserve what Chauvin does imo. One cop DID say something or try to--Lane. He deserves the least of any of them. And even may have been worth keeping in the job as he as a rookie said something. He did not challenge a superior who would dare?? but he did put it out there, twice I believe.

The two long term cops deserve the most. And that would be Chauvin and Thao. Thao was the one of the bunch who MAY have been able to say something to Chauvin as Thao was an 11 year officer of the force--about Chauvin letting up on his HOLD. The only one with any guts or attempt to do the right thing was a rookie against two senior officers--Thomas Lane, I think he is the main one unfairly charged.

Yes, Thao is aiding by MN law. He is complicitly aiding. He has 11 years and he does not say one thing to stop it. Does it even bother him? Or is this the routine? Yet a rookie tries to say something who probably wants to keep his new job.

All of that said, is he the one who had the foot on Floyd? No. Yet that goes back to the letter of the law. In many states some youth was with a friend on a theft or what he thought was only going to be a theft and the friend murdered someone and the one who had no clue goes away for years along with the friend as they were present.

Cops should know even better than any what the actual law is... Pretty hard for me to believe Thao did not know long term veteran of the PD that he was...

Watching that video, you will probably try to argue or pick an argument, but maybe not and maybe you will surprise and agree, but my first thought when they were trying to get him out of the car and force him out of the car, etc. was just leave him. No danger, he was not hurting anyone else, he was not driving... Just leave him closed in there and surround the car and wait him out and do not let anyone drive off with the car... This was a call about a bill that was fake currency not a murder or injury to anyone... Hardly a big time emergency situation or hold...

The other thing that struck me in this video was Floyd was if not combative, immediately resistant... This is where I would hate to be LE. What are they to do? However, they have rules. Yet they weren't followed as far as what Chauvin did. But then some are written rules and then there are the silent department rules...

Finally, the bystanders going on and the one saying she was with the fire department etc.... And the officers are dumb enough to comment on this later on body cam about she says she is with the Mpls FD and about the black man that said he did the LE test etc. and they joke about it recorded??? NOT smart.

However, it gave a political look to me that almost seemed planned from the very start and just look where the case went and what occurred with it nationally... And with protests and all...

I will stop there. You are asking about Thao. I think this video shows a lot about many things that should be addressed... I don't believe they will be though in any right way, they will be in ways that are used for the purpose of whoever and whatever... And for the show of whoever... Or the vote...

So, I don't know... I am not really arguing nor agreeing... And honestly I think higher ups were just fine with this practice or way of doing things... And the cops are blamed...
 

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