Germany BREMEN JANE DOE: WF, 28-32, found in Weser River near Bremer Weserstadion in Bremen, Germany - 30 July 2002 - Charkov jewellery made in 1956

The Doe Network: Case File 490UFDEU

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Reconstruction of Victim, Jewelry

Date of Discovery: July 30, 2002
Location of Discovery: Bremen, Germany
Estimated Date of Death: Unknown
State of Remains: Unknown
Cause of Death: The victim had been strangled

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 28 - 32 years old
Race: Caucasian
Sex: Female
Height: 167cm
Weight: 50kg
Hair Color: Dark blonde, curly hair, 43 cm long. Possibly permed.
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Thick eyebrows. Slender build. She may have a 10-12 year old child. Shaved body hair. Manicured, long nails with gold and purple polish. Purple polish on her toenails. No scars, nor fractures.

Identifiers
Dentals: Available. Natural teeth without anomalies. All wisdom teeth erupted. She had dentals fillings.
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Bright cotton slip, size 140 (child size).
Jewelry: Hair clip with a sharp, green butterfly as ornament; Silver earring with a red stone (produced in 1956 in Charkov / Ukraine), in the right ear; Golden earring with black stone in the left ear.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim was located in the Weser river, near the Bremer Weserstadion. She was wrapped in linen, a plastic bag and air cushion, and then in a carpet (2m x 3m). She is possibly from eastern Europe

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Polizeipräsidium Bremen
Agency Phone Number: +49 (0)421 362-3888 or +49 (0)611 55-13101
Agency E-Mail:

E-mail
Information Source(s)
BKA

 
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Mel70

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It states she may have been a 10-12 yr old. Not when her Wisdom teeth had erupted. I stick to the other estimate of 28-32. Just a very small woman.
 

Mel70

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The earring from 1956 is interesting. Sure you can get those things at a pawn shop or the like. But I get the feeling it was important to her. A family item. Probably a family member that has died. I am guessing her mother.
 

GrandmaBear

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The earring from 1956 is interesting. Sure you can get those things at a pawn shop or the like. But I get the feeling it was important to her. A family item. Probably a family member that has died. I am guessing her mother.
That is unique, I think it more likely from a family member too. I was thinking a grandmother (but maybe passed down from her mother) because at the age of 28 to 32 a family death would often be a grandparent although it certainly could be a parent as well.
 

GrandmaBear

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I was 10, 19, 31 and 33 when my Grandparents died.
Yeah, it varies with me too, the age I was when each died. I was only thinking her mother would not have been elderly and while it possible the mother died, she would have died before old age.
 

GrandmaBear

Deputized Emu Slayer/Horse Thief Hunter
Oh whoops. Thank you.
No problem. I had to read it twice myself. It is interesting that IF she has a child, they have an age range. Something is telling them that... Either something found with her or on her? A locket, a photo, something else? I thought of like a C section scar but could they tell the age?
 

Mel70

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It states no scars. Maybe her daughter had the other earring. I've had several friends who's mothers died when they were children or young.
 

GrandmaBear

Deputized Emu Slayer/Horse Thief Hunter
It states no scars. Maybe her daughter had the other earring. I've had several friends who's mothers died when they were children or young.
Okay, if it says no scars then that means no C section. That means that is not how they suspect she may have had a child so that can be ruled out. I don't think it said daughter.

I know people too who have had their mothers die when young, I said that it is possible and that I just figure it is more likely a grandmother, etc. It also could be possible she simply was wearing a piece of vintage jewelry she purchased somewhere, although I tend to think it was a family piece with meaning. Any of those things are possible.

You totally lost me on her having a daughter who has the other earring? If they knew she had a daughter, wouldn't they say that? And know who she was then?
 

Mel70

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It doesn't say she had a daughter but if she had a child her wearing only one maybe she had a daughter and gave the other one to her.
 

The Coffeenator

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Just a heads up that the Doe Network can be horribly inaccurate at times when it comes to their international cases. I guess it's a translation issue and they use Google Translate, which can alter the actual meaning of words and sentences completely. Just keep that in mind when reading the case files on that page (and probably using GT in general).
 

Mel70

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Just a heads up that the Doe Network can be horribly inaccurate at times when it comes to their international cases. I guess it's a translation issue and they use Google Translate, which can alter the actual meaning of words and sentences completely. Just keep that in mind when reading the case files on that page (and probably using GT in general).
Oh dang. Didn't know that. TYVM for the heads up.
 

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