Ahmaud Arbery shot while jogging in Georgia - shooters not arrested *ARREST*

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.




After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”
 

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GrandmaBear

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But who is the arbiter of what is "racist" or not? And by what standard?
Has anyone else here EVER used a racial slur? If so, does that make you a "racist"? Or does it only matter if you uttered/texted/posted it within the last 2 weeks? 6 months? 12 years? Would it be fair to use that against you?

"Proof of motive" is a ridiculous argument. The defendants are charged with felony murder. Do the texts/posts suggest that the defendants wanted to deliberately kill a black man? Of course not. If they did, I would have no problem with them being admitted into evidence. We all know they say nothing like that.

I'm not directing this to you personally, Gar, I'm just responding to the article you posted.
In all fairness, we have not seen the posts, texts, etc. So I don't think anyone can say. There are more than just the camera man's per the AJC article. And it sounds as if there are some that are quite something on which detail has not been provided, at least to the public. The McMichaels have some things as well. And when you take that with what happened and the filming of it, I think that is up to a jury to decide whether it is meaningful or means something or not. Putting all of those parts together do not hint towards an innocent scenario but we shall see. In no way do we know everything that they have or at least that is true in most cases. And if you take my computer or phone apart, you will find no such things other than the remark I made here about rednecks, etc. Other than that, good luck to anyone with it, I don't think that way nor talk that way and even that was rare for me.

And for former LE in the one case of a McMichaels to do so, is truly not wise imo. Again it is what a jury is for. This case has some serious questions, issues and videos. Not all do, some are mostly hyped but here the videos alone create some serious questions.

It would be nice to keep the thread open. I am not baiting, just stating. And would appreciate the same.

AJC article:

In the recent court filing, prosecutors said they want to introduce into evidence against Travis McMichael a “racial highway video Facebook post,” “a Racial Johnny Rebel Facebook post” and a racial text message, all posted or sent in 2019. They seek to admit into evidence an “Identity Dixie Facebook post” and “Racial Johnny Rebel Facebook post” against Greg McMichael.

They also want to introduce unspecified racist messages extracted from Bryan’s cellphone. At a bond hearing in July, lead prosecutor Jesse Evans said Bryan repeatedly used the n-word in texts that contain “a ton of filth.”

GBI agent Richard Dial also previously testified that Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael say the expletive-laden epithet, “f---ing n-word,” as he stood over the dying Arbery.

This is more than just a bit and more than just one of them. Then there is the fact the guy who claims he was not involved filmed everything and allegedly helped box Arbery in and possibly even struck him with his vehicle. I say possibly as it is all thus far allegations, etc., albeit based on some evidence.

I just posted today about a man who went to prison and about the "Castle Law" and those he shot entered his home and broke a window to do so. He got life and he was on his own property, they broke the law and decided to illegally enter. All were white. No race card there. It most definitely needs discussion and is controversial, however, in this case, no such thing was going on... Arbery did not enter or break into any of their homes. In the case i just mentioned two people did do exactly that.
 

Howell

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In all fairness, we have not seen the posts, texts, etc. So I don't think anyone can say. There are more than just the camera man's per the AJC article. And it sounds as if there are some that are quite something on which detail has not been provided, at least to the public. The McMichaels have some things as well. And when you take that with what happened and the filming of it, I think that is up to a jury to decide whether it is meaningful or means something or not. Putting all of those parts together do not hint towards an innocent scenario but we shall see. In no way do we know everything that they have or at least that is true in most cases. And if you take my computer or phone apart, you will find no such things other than the remark I made here about rednecks, etc. Other than that, good luck to anyone with it, I don't think that way nor talk that way and even that was rare for me.

And for former LE in the one case of a McMichaels to do so, is truly not wise imo. Again it is what a jury is for. This case has some serious questions, issues and videos. Not all do, some are mostly hyped but here the videos alone create some serious questions.

It would be nice to keep the thread open. I am not baiting, just stating. And would appreciate the same.

AJC article:

In the recent court filing, prosecutors said they want to introduce into evidence against Travis McMichael a “racial highway video Facebook post,” “a Racial Johnny Rebel Facebook post” and a racial text message, all posted or sent in 2019. They seek to admit into evidence an “Identity Dixie Facebook post” and “Racial Johnny Rebel Facebook post” against Greg McMichael.

They also want to introduce unspecified racist messages extracted from Bryan’s cellphone. At a bond hearing in July, lead prosecutor Jesse Evans said Bryan repeatedly used the n-word in texts that contain “a ton of filth.”

GBI agent Richard Dial also previously testified that Bryan told investigators he heard Travis McMichael say the expletive-laden epithet, “f---ing n-word,” as he stood over the dying Arbery.


This is more than just a bit and more than just one of them. Then there is the fact the guy who claims he was not involved filmed everything and allegedly helped box Arbery in and possibly even struck him with his vehicle. I say possibly as it is all thus far allegations, etc., albeit based on some evidence.

I just posted today about a man who went to prison and about the "Castle Law" and those he shot entered his home and broke a window to do so. He got life and he was on his own property, they broke the law and decided to illegally enter. All were white. No race card there. It most definitely needs discussion and is controversial, however, in this case, no such thing was going on... Arbery did not enter or break into any of their homes. In the case i just mentioned two people did do exactly that.
Fair enough, but then let's examine the connotation of "redneck". Isn't that arguably a racial slur itself? Surely you've never referred to a non-white as a redneck.
 

GrandmaBear

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Fair enough, but then let's examine the connotation of "redneck". Isn't that arguably a racial slur itself? Surely you've never referred to a non-white as a redneck.
Examining that would sidetrack the thread. I think a person could swap out non-white and still have a redneck yes. Have I referred to anyone else as one? I don't think so but that includes whites as well, only here did I do so, again, it is not something I typically do/say. I could say more but again, it has nothing to do with discussing the case really and we covered this quite heavily some time back so I am not avoiding it and never have.

Let's leave it at that, I am not on trial, they are and this thread just opened back up. I also have no dead men around me that I had anything to do with and you won't find the term, I don't believe, on my phone or computer except here, and certainly no slurs nor jokes or worse about such I don't think.

To get back to the point, I myself find it a bit meaningful that it sounds as if all three men have such things with Bryan having the most. I also am curious what some of the things, sites, etc. are they mention for these men, but I don't want to search them on my computer as then they will be on mine and no thanks/no way do I want that.

I guess a jury will decide if such has any meaning or they feel it plays into the case and the death. I don't necessarily find it meaningful in and of itself but when one adds a dead man to the mix and the facts surrounding the death, well then, they may have a problem, it is a piece or can be of the overall case being put together.

Quite honestly, I find it very stupid for lack of a better word, to engage in or have such things on your devices nowadays particularly. I feel almost to have them or have such an interest shows quite possibly a type of belief or thought and I would be worried about it were I them, depending on what they say or depict particularly.

Do we all believe all three of these will proceed to trial is a question I have? I tend to think so because I don't see any of the men wanting to face or accept too serious of a charge/sentence in a deal nor do I see the prosecution offering anything too low in such a case. I also feel there is quite a bit of evidence which lends imo the prosecution the stronger case. All may not agree but I see it that way. Therefore, I do believe this will come down to the decision of a jury in each case.
 

Howell

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Examining that would sidetrack the thread. I think a person could swap out non-white and still have a redneck yes. Have I referred to anyone else as one? I don't think so but that includes whites as well, only here did I do so, again, it is not something I typically do/say. I could say more but again, it has nothing to do with discussing the case really and we covered this quite heavily some time back so I am not avoiding it and never have.

Let's leave it at that, I am not on trial, they are and this thread just opened back up. I also have no dead men around me that I had anything to do with and you won't find the term, I don't believe, on my phone or computer except here, and certainly no slurs nor jokes or worse about such I don't think.

To get back to the point, I myself find it a bit meaningful that it sounds as if all three men have such things with Bryan having the most. I also am curious what some of the things, sites, etc. are they mention for these men, but I don't want to search them on my computer as then they will be on mine and no thanks/no way do I want that.

I guess a jury will decide if such has any meaning or they feel it plays into the case and the death. I don't necessarily find it meaningful in and of itself but when one adds a dead man to the mix and the facts surrounding the death, well then, they may have a problem, it is a piece or can be of the overall case being put together.

Quite honestly, I find it very stupid for lack of a better word, to engage in or have such things on your devices nowadays particularly. I feel almost to have them or have such an interest shows quite possibly a type of belief or thought and I would be worried about it were I them, depending on what they say or depict particularly.

Do we all believe all three of these will proceed to trial is a question I have? I tend to think so because I don't see any of the men wanting to face or accept too serious of a charge/sentence in a deal nor do I see the prosecution offering anything too low in such a case. I also feel there is quite a bit of evidence which lends imo the prosecution the stronger case. All may not agree but I see it that way. Therefore, I do believe this will come down to the decision of a jury in each case.
No, you're not on trial but I hope you see my point. I'll repeat my other analogy: If Arbery had been overweight, would a fat joke posted on Facebook offer proof of motive?

If it's meaningful what these defendants have texted and posted on social media, and it should be left for the jury to decide, shouldn't the history of everyone involved be submitted to the jury? Shouldn't we scrutinize everything the prosecutors have ever texted or placed on social media? All of their witnesses, and even the judge, and place that in front of the jury? We can subpoena their college roommates to find out if any of them ever used an anti-white slur like "redneck" or "cracker" or ever told an off-color joke, and just let the jury decide if that's meaningful.
 

GrandmaBear

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No, you're not on trial but I hope you see my point. I'll repeat my other analogy: If Arbery had been overweight, would a fat joke posted on Facebook offer proof of motive?

If it's meaningful what these defendants have texted and posted on social media, and it should be left for the jury to decide, shouldn't the history of everyone involved be submitted to the jury? Shouldn't we scrutinize everything the prosecutors have ever texted or placed on social media? All of their witnesses, and even the judge, and place that in front of the jury? We can subpoena their college roommates to find out if any of them ever used an anti-white slur like "redneck" or "cracker" or ever told an off-color joke, and just let the jury decide if that's meaningful.
I don't know--to me it truly depends on what is on the texts and other media, how much of it, whether it celebrates torture, death or anything else. I do get your point but I also think there are people who may have one fat joke and never another and then there are people who for instance, fictionally, could want to take fat people out of this world and go to do it or would do it.... I am not saying this is the case here, but I believe it comes down to context, again how into or preoccupied they may be with these things and more.

Most of us would not do as these men did. I have not and will not look at the things they refer to on my computer but some of the titles or sites almost sound like chases of black men... Do they not?

I guess I think it is up for a judge to decide, just like a judge decides whether former criminal history can come in for a defendant, sometimes it can, it is not always excluded. I believe it is if the crimes relate or are similar for one isn't it? I am guessing but don't know this is similar in that if it goes to frame of mind, an obsession with such material or thoughts, etc...

I don't know and am not the judge, this is just my guess. A person caught molesting and killing a child and they then find child porn on the man's computer I think one could also liken in a way, not exactly, but again, does it relate? In that kind of a case it most certainly would most likely. In this case, I think that is what is being decided.

It sounds like they have all 3 defendants with some on their devices. To me, that is a bit significant, I don't think people could find 3 people I even know with that kind of thing and these 3 were the ones involved in this. I am sure you will not agree but Bryan filming it also gives me pause in that he had the most of this kind of thing it sounds like, did he plan to share this video in some such group online? I think these are legitimate thoughts... Now one can't try on speculation although they certainly often suggest possibilities in court but I am just saying the thoughts cross my mind...

Another thing that crosses my mind is it strikes me almost like a group of teens playing some killing video game they are all obsessed with and they decide to go out and do it for real...

Whether one likes it or not, this material does and can relate to what happened and it certainly does not help them to have it found and I still think it comes down to what it was, how blatant, how violent, the overall purpose, how much of it and more...

Someone whose husband dies from arsenic and poison searches are found on her computer...

Just thinking of examples, they might not be the proverbial smoking gun, but they certainly could be part of the circumstantial evidence in addition to the bigger evidence like the video...

I am sorry but everything these men did to me was stupid and indicative of a thought they would not be touched. I keep going back to a former law enforcement officer not knowing any better on all sorts of their choices. Thankfully, I don't think MOST of society thinks as they apparently do which is why there are not many examples like what happened here, most people would never do this and to find THREE together that did...?

In my opinion, they are fortunate in some ways because I think there are elements here showing this may have been a plan and they were just waiting for him to show up... It sure just came together with Bryan happening to see them, joining in, and ready to film and help... That, to me, is a bit unbelievable in how that all worked out...

Back though to the original point, what is on the computer, phone, etc., I am no judge but again would guess they have a criteria to follow in deciding whether to let something in for trial or not and appeal is always a concern. With just a guess, it would be the content and context of those things, the beliefs of any groups (if they are in such), the amount, and far more... I think a big one would be if there was anything on there showing anything similar to what happened here... A "hunt", a "chase" with guns, trucks and a death. IF there is anything close to that on their electronics, I think it would be pretty damning...

Jmo.
 

Howell

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Back though to the original point, what is on the computer, phone, etc., I am no judge but again would guess they have a criteria to follow in deciding whether to let something in for trial or not and appeal is always a concern. With just a guess, it would be the content and context of those things, the beliefs of any groups (if they are in such), the amount, and far more... I think a big one would be if there was anything on there showing anything similar to what happened here... A "hunt", a "chase" with guns, trucks and a death. IF there is anything close to that on their electronics, I think it would be pretty damning...

Jmo.
And of course I would agree, as that was my initial point. If(prior to the incident) there's a text saying "Next time he shows up, I'm gonna hunt that n****r down!" or something similar, that should be admitted. I could be wrong, but I don't believe they have anything like that. I think the prosecutor wants to smear the defendants' character by suggesting they're "racist" and that somehow equates to motive.

Again, if we replace Arbery with a white man in the otherwise exact same set of circumstances, would the outcome have been different? I see no reason to think so.
 

Howell

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Most of us would not do as these men did. I have not and will not look at the things they refer to on my computer but some of the titles or sites almost sound like chases of black men... Do they not?
What titles and sites are you referring to? The reports I saw only mentioned a "highway video" post, an "Identity Dixie" Facebook post, a "Johnny Rebel" Facebook post and uses of the "n-word". None of those imply "chases of black men" to me. Are there others?
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
And of course I would agree, as that was my initial point. If(prior to the incident) there's a text saying "Next time he shows up, I'm gonna hunt that n****r down!" or something similar, that should be admitted. I could be wrong, but I don't believe they have anything like that. I think the prosecutor wants to smear the defendants' character by suggesting they're "racist" and that somehow equates to motive.

Again, if we replace Arbery with a white man in the otherwise exact same set of circumstances, would the outcome have been different? I see no reason to think so.
It is hard to say what they have. I don't know the points of law a judge has to go by to decide if something is admissible. I know I have seen like with say, prior crimes, if a prior crime has a similar pattern or method the killer uses (or signature for instance), that can allow prior criminal history to be brought in. I do wonder what the rules are on admissibility of these things and perhaps there is no real issue, they legally searched their electronics and these things were on there... And perhaps it is simply up to a jury to decide if they mean anything?

I think a lot of times it comes back to the laws that perhaps you (and at times I as well--various laws) disagree with. What bothers me is that all three apparently had similar things I find a bit significant. I truly do wish I knew more about admissibility and the weight which can be given such things.

We don't know the content but I can see where, depending on content, how much and more, it could show a way of thinking... I was just thinking of this in an opposite way, let's say no such things were found on their devices and INSTEAD evidence was found that they help or contribute to black causes for instance and donate time to help say at risk black youth or some such. I am pretty sure a defense attorney would use that in favor of the defendant or want to to show they have no racist way of thinking. It would be used to show character and more. Right or no?

As far as your last statement/question, we have been there before. I doubt we would entirely agree but I guess we will never know anyhow and can only have our opinions and who knows which of any of us are correct?

It definitely is a case that naturally brings questions and discussion.
 

GrandmaBear

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What titles and sites are you referring to? The reports I saw only mentioned a "highway video" post, an "Identity Dixie" Facebook post, a "Johnny Rebel" Facebook post and uses of the "n-word". None of those imply "chases of black men" to me. Are there others?
Since I don't go near such things and have not looked them up, I don't know. What is a highway video post? I don't think some average highway video would be considered racist so there must be something to it? What is the "Rebel" thing? That pretty much was my point is what are these things, what do they depict and what do they have? They also say there are unspecified racial texts/messages of Bryan.
 

Howell

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Since I don't go near such things and have not looked them up, I don't know. What is a highway video post? I don't think some average highway video would be considered racist so there must be something to it? What is the "Rebel" thing? That pretty much was my point is what are these things, what do they depict and what do they have? They also say there are unspecified racial texts/messages of Bryan.
I don't know what a "highway video" is. I assume Identity Dixie and Johnny Rebel are Facebook pages related to "southern pride". But you said some of the sites/titles sound like "chases of black men". Do you mean the "highway video"?
 

GrandmaBear

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I don't know what a "highway video" is. I assume Identity Dixie and Johnny Rebel are Facebook pages related to "southern pride". But you said some of the sites/titles sound like "chases of black men". Do you mean the "highway video"?
That is the one that made me wonder yes. Just a generic sounding "highway video" did not sound like something racist nor any reason existing for wanting it so I figured there is more to it or a better word would be that I "wonder" not "figure". The fact that it was no more descriptive than "highway video" I found odd. However, to be honest, I don't know. I just know I don't know what any of them are. Then I also wonder about the other things they have not detailed found on Bryan's phone I think it was.

I also do not think the Dixie and Rebel are likely only southern pride or again they would not consider it racist I would not think, I am guessing there is more to it or particular posts from a group or that they posted. Are they groups? There again though, I don't know and don't plan to look them up.

Clearly, there are things we don't know and won't until things progress through the court process I guess.
 

Howell

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That is the one that made me wonder yes. Just a generic sounding "highway video" did not sound like something racist nor any reason existing for wanting it so I figured there is more to it or a better word would be that I "wonder" not "figure". The fact that it was no more descriptive than "highway video" I found odd. However, to be honest, I don't know. I just know I don't know what any of them are. Then I also wonder about the other things they have not detailed found on Bryan's phone I think it was.

I also do not think the Dixie and Rebel are likely only southern pride or again they would not consider it racist I would not think, I am guessing there is more to it or particular posts from a group or that they posted. Are they groups? There again though, I don't know and don't plan to look them up.

Clearly, there are things we don't know and won't until things progress through the court process I guess.
Well, I don't want to get political or off-topic, but you may be a bit out of touch with today's definition of "racist" if you think this. The Confederate flag is considered "racist". Monuments of Southern heroes which have been in place for over a hundred years have been removed because they are viewed as "racist". Southern culture, heritage and pride are now equated with "racism".
 

GrandmaBear

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Well, I don't want to get political or off-topic, but you may be a bit out of touch with today's definition of "racist" if you think this. The Confederate flag is considered "racist". Monuments of Southern heroes which have been in place for over a hundred years have been removed because they are viewed as "racist". Southern culture, heritage and pride are now equated with "racism".
I understand that perfectly. I purposely stayed away from the confederacy issue. I have friends who are proud of being southern and of the flag who are in no way racist. I also know about the monuments and I think little of those that do that. So I am not out of touch and I think things swing or go too far sometimes. Without a doubt.

So I stayed away from that conversation, however, what I did say was it truly depends on what they were posting, sharing, etc. Southern pride is one thing but we need to know, and don't know to my knowledge, what they have found there that they involved themselves in. Again I know nothing of these groups or pages and maybe they are benign but all members are not, I have no idea. Are they just a page? Are they a forum with different areas in it? I have no idea.

So no, I am not out of touch, I know exactly what you are talking about. If there is nothing in these groups that is racist, and they posted nor said anything racist in them, then I agree, they don't mean much or it wouldn't to me anyhow.
 

Howell

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I understand that perfectly. I purposely stayed away from the confederacy issue. I have friends who are proud of being southern and of the flag who are in no way racist. I also know about the monuments and I think little of those that do that. So I am not out of touch and I think things swing or go too far sometimes. Without a doubt.

So I stayed away from that conversation, however, what I did say was it truly depends on what they were posting, sharing, etc. Southern pride is one thing but we need to know, and don't know to my knowledge, what they have found there that they involved themselves in. Again I know nothing of these groups or pages and maybe they are benign but all members are not, I have no idea. Are they just a page? Are they a forum with different areas in it? I have no idea.

So no, I am not out of touch, I know exactly what you are talking about. If there is nothing in these groups that is racist, and they posted nor said anything racist in them, then I agree, they don't mean much or it wouldn't to me anyhow.
But again, what is "racist"? Who determines that? And what if they did say something "racist" on a Facebook post 2 months ago? That has nothing to do with this case. Being "racist" is not criminal. Even if the state could prove that these defendants hated blacks, they would still have to prove that their actions were specifically motivated by such hate. Is there even a single fact to indicate that they chased Arbery simply because he was black? I haven't heard anything to date which suggests that.
 

GrandmaBear

‘We Have Nothing to Fear Except Fear Itself'
But again, what is "racist"? Who determines that? And what if they did say something "racist" on a Facebook post 2 months ago? That has nothing to do with this case. Being "racist" is not criminal. Even if the state could prove that these defendants hated blacks, they would still have to prove that their actions were specifically motivated by such hate. Is there even a single fact to indicate that they chased Arbery simply because he was black? I haven't heard anything to date which suggests that.
I am not going to argue nor does anyone want the thread shut down. I get your point. We are not the lawmakers nor the judge and there was a time I don't think hate crimes were a thing as far as a charge under a hate crime law.

I think like I often do that argument is with the system or the laws. Also, I guess that is why there is a judge and a jury to assess the information or to allow or not allow it in.

And then, of course, we never know what they know, the prosecutor, the defense attorney, LE, etc.

As you say, you have not heard anything to date that suggests that but we also don't know everything they have nor what they know.

I would not want to be in their shoes but then again I would not have done as they did. I guess they are going to have to trust a jury and leave it to their defense attorneys.

You know, there are tons of cases alleged against LE using brutality or shooting someone unarmed, etc. but you have to admit (well you don't, up to you) that this case is not exactly one that can be compared to much because people just don't do this. Most would not, it was not their home, they were not threatened, etc. It can't be compared to even those kinds of cases.

As far again as what is racist and the things found on devices, I don't know. It is true in most crimes these days that a common warrant is computers, phones, etc. What you have on them may mean nothing IF you are never accused of anything but if you are, those things can take on a different meaning or it can be looked at that way when put together with everything else. I don't know how many times I have seen someone on these crimes sites say if they are ever accused of a murder, their searches on these cases for things related to say chloroform in the Casey Anthony Case, how to clean up blood, etc. would be really incriminating when they are just researching because they follow crimes.... Poison, etc. The dark web... Etc.

That is as far as I am going to go with it. I do not see every case the same and I do think the race thing is often abused too far the other way. Not every case where someone black dies is a race case, no doubt, or for that matter, any race, that I can agree with.
 

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Suspect in Ahmaud Arbery case wants bail — like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor cops​

A suspect in the Georgia shooting death of unarmed black jogger Ahmaud Arbery says it’s “manifestly unjust” that he’s being held without bail while cops accused in the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Rayshard Brooks are all walking free.<snip>
 

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What to expect in the next hearing in Ahmaud Arbery murder case​

GLYNN COUNTY, Ga. – The three South Georgia men accused of felony murder in the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old black man, will go back before a judge next Thursday to ask to be released from jail. <snip>
An exhibit from a previous bond hearing for Bryan shows 22 pages worth of messages from Bryan’s phone where he repeatedly used racial slurs.

In one message from January 2019 Bryan wrote: “Working so all the n****** can take off! Happy MLK day!”

Cobb County Assistant District Attorney, and lead prosecutor on the Arbery case, Jesse Evans said the evidence of racial messages is relevant because of an ongoing federal investigation. <snip>
 

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Suspect in Ahmaud Arbery case wants bail — like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor cops
A suspect in the Georgia shooting death of unarmed black jogger Ahmaud Arbery says it’s “manifestly unjust” that he’s being held without bail while cops accused in the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Rayshard Brooks are all walking free.<snip>
The cases hardly compare. None of these three men were cops carrying out a duty nor responding to a call, etc. I do agree bond varies widely by state and crime and even judge but so do the risks, the facts and the circumstances of each case and defendant.

As for Breonna Taylor, that just recently came back from the Grand Jury and no one was charged with anything even remotely similar at this point. It does not compare whatsoever. A man in the apartment was allegedly armed and he fired. They were not chasing an unarmed person down the street as were these three men who again are not cops. LE was on duty serving a warrant issued by a judge. Texas.

As for George Floyd, a call was made for officers to respond. There is evidence it appears on video that George did resist arrest, LE's actions, hold and continued actions and length of same are in question. No comparison, officers were responding to a call for a valid reason placed by a citizen. Minnesota.

Rayshard Brooks is their state, Georgia. Again, a cop responding to a call placed for a valid reason. The suspect resisted and took the cop's Taser, no comparison at all. Georgia.

All with different circumstances. The first line above "Suspect in Ahmaud Arbery case wants bail--like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor Cops". He is NOT a cop. The cases are not the same. Three different states and three different sets of circumstances, this case would make four sets but it does not belong--the other three were LE on the job who at least at the outset "were required to be there" or respond by their job/duty, not some self named and appointed law and order or vigilantes, it does not relate or compare.

They could compare it to cases where there are no murder charges of any kind and the defendants are held without bond so on that basis, the opposite argument could be made.

The only comparison at all would be if all are about race and it is interesting that Bryon or his attorney now want to make it that way when it suits. I don't see a single case that compares to three citizens chasing an unarmed man who is on foot and taking firearms along and more than one vehicle in an apparent self-appointed posse.

The comparison of these three to cops is ludicrous and yet one keeps seeing it come up on occasion.

In Breonna again, serving a warrant and allegedly a shot made at them, so they were under fire and they were there for a reason.

The other two cases, citizens called for LE and this is who these three men are in this case, citizens, not cops, you call LE if you think there is a reason. Floyd is the least comparable for many reasons. Rayshard Brooks is probably the closest but it is not comparable either. This was a cop who responded to a call, the guy took his Taser and tased him and was trying to get away.

How do any of these compare to three men with firearms and vehicles chasing one unarmed man on foot? Men that are not cops? Most people would call them loose cannons and this would be one good reason right there to argue for no bond. They were not in the right to begin with, they were not in peril, they were not outnumbered, they were not on foot. Arbery was.

All jmo.
 

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Suspect in Ahmaud Arbery case wants bail — like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor cops​

A suspect in the Georgia shooting death of unarmed black jogger Ahmaud Arbery says it’s “manifestly unjust” that he’s being held without bail while cops accused in the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Rayshard Brooks are all walking free.<snip>
This just proves his arrogance, IMO.
 
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